Sitting of 16 May 1838

MINUTES.
Petitions presented. By Mr. HODGES, from Southampton and other places, for Amendment of the Poor-law system—By Mr. SCHOLEFIELD, from the Town Council of Birmingham, by Mr. DIVETT, from Exmouth, and by Sir JAMES GRAHAM, from a place in Cumberland, for the Immediate Abolition of Negro Slavery.—By Mr. WALLACE, from Ayr, and other places, praying for a reduction of Postage; also from the Pressmen of Mr. Moyes's Printing Establishment, in Castle-street, Leicester-square, against the Copyright Bill.—By Mr. HUME, from Blackrock, in the Diocese of Ossory, for the Abolition of Tithes, and the reduction of the Church Establishment in Ireland.

SMALL DEBTS (SCOTLAND.)
Sir W. Raemoved the order of the day for the House to resolve itself into a committee on the Small Debts (Scotland) Bill.
Mr. Wallaceopposed the motion. The jurisdiction at present worked well, and he was against raising it. He objected also to the division of counties into districts, because the judges might then delegate their power to clerks of the courts and others. It was a prevalent and vicious practice for clerks of the courts to be the legal advisers of the parties. The hon. Mover must know the incompetence of the Scotch justices of the peace to do the duty which he proposed to impose upon them. He would move, as au amend-

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ment, that the bill be committed on that day six months.
Amendment withdrawn.
House went into committee.
The Lord Advocatemoved an amendment on the second clause, the effect of which was to leave the amount of the jurisdiction as it at present stood at 5l., instead of raising it, as proposed in the bill, to 8l. 6s. 8d.
The Committee divided on the original clause:—Ayes 60; Noes 40: Majority 20.

List of the AYES.

Acland, T. D.

Hepburn, Sir T. B.

Arbuthnot, hon. H.

Herries, rt. hon. J. C.

Bagge, W.

Hinde, J. H.

Bailey, J.

Hodgson. R.

Baillie, Colonel

Holmes, R.

Blackstone, W. S.

Houstoun, G.

Blair, J.

Hughes. W. B.

Boldero, H. G.

Jones, J.

Broadley, H.

Lockhart, A. M.

Brownrigg, S.

Mackenzie, T.

Burrell, Sir G.

Meynell, Captain

Chandos, Marquess of

Morgan, C. M. R.

Clerk, Sir G.

Nicholl, J.

Cole, Viscount

Parker, R. T.

Dalrymple, Sir A.

Perceval, hon. G. J.

Eastnor, Viscount

Rolleston, L.

Egerton, W. T.

Round, C. G.

Ellis, J.

Round, J.

Estcourt, T.

Sheppard, T.

Estcourt, T.

Sinclair, Sir G.

Farnham, E. B.

Somerset, Lord G.

Fitzroy, hon. H.

Stewart, J.

Fleming, J.

Stuart, J.

Forester, hon. G.

Verner, Colonel

Gaskell, J. M.

Waddington, H. S.

Gordon, hon. Captain

Wood, T.

Gore, O. W.

Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.

Graham, rt. hon. Sir J.

Yorke, hon. E. T.

Grimsditch, T.

Hardinge, rt. hn. Sir H.

TELLERS.

Hawkes, T.

Rae, Sir W.

Henniker, Lord

Pringle, A.

List of the NOES.

Abercromby, hn. G. R.

Fort, J.

Aglionby, H. A.

Hall, B.

Aglionby, Major

Hector, C. J.

Alston, R.

Hume, J.

Archbold, R.

Hutton, R.

Barnard, E. G.

Lister, E. C.

Barry, G. S.

Lushington, C.

Brotherton, J.

Macleod, R.

Campbell, Sir J.

Murray, rt. hon. J. A.

Chalmers, P.

O'Brien, C.

Collier, J.

Parrott, J.

Courtenay, P.

Pechell, Captain

Craig, W. G.

Scholefield, J.

Davies, Colonel

Smith, B.

Dennistoun, J.

Stanley, E. J.

Duff, J.

Stewart, J.

Elliot, hon, J. E.

Thornely, T.

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Vigors, N. A.

Williams, W.

Villiers, C. P.

Wallace, R.

TELLERS.

Warburton, H.

Maule, hon. F.

Wemyss, J. E.

Gillon, W. D.

Clause agreed to.
Mr. WallaceMoved, on the third clause, that it be taken into consideration that day six months.
The Committee divided again on the original motion:—Ayes 75; Noes 14; Majority 61.

List of the AYES.

Abercromby, hn. G. R.

Henniker, Lord

Aglionby, H. A.

Hepburne, Sir T. B.

Alston, R.

Hinde, J. H.

Arbuthnot, hon. H.

Hodgson, R.

Archbold, Robert

Holmes, W.

Bagge, W.

Houston, G.

Bailey, J.

Hughes, W. B.

Baillie, Colonel

Jones, J.

Barrington, Viscount

Lefroy, rt. hon. T.

Blackstone, W. S.

Lister, E. C.

Blair, J.

Lockhart, A. M.

Boldero, H. G.

Mackenzie, T.

Broadley, H.

Macleod, R.

Brotherton, J.

Maule, hon. F.

Brownrigg, S.

Morgan, C. M. R.

Burrell, Sir C.

Murray, rt. hn. J. A.

Campbell, Sir J.

Nicholl, J.

Chandos, Marquess of

Parker, R. T.

Cole, Viscount

Perceval, hon. G. J.

Courtenay, P.

Rae, rt. hon. Sir W.

Craig, W. G.

Rolleston, L.

Dalrymple, Sir A.

Round, G. G.

Davies, Colonel

Round, J.

Duff, J.

Scholefield, J.

Eastnor, Viscount

Sheppard, T.

Egerton, W. T.

Sinclair, Sir G.

Estcourt, T.

Somerset, Sir G.

Estcourt, T.

Stanley, E. J.

Farnham, E. B.

Stewart, J.

Fitzroy, hon. H.

Stewart, J.

Fleming, J.

Verner, Colonel

Forester, hon. G.

Waddington, H. S.

Gaskell, J. Milnes

Warburton, H.

Gordon, hon. Captain

Wood, T.

Gore, O.

Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.

Graham, rt. hn. Sir J.

Yorke, hon. E. T.

Grimsditch, T.

TELLERS.

Hall, B.

Clerk, Sir G.

Hawkes, T.

Pringle, A.

List of the NOES.

Aglionby, Major

Thorneley, T.

Chalmers, P.

Vigors, N. A.

Dennistoun, J.

Villiers, Charles P.

Hector, C. J.

Wemyss, J. E.

Hume, J.

Williams, W.

Lushington, C.

Parrott, J.

TELLERS.

Pechell, Captain

Wallace, R.

Smith, B.

Gillon, W. D.

On clause 18,
Mr. Chalmersmoved, that it be omitted, because he thought it gave too great a power to the magistrates presiding in the small courts.
The Committee divided on the original motion:—Ayes 55; Noes 10; Majority 45.

List of the AYES.

Abercromby, hn. G. R.

Grimsditch, T.

Alston, R.

Hawkes, T.

Arbuthnot, hon. H.

Hepburn, Sir T. B.

Bagge, W.

Houston, G.

Barrington, Viscount

Hughes, W. B.

Blackstone, W. S.

Hume, J.

Blair, J.

Lister, E. C.

Boldero, H. G.

Lockhart, A. M.

Broadley, H.

Mackenzie, F.

Brownrigg, S.

Mackenzie, W. F.

Campbell, W. F.

Macleod, R.

Chandos, Marquess of

Maule, hon. F.

Codrington, C. W.

Nicholl, J.

Cole, Viscount

Pakington, J. S.

Courtenay, P.

Parker, R. T.

Craig, W. G.

Perceval, hon. G. J.

Darby, G.

Rae, rt. hon. Sir W.

Davies, Colonel

Richards, R.

Duncombe, hon. W.

Rolleston, L.

Duff, J.

Round, C. G.

Eastnor, Viscount

Sinclair, Sir G.

Estcourt, T.

Smith, B.

Estcourt, T.

Somerset, Lord G.

Fitzroy, hon. H.

Wood, T.

Forester, hon. G.

Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.

Fremantle, Sir T.

Yorke, hon. E. T.

Gaskell, J. M.

TELLERS.

Gordon, hon. Captain

Clerk, sir G.

Graham, rt. hn. Sir J.

Pringle, A.

List of the NOES.

Aglionby, H. A.

Vigors, N. A.

Aglionby, Major

Warburton, H.

Chalmers, P.

Wemyss, J. E.

Dennistoun, J.

Pechell, Captain

TELLERS.

Stewart, J.

Wallace, R.

Thorneley, T.

Gillon, W. D.

Remaining clauses agreed to; the House resumed; and the bill, as amended, was ordered to be printed.