Sitting of 6 February 1834

MINUTES.
Bills. Read a first time:—Turnpike Roads Continuation; Factories Act Amendment; and Recovery and Possession of Lands.
Petitions presented. By Mr. POTTER, from John Adams, for the Abolition of the National Debt.—By Mr. A. JOHNSTONE,: from St. Andrew's, respecting Church Patronage (Scotland).—By Mr. EVANS, from Doneraile, for the Abolition of Tithes.—By Mr. EWART, from Liverpool, for an Alteration of the Law for Rating Small Tenements; and by Viscount PALMERSTON, from Dissenters at Rumsey, for a Redress of Grievances.

ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.
The Speaker acquainted the House, that he had received his Majesty's most gracious Answer to the Address of that House, which was as follows:—
"I thank you for your loyal and dutiful Address.
"I rely with confidence on the readiness which you express to provide such supplies as may be necessary to support the honour of my Crown and the interests of my dominions.
"I receive also with the greatest satisfaction the renewal of your assurance, that you will co-operate with me, in support of the determination which I have expressed to preserve inviolate the legislative union between Great Britain and Ireland; and I shall feel it my duty to co-operate with you in such legislative improvements as may be necessary to remove any grievances under which any portion of my subjects may be labouring."
The Address and Answer were ordered to be printed.

BREACH OF PRIVILEGE—CHARACTER OF IRISH MEMBERS.
Mr. O'Connellrose to direct the attention of the House to a breach of its privileges, and, after what had passed last night, it required very serious and deliberate investigation. It seemed to him generally understood, that the House had exercised its jurisdiction over two individual Members; and that the House had itself attached the matter then in controversy, which it was competent both to investigate and to redress. It was exceedingly desirable, that the characters of Members in the performance of their parliamentary duty should be ascertained—that the individuals might meet reproach if they deserved reproach, and confidence if they deserved confidence. He was himself, and so was his hon. and learned friend, the member for Tipperary, exceedingly anxious that an investigation

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of the facts should take place in a manner the most complete and satisfactory; and if there were any doubt in his mind as to the mode of proceeding, it arose out of the difficulty of bringing the subject within the rules of the House as much as was practicable or possible. He was quite ready in this respect to adopt any course which might be suggested by persons of greater experience, and whose feelings were not, like his, necessarily interested. He should be glad to avail himself of any aid that could be given by individuals who were able to maintain neutrality. For the present, his hon. and learned friend the member for Tipperary, and others were accused parties; they had been accused in no very measured language, for any language was extremely comprehensive which imputed deliberate treachery as between Members of the House and their constituents. For such a purpose it was not necessary to use vituperative terms; and certainly no man would deserve to be a Member who did not feel the deepest anxiety for the most prompt, efficacious, and honourable vindication of his character before a tribunal above the possibility of suspicion. As his own experience could not direct him in the proper course, he threw himself on the indulgence of the House, if he mistook the manner in which it was fit, in such a case, to proceed. He had last night read in a newspaper an extract from a speech attributed to the hon. member for Hull, and delivered at a public meeting in that town; and he did not know, that he could bring it before the House in any other shape than by considering the publication a breach of privilege. It was more particularly a breach of privilege, because the language attributed to the hon. member for Hull was not admitted by him to be that which he employed; on the contrary, a most important portion was different from what he uttered. He alluded emphatically to the secret machinery by which votes in this House were said to be procured. The speech attributed to only one individual this species of duplicity in his communication with Ministers. That part of the accusation had been disclaimed by the noble Lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer: he denied that any such communication had been made to a Cabinet Minister. He (Mr. O'Connell) adopted this as the only basis that he knew of on which to found an inquiry. He was anxious that the inquiry
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should not be limited, but should be as extensive as possible; and it was the more necessary as the hon. member for Hull, as he understood, had given a kind of pledge to prove the fact he had asserted. He wished that hon. Member (Mr. Hill) to have the fullest opportunity of proving the fact. Therefore, he took the publication in the newspaper as the basis of the inquiry; and, speaking under correction, he wished a Committee of Privileges to be appointed to investigate the matter. After having so referred the question, he proposed to extend the powers of the Committee, so as to include every mode and shape in which the accusation could possibly affect the integrity of his excellent, honorable and esteemed friend, the member for Tipperary. The publication to which he alluded was, The Examiner newspaper, of the 10th November; and he meant, that the clerk should first read the passage, and then that the whole should be referred to a Committee of Privileges, to ascertain the facts, and report upon them to the House. First he should content himself by moving, that the paragraph be read.
Mr. Secretary Stanley,before the paper was read at the Table, wished to ask, whether the House, by the act of reading it, would be bound to take any consequent steps with regard to the printer or publisher? If that were not the case, he should have no objection to the reading by the clerk, as a preliminary to any motion the hon. and learned Gentleman might wish to make. If it were the case, he took the earliest opportunity of stating unhesitatingly, that he should object to the preliminary Motion.
The Speakersaid, that the reading of the paragraph would not necessarily commit the House to any proceedings against the printer, unless, upon the reading, it should be further determined, that the paragraph contained matter which the House, having noticed, would be bound, in vindication of its privileges, to visit with its displeasure or punishment.
Mr. Secretary Stanleysaid, that, after the explanation they had heard from the Chair, he did hope the House would take no step in this matter without due deliberation upon the consequences which that step might involve. It was impossible for any person, who heard the painful discussion of last night, not to have entertained the deepest regret at what then

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occurred; and it was quite as impossible for them not to see, that there was no escape from the difficulties in which they were now involved, without some further proceedings to be hereafter determined on by the House. He owned, that it had been to him a subject of deep regret, and he had stated it at once to his noble friend, that his noble friend should have felt himself called upon, although by a high sense of honour and feeling which no man could fail to appreciate, to give a public answer in that House to the questions put to him on such a matter. And, although he intended to attach no blame to any quarter, he must yet say how much he regretted, that, at an earlier period of the debate, the authority of the House had not been interposed to arrest its progress. But those regrets were now unavailing, and he thought it must be evident to every man who heard him, that the course they might take in the difficult situation in which they were now involved, would create a precedent that must hereafter have a very considerable influence, not only upon the private comforts of society, but also upon the conduct of public men in the discharge of their public duties. He held, that the House of Commons might, not only for the protection of its own privileges, but for many other purposes where the public interest demanded it, exercise powers almost inquisitorial. Yet he must say, that there was no subject to which he should be inclined to apply those powers with so much of shrinking caution, or with so deep a reluctance as one involving the introduction of private conversation into matters of public discussion. He implored the House to contemplate the effects of such a course. Not only would the freedom of debate in that House be impeded by it—not only should they thereby be hanging a clog upon their tongues by which to prevent the free exercise of the right of speech from the fear of dropping some unguarded expression; but also, throughout private society, distrust and reserve would take the place of candour and of the good feelings resulting from social confidence in their daily intercourse. It must throw a lurking suspicion into all their transactions with each other most unfavourable to the character of the House in its public capacity, and, he might say, degrading to their characters as Gentlemen in private. He felt this most deeply, and, therefore, he
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implored the House not to let it escape their due consideration in determining upon the course they were about to adopt. For, however much he deplored the circumstances, he could not deny that, after so much had been allowed to pass, after the question had been permitted to be asked, and after the answer which had been given by his noble friend, the hon. and learned member for Tipperary, in vindication of his own honour and character, had a right to call upon the House to set aside all technicalities and forms, and after they had guarded, as much as possible, against the danger of leaving the case as a precedent for future proceedings, to claim at their hands a further and full investigation. One word more as to the peculiar position in which the House was placed. The House had interposed in this matter in vindication of its own dignity, and had thereby taken the whole matter into its exclusive jurisdiction. Therefore, whatever result might attend the proceedings to be instituted by the House, this, at least, he trusted the House would understand, and would expect it to be understood by every Gentleman the more nearly he should be personally implicated, that the matter being so taken within the jurisdiction of the House, was not again to be taken into other hands. He trusted he should be forgiven for putting this broad construction upon the engagement into which two Gentlemen had been compelled, by the authority of the House, to enter. He trusted, that that engagement would be held to have been imposed, not upon those two Gentlemen alone, but any other Gentlemen who might think themselves implicated in any accusations that had been made; and that, whatever should be the acts or decision of the House, that decision should be final and satisfactory. If, therefore, he hesitated to adopt the proposition of the hon. and learned Member, it was not from a wish to debar any Gentleman from the fullest means of vindicating his character in the sight of the House. Nor did he wish to debar any Gentleman from tendering his personal evidence in the question upon any facts within his knowledge. But what he desired to do was this: upon a question of so much delicacy, affecting the character of individual Members, and involving consequences so deeply important to the House and to society, he was anxious to recommend the House to take no immedi-

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ate step. Atleast the delay of two or three—of three or four days—could not be too much to allow temporary excitement to subside, and the House could then seriously deliberate and discuss what might be the best mode—what the fittest tribunal—for ascertaining the truth, and what ought to be the specific limits of the accusation, and of the questions to be submitted to that tribunal. He gave no opinion upon the course taken by the hon. and learned Gentleman further than this—that he intreated the House not without notice, and not without sufficient grounds, to come to any determination as to the mode in which the investigation should take place. He would not suggest one moment's delay, hurtful as it might be to the feelings of the hon. and learned Member (Mr. Sheil), if he did not think that proceeding with deliberation was of paramount importance. There was one further consideration which he hoped the hon. and learned Gentleman would forgive him for stating. It was most important that it should be fully understood what was the charge, and to what extent the answer must apply. The hon. and learned member for Tipperary had made a declaration last night in that House in the most formal and solemn manner it was possible for any man to adopt. He had not forgotten it, nor would the House forget it; and he trusted, that the House would feel that the word of a Member so pledged before his country was the most strictly binding asseveration that could be uttered. Therefore the hon. and learned Gentleman should well know the charge, in order that he might adapt to it the limits of his denial. He would not anticipate what that denial would amount to—he was aware of the extreme difficulty of speaking upon the subject—he hardly knew how to word what he had to say without hurting individual feelings—but if that denial should not be fully and entirely supported, or rather if the denial given last night should be set aside, he prayed the House seriously and deliberately to consider to what further steps it might lead. He wished only to impress upon Members the deep importance of the question. It was of importance to the character of the hon. and learned Gentleman—of importance to the character of the House. When once the House had determined, in some shape or other, to enter upon the investigation, it ought to feel what might possibly be
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the awful consequences of the result. He was sure he should be pardoned if he should inadvertently hurt any Gentleman's feelings; a deep sense of duty impelled him to request hon. Gentlemen for a short time to suspend their decision upon the course that ought to be adopted, and to suggest to the hon. and learned Gentleman the fitness of withdrawing the Motion he had made, for the purpose of giving a notice upon the subject for an early day, allowing due time for deliberation.
Mr. O'Connellsaid, that the only thing in the course of the right hon. Gentleman's observations which excited in his mind any portion of surprise, was the supposition that any thing which had fallen from him could be calculated to hurt the feelings of any human being. It was impossible for him or for any man to exaggerate the importance of the inquiry to which they were about to proceed. He wished for deliberation; but deliberation did not preclude determination. He thought it would be more consonant with a deliberative course of procedure, and it would be important, above all to his hon. and learned friend, that they should have before them at once an idea, with something like distinctness, as to the form of the charge and of the nature of the inquiry. He need not say, that there could be no disposition on the part of those who were accused, to limit the scope or nature of the inquiry; there could be no desire with them, but that the investigation should be ample and complete. He therefore thought, that he was not only justified in doing so, but bound to adopt the suggestion of the right hon. Gentleman. Acceding to everything which had fallen from him as to the importance of the subject, and the serious consequences which it involved, the only thing he had to say was, that if any charge could be made it should be at once stated. He meant, that it should be generally specified, in order that the House should know what it was they were to inquire about. The accusation of the Chancellor of the Exchequer had a peculiar feature in it. It not only went beyond the question he put, but it included other individuals besides his hon. and learned friend. Certainly the noble Lord had said more than one; but that might be any number. It could not be less than two, but it might be just forty. He admitted, that the subject had been taken up by the other side of the House

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fairly, and he trusted, that he should be regarded as having no other desire than for a full and impartial inquiry. There appeared to be a difference of opinion between the right hon. Gentleman and the noble Lord opposite; but he hoped they would be prepared to state who were to be the persons charged, and with what offences.
Mr. Secretary Stanleybegged to correct the hon. and learned Gentleman when he said, that there was any difference between him and his noble friend near him. On the part of his noble friend and himself, he declined the application of the hon. and learned Gentleman to be considered public accusers in the case, and therefore he could not give the information the hon. and learned Gentleman desired. The term used by his noble friend was, that certain Members of that House, who spoke against the Coercion Bill used very different language out of the House. He again implored the House to pause, in order that they might have time to take into their serious consideration the steps which it would be proper to adopt before they decided on any direct or final course.
Mr. O'Connellregretted extremely, that from the turn which the Debate had taken it was impossible to go further. Now the matter became involved in much obscurity, even with regard to the charge made. Nothing definite was stated, and he must say, that he had never heard a charge more general, more loose, and more vague. The House would feel with him how painful a situation he stood in in vindicating a Gentleman from a charge that was in its nature so indefinite. Why were they not told of some particular time or place? And as the transaction now assumed quite a different shape, and as now nothing personal referred to his Lordship, why were they not told who it was that reported the conversation, and why did they not hear of some circumstance which would enable them to see their way a little further? There were no particulars given; all was general assertion. He hoped it was not the case with the noble Lord, dolosus versatur in generalibus; but the proverb showed, that the way not to be candid was to deal in generals. The noble Lord in his statement did certainly implicate more Members than one. Now, why should these Gentlemen remain under such an imputation? Surely they, against whom such charges were alleged should
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at once be mentioned; for, whatever difficulty there might be in giving the authority, there could be none in specifying at least one more individual. Therefore he hoped, that the second individual at least, or, if he might be permitted to use the noun of multitude, "individuals," should be distinctly designated.
Question postponed.

BOROUGH OF WARWICK.
Sir Ronald Fergusonmoved, that the issuing of a Writ for the borough of Warwick be suspended until the 17th of March. He had not anticipated any opposition to this Motion until he had heard, unexpectedly, that it was to be opposed by the hon. and learned member for Dover. The course he was taking was similar to that which was pursued on the same subject last Session. He appealed to the House and to the Speaker whether it was not usual to suspend the Writ for any place whilst the conduct of its constituency was a subject of inquiry.
The Speakerunderstood the case to be founded on these circumstances:—A Writ for the borough was suspended on the ground, that a Bill relating to that borough was to be brought into Parliament. That Bill, it was intended should pass, but it was cut short by the prorogation of Parliament. On the re-assembling of Parliament notice was given of the renewal of this Bill; but that circumstance in itself did not necessarily suspend the issuing of the Writ, which must depend upon an order of the House. As far, however, as he could recollect he knew no variance in the practice, which was, that the Writ be postponed until the House should form its judgment whether such Bill should pass or not.
Mr. Halcombesaid, that this course was one which inflicted peculiar hardship upon such of the constituency of Warwick (and they were the vast majority) as were perfectly innocent of all bribery and malpractices. The evidence taken before the Committee, even supposing it to be correct, only proved twenty-one cases of bribery; and surely that was no ground to deprive the whole of the inhabitants of Warwick of the right of representation. The fact was, no case had been made out against the electors of that place; and the object now was, to supply the deficiencies in the former evidence. The Report spoke of "gross bribery and corruption." Now

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what did this gross bribery and corruption amount to? Twenty-one cases only were proved, and proved in every case by the very parties who had taken the bribes. But how were these alleged acts of bribery attempted to be brought home to the noble Earl of Warwick? They were sundry trifling bounties, conferred, to be sure, by subordinate agents of the hon. candidate, who was also the steward of the noble Earl. The receivers of these came from various parts of the country, from the Sister Kingdom of Ireland—and from that of Scotland also; and there were very good grounds to come to the conclusion, that these very parties were traitors, sent into the enemy's camp by the opposite party, for out of these twenty-one cases of bribery, ten were proved to have voted for Messrs. Tomes and King, only eleven supporting Sir Charles Greville. But as to the alleged interference of the noble Earl (the Earl of Warwick) in this election, what evidence bad the House? Had they not the direct testimony of Colonel Stewart and another gallant Officer to the fact, that so far from interfering, the noble Earl positively refused to interfere in any way? They had had instances also proved of persons voting against the noble Earl's supposed interests with perfect impunity, and without molestation. But, he would ask, what need had the noble Earl, or his brother, the hon. Sir Charles Greville, to resort to bribery? The hon. candidate was much beloved by the whole constituency; he had been returned for years without opposition. In 1831, he was opposed by a gentleman totally unknown to the neighbourhood, when the hon. Baronet refused to come forward unless called upon by a requisition from the electors. Such a requisition was immediately and enthusiastically adopted, and was signed by 600 individuals out of a constituency of 1,300. He was opposed by Mr. Tomes and Mr. King. Mr. Tomes was an attorney of that town, and Mr. King a total stranger. On the second day of the election Mr. Tomes, though second on the poll, gave in his resignation, and begged his friends to support Mr. King. Mr. King, it was proved, had paid 1,500 l. into the Bank on account of Mr. Tomes. What bad become of that 1,500 l? He must complain of the term "gross bribery." He must quarrel with the expression. Looking at this evidence
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he could not support this expression of the Committee. He would not accuse the Committee of partiality; they were men of high honour and respectability, and, doubtless, used their best judgment in this case. But be did fear, that the Committee bad been unfortunately influenced by the attorney to whom he had already alluded, and who had jumped up to bring this case before the House. He meant to say nothing offensive of the Gentleman, whom he had known from his youth—he meant Mr. Joseph Parkes, the Secretary to the Municipal Corporation Commission, and the legal adviser to the Birmingham Political Union. The latter circumstance was in this respect connected with the present subject, for the members of the Union had been invited by an inflammatory placard to march into Warwick on the day of the election. He would now call the attention of the House to the recommendation of the Committee on this case. This recommendation was not to the effect, that the elective franchise of the constituents should be suspended, but merely that the recurrence of the alleged malpractices should be prevented for the future by enlarging the limits of the constituency. Now he could quote authority for the fact, that in such cases the House had never interfered to punish the innocent electors of the borough by depriving them of their constitutional and dearly-prized privileges. In the case of the Dublin election in 1831, where gross bribery had really been proved to a great extent, in this case he had the opinion of Sir Robert Inglis and Sir Henry Hardinge that the question of suspending the elective privileges of the constituency should depend entirely upon the recommendation of the Committee. He would now advert to another point in the evidence, which he did with infinite pain. It appeared from this evidence, that the Committee had compelled Mr. Greenway, the banker, to bring forward a statement of the noble Earl's private accounts. Every charitable payment, every private act of kindness, on the part of the noble Earl, was canvassed in the prosecution of this inquiry.
Sir Ronald Ferguson, as Chairman of the Committee in question, begged to correct an inaccuracy in the latter statement. The private accounts of the noble Earl had not been examined by the Committee.
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begged to refer to the whole of the evidence of Mr. Greenway. The private accounts of the noble Earl had been canvassed; and Mr. Brown, his Lordship's steward, had been questioned as to whether such and such sums had not been paid in such and such quarters. As to any sums of money lent to Sir Charles Greville, had not the noble Earl perfect liberty to lend money to his brother if he pleased? There was nothing wrong in that. He would not consult his own feelings only on this case; but he would put it to the sense of the House whether any interference in private matters of this kind were justifiable. Another allegation was, that profuse treating was carried on. Such an allegation should be fully substantiated, in order to warrant the extreme measure recommended by the Committee. But he would maintain, that there was no proof of this treating being carried on in violation of the statute after the teste of the writ, though he would admit, that it was practised before the writ, as was usual in former elections in Warwick and in other places. Where was the distinct proof of treating after the teste of the writ sanctioned or connived at by Sir Charles Greville or his Committee, which alone, be it recollected, would constitute the illegality of the act, and justify the Resolution of the Committee? He contended there was none. Much was said of the lavish expenditure of money by the agents of Sir Charles Greville. But were not 1,500 l. proved to be deposited in a bank by the opposition party, for the purpose of their own treating and largesses? Open house was no doubt kept. But there was no evidence of such extravagance, or of the existence of the practice after the Writ, as would warrant such a sweeping visitation as that proposed. Look to the testimony. One of Sir Charles Greville's Committee was asked, "Did you, as a member of the Committee, put a stop to treating after the Writ was issued?" The witness answered distinctly, and he would say satisfactorily to every dispassionate man—" Yes." This was a fact, and a most material one it was, which the Committee seemed to have lost sight of. The illegality of treating was not proved. Treating, indeed, was proved; but it was only treating before the Writ, not after, which alone could constitute the illegality. There were open houses kept; but were they sanctioned by the Committee? It was proved they were
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not. What did the publicans say? Why, that they kept their houses open merely on their own responsibility, not under the direction of Sir Charles Greville or his agents; and that they had only an expectation of being paid, but no legal claim. Why should the zealous interference of the private friends of a candidate, who were not his accredited agents, be brought forward in damnification of his interests? And more than that, why should he be held responsible for the acts of speculating publicans? No man in that House would be safe if he were held bound by the conduct of every one who chose to speculate upon him. He would next advert to the charge of riots. The Report of the Committee stated, that they originated in the introduction of strangers and day-labourers into the town by the Greville party. True, strangers came to the town. But why? To defend the voters in the interest of Sir Charles Greville, from the Political Unions, who were expected to march to Warwick, to assault and overawe the voters, and to trample under foot the freedom of election. And march they did, with flags flying, and in all the pomp of military procession, bringing terror on the townsmen. Did the Committee forget that fact? Those strangers, as they were called, met them, and an encounter ensued. Who were then the disturbers and the assailants? Was it not clear they were the Unionists, who came to dictate to the voters and control their suffrages? Riots were the ground of disfranchising the electors. Where, he would put it to the candour and justice of the House, did not riots occur? They occurred in Coventry; they occurred in almost every other town; and were those places to be deprived of their high constitutional privileges on that account? He considered it an insult to the common sense and to the justice of the House to found so serious a decision on a fact so customary. Did the Report affix any stigma on the personal conduct of Sir Charles Greville? Far from it. Hear the Report. It stated, that it did not appear to the Committee, that Sir Charles Greville had in any way participated in the proceedings which they condemned, that his character stood as high in their estimation as ever. Then the Report proceeded to say, that it appeared that bribery and the interference of the Earl of Warwick were of old standing. He would put it fairly to the House,

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knowing their respect for the constitutional rights, not to say of the men of Warwick, but of the people at large, whether, if there was not any specific recommendation of disfranchisement, so severe a measure should be sanctioned by the House as the swamping of an entire constituency. Why should Sir Charles Greville be visited with punishment for transgressions which he did not sanction? Why punish the electors of Warwick in the face of the numerous acts of bribery allowed to pass by unpunished in other places? He would mention Dublin. One hundred cases of bribery were clearly made out in the instance of Dublin. He would quote Starfford. These cases were notorious, and clearly proved. Yet these places were to keep their Representatives, and Warwick was to be virtually disfranchised on imperfect evidence of criminality. If there was no extensive corruption carried on (and there was no authority furnished by the evidence for maintaining that there was,) why then should not the Members be suffered to take their seats to attend the investigation into the character of the borough? Certainly, if delinquency were to be punished, the punishment should begin with the greater delinquent, and it was monstrous to fasten on the constituency of a small town while a large one was suffered to riot in its criminality. The sanctioned impunity of one should not be made the condemnation of the other. It was said, the agents were guilty of bribery. Why then not punish the agents? Justice and common sense would point out the expediency of attacking the real criminals, and not making others the victims. If the agents were guilty, why should the Representatives be punished? There were only twenty-one voters in all who were brought within the range of all this corruption. Most of these got small sums to) relieve them in extreme destitution. One had lost his eye-sight, and could not work; the wife of another was just confined; the wife of another got some small thing to relieve her in her distress. Among these bribed voters there were four Irishmen, who it was alleged offered themselves to be bribed. Now, one of these said on his examination, that if he had declared he was bribed, it was a lie. This was the whole case brought before the first Committee. A second Committee was appointed, and yet no additional cases of bribery were made out.
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Were these such grounds as would warrant the House in coming to a decision which in effect disqualified a whole town? He appealed to hon. Members as liberal men, as Reformers, as men who valued constitutional privilege, as men imbued with a sense of justice, to weigh well the whole amount and character of the evidence adduced, and not deprive on such flimsy proof an entire constituency of the valuable privilege of representation. As he had referred to the Earl of Warwick, he thought it right to say, that he had had no communication with the noble Lord. He was solely actuated by a sense of duty and justice. The hon. Member moved an Amendment, that a Writ be issued for the borough of Warwick forthwith.
The Motion found no seconder.
Sir Samuel Whalleysaid, that was not the proper time for inquiring into the delinquency of Warwick. A Committee had been appointed, and had reported; and it would be an insult to the Committee if the House were unwilling to suspend the Writ until the result of the proceeding set on foot were ascertained. If the hon. Member were not the advocate for the people of Warwick, he must say, that at least, he appeared so. It appeared, that it was not one party alone that was guilty of bribery, but all the people of Warwick. The hon. Member said, that 1,500 l. were expended by the other party. If the people of Warwick had not a better advocate than the hon. Member, then he would say, Heaven preserve them from their friends.
Mr. Hardywas surprised at the doctrine of the hon. Member. The hon. Member said, that as there was no proof of treating after the Writ sanctioned by Sir Charles Greville or his Committee, there was, in fact, no treating that came within the provisions of the law. But were not the houses notoriously open for those in his interest after the Writ? Could it be said, that was no illegal treating, when 750 electors were guzzling to the amount of 3,000 l? Common sense would show, that this was treating, and illegal treating too. The Judges, and all conversant with law, knew such to be the fact, had over and over again pronounced this to be bribery. Whatever was done to influence electors was positive bribery. The statute of William discountenanced such a practice. The object of the law was not merely to prevent undue influence, but even expense, The electors should

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go to the poll as they would to elect trustees for their children or property, and it was no mode of preparing them for the calm exercise of such a duty to cram them up to the throat with liquor, and madden them with intemperance. If the borough was to be enlarged, it should be so in consequence of the profligacy of the voters; and if it be done at all, it should be done at once.
The original Motion agreed to, and the Writ ordered to be suspended.

ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.
The Lord Chancellorinformed their Lordships, that his Majesty had been pleased to return a most gracious Answer to their Address, which he would read. The noble Lord read, as follows:—"
My Lords;
"I thank you for your loyal and dutiful Address.
"The assurances which you give me of your fidelity and zeal in the discharge of your important duties, and of your firm resolution to support the established institutions of the State, are such as I expected from you, and are, I am confident, in perfect accordance with the general feeling of my subjects.
"On my part, you may rest satisfied, that I shall never be unmindful of the sacred obligations attached to the station to which the Divine Providence has called me; and that the power thus vested in me will never be employed but for the safety, honour, and welfare of a brave and loyal people, whose liberties, as the surest supports of our national prosperity and greatness, I shall always hold it to be my first duty to protect and to maintain."
On the Motion of the Earl of Shaftesbury, the Address and Answer were ordered to be printed.