HL Deb 10 November 2004 vol 666 cc973-7 22 After Clause 6, Insert the following new Clause— "Functions of Commissioner in Wales (1) The Children's Commissioner has the function of promoting awareness of the views and interests of children in Wales, except in so far as relating to any matter falling within the remit of the Children's Commissioner for Wales under sectison 72B, 73 or 74 of the Care Standards Act 2000 (c. 14). (2) Subsections (2) to (9) of section 2 apply in relation to the function of the Children's Commissioner under subsection (1) above as in relation to his function under that section. (3) In discharging his function under subsection (1) above the Children's Commissioner must take account of the views of, and any work undertaken by, the Children's Commissioner for Wales. (4) Where the Children's Commissioner considers that the case of an individual child in Wales raises issues of public policy of relevance to other children, other than issues relating to a matter referred to in subsection (1) above, he may hold an inquiry into that case for the purpose of investigating and making recommendations about those issues. (5) Subsections (2) to (7) of section 4 apply in relation to an inquiry under subsection (4) above. (6) Where the Secretary of State considers that the case of an individual child in Wales raises issues of relevance to other children, other than issues relating to a matter referred to in subsection (1) above, he may direct the Children's Commissioner to hold an inquiry into that case. (7) Subsections (2) to (7) of section 5 apply in relation to an inquiry under subsection (6) above."
Lord Filkin

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 22.

Moved, That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 22.—(Lord Filkin.)

Lord Thomas of Gresford

rose to move Amendment No. 22A, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 22, leave out "agree" and insert "disagree".

The noble Lord said My Lords, I have spoken to the amendment with Amendment No. 14.

Moved, as an amendment to the Motion that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 22A, leave out "agree" and insert "disagree".—(Lord Thomas of Gresford.)

7.46 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 22A) shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 43; Not-Contents, 95.

Division No. 2
CONTENTS
Addington, L. Jacobs, L.
Alderdice, L. Jopling, L.
Attlee, E. Livsey of Talgarth, L. [Teller]
Barker, B. Mackie of Benshie, L.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B. Mar and Kellie, E.
Clement-Jones, L. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Dholakia, L. Morgan, L.
D'Souza, B. Northover, B.
Dykes, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Emerton, B. Prys-Davies, L.
Falkner of Margravine, B. Razzall, L.
Finlay of Llandaff, B. Rennard, L.
Greaves, L. Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Hamwee, B. Rogan, L.
Harris of Richmond, B. Roper, L. [Teller]
Hooson, L. Sandberg, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B. Sharp of Guildford, B.
Hylton, L. Steel of Aikwood, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L. Walmsley, B.
Thomas of Walliswood, B. Watson of Richmond, L.
Wakeham, L. Williams of Crosby, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Hollis of Heigham, B.
Ahmed, L. Hoyle, L.
Amos, B. (Lord President of the Council) Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Andrews, B. Jones, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L. King of West Bromwich, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B. Kirkhill, L.
Bach, L. Laird, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L. Laming, L.
Bernstein of Craigweil, L. Lea of Crondall, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Burlison, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Campbell-Savours, L. McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Carter, L MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Chandos, V McKenzie of Luton, L.
Clark of Windermere, L. Massey of Darwen, B.
Clinton-Davis, L. Maxton, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B. Mitchell, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L. Morgan of Drefelin, B.
David, B. Paul, L.
Davies of Coity, L. Pendry, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Davies of Oldham, L. [Teller] Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Desai, L. Prosser, B.
Drayson, L. Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Dubs, L. Rendell of Babergh, B.
Elder, L. Rooker, L.
Evans of Parkside, L. Rosser, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L. (Lord Chancellor) Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Sawyer, L.
Faulkner of Worcester, L. Scotland of Asthal, B.
Filkin, L. Sewel, L.
Gale, B. Simon, V.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Snape, L.
Gilbert, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Golding, B. Thornton, B.
Goldsmith, L. Tomlinson, L.
Goudie, B. Triesman, L.
Gould of Brookwood, L. Truscott, L.
Grenfell, L. Tunnicliffe, L.
Grocott, L. [Teller] Uddin, B.
Harris of Haringey, L. Wall of New Barnet, B.
Hart of Chilton, L. Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Haskel, L. Whitaker, B.
Haworth, L. Whitty, L.
Henig, B. Wilkins, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Young of Norwood Green, L.

Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.

7.56 p.m.

Lord Thomas of Gresford

rose to move, as an amendment to Commons Amendment No. 22, Amendment No. 22B: 22B After Clause 6, Line 25, at end insert— (8) Nothing in this section affects the additional power of consideration and representation granted to the Children's Commissioner for Wales by section 75A of the Care Standards Act 2000 (c. 14). The noble Lord said: My Lords, I have spoken to this amendment with Amendment No. 14. Amendment No. 22B is an amendment to Commons Amendment No. 22. I know that the spirit of Lord Williams of Mostyn is with me. I beg to move.

Moved, as an amendment to Commons Amendment No. 22, Amendment No. 22B.—(Lord Thomas of Gresford.)

7.58 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 22B) shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 66; Not-Contents, 93.

Division No. 3
CONTENTS
Addington, L. Livsey of Talgarth, L. [Teller]
Alderdice, L. Lyell, L.
Attlee, E. Mackie of Benshie, L.
Barker, B. Mar and Kellie, E.
Bridgeman, V. Masham of Ilton, B.
Byford, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Courtown, E. Monro of Langholm, L.
Crathorne, L. Montrose, D.
Denham, L. Newton of Braintree, L.
Dholakia, L. Northbourne, L.
Dixon-Smith, L. Northover, B.
Dundee, E. Norton of Louth, L.
Emerton, B. Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Falkner of Margravine, B. Prys-Davies, L.
Ferrers, E. Rennard, L.
Finlay of Llandaff, B. Renton, L.
Fookes, B. Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Garel-Jones, L. Rogan, L.
Greaves, L. Roper, L. [Teller]
Hamwee, B. Sandberg, L.
Harris of Richmond, B. Seccombe, B.
Hooper, B. Sharp of Guildford, B.
Hooson, L. Steel of Aikwood, L.
Howe, E. Thomas of Gresford, L.
Hylton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Inglewood, L. Wakeham, L.
Jacobs, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Kimball, L. Walmsley, B.
Kingsland, L. Walpole, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B. Watson of Richmond, L.
Laming, L. Williams of Crosby, B.
Listowel, E. Windlesham, L.
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Amos, B. (Lord President of the Council) David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Andrews, B. Davies of Oldham, L. [Teller]
Archer of Sandwell, L. Desai, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B. Drayson, L.
Bach, L. Dubs, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L. Elder, L.
Bernstein of Craigweil, L. Evans of Parkside, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Burlison, L. Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Campbell-Savours, L. Filkin, L.
Carter, L. Gale, B.
Chandos, V. Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Clark of Windermere, L. Gilbert, L.
Clinton-Davis, L. Golding, B.
Cohen of Pimlico, B. Goldsmith, L.
Goudie, B. Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Gould of Brookwood, L. Paul, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L. Pendry, L.
Grenfell, L. Pitkeathley, B.
Grocott, L. [Teller] Prosser, B.
Harris of Haringey, L. Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Hart of Chilton, L. Rendell of Babergh, B.
Haskel, L. Rooker, L.
Haworth, L. Rosser, L.
Henig, B. Rowlands, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Sawyer, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B. Scotland of Asthal, B.
Hoyle, L. Sewel, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L. Simon, V.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Snape, L.
Jones, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Kirkhill, L. Thornton, B.
Laird, L. Tomlinson, L.
Layard, L. Triesman, L.
Lea of Crondall, L. Truscott, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Tunnicliffe, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. Uddin, B.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B. Wall of New Barnet, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
McKenzie of Luton, L. Whitaker, B.
Massey of Darwen, B. Whitty, L.
Maxton, L. Wilkins, B.
Mitchell, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Morgan, L. Young of Norwood Green, L.

Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.

On Question, Motion agreed to.