§ 4.52 p.m.
§ Lord Goldsmith rose to move, That the draft order laid before the House on 1lth September be approved [28 th Report from the Joint Committee.]
§ The noble and learned Lord said: My Lords, I beg to move.
§ Moved, That the draft order laid before the House on 1lth September be approved [28th Report from the Joint Committee.]—(Lord Goldsmith.)
§ Baroness Blatch had given notice of her intention to move, as an amendment to the above Motion, to leave out all the words after "That" and insert "this House declines to approve the draft order laid before the House on 1lth September".
§ The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I shall not move the amendment.
§ [Amendment not moved.]
§ Lord Lester of Herne Hill had given notice of his intention to move, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order containing effective safeguards to ensure that communications data retained pursuant to the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 will not become liable to be obtained or disclosed under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 unless the criteria for obtaining or disclosing communications data under the 2000 Act are met in relation to those data in accordance with the fundamental right to personal privacy".
§ The noble Lord said: My Lords, I shall not move the amendment.
§ [Amendment not moved.]
§ The Earl of Northesk rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order wherein, notwithstanding the provisions of the Social Security Fraud Act 2001, the Department for Work and Pensions and the Northern Ireland Social Security Investigators are included in the list of named public authorities on the face of the order and thereby subject to Part 1, Chapter 2, of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000".
§ The noble Earl said: My Lords, I beg to move.
§ Moved, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order wherein, notwithstanding the provisions of the Social Security Fraud Act 2001, the Department for Work and Pensions and the Northern Ireland Social Security Investigators are included in the list of named public authorities on the face of the order and thereby subject to Part 1, Chapter 2, of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000".—(The Earl of Northesk.)
§ 4.53 p.m.
§ On Question, Whether the said amendment shall be agreed to?
1598§ Their Lordships divided: Contents, 92; Not-Contents, 108.
1599| Division No.1 | |
| CONTENTS | |
| Anelay of St Johns, B. | Laing of Dunphail, L. |
| Ashcroft, L. | Lamont of Lerwick, L. |
| Astor of Hever, L. | Lawson of Blaby, L. |
| Attlee, E. | Liverpool, E. |
| Beaumont of Whitley, L. | Lucas, L. |
| Biffen, L. | Luke, L. |
| Blackwell, L. | McAlpine of West Green, L. |
| Blatch, B. | MacGregor of Pulham Market, |
| Bridgeman, V. | L. |
| Brittan of Spennithorne, L. | MacLaurin of Knebworth, L. |
| Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L. | Mayhew of Twysden, L. |
| Brougham and Vaux, L. | Miller of Hendon, B. |
| Byford, B. | Monro of Langholm, L. |
| Campbell of Alloway, L. | Monson, L. |
| Carlisle of Bucklow, L. | Montrose, D. |
| Chorley, L. | Mowbray and Stourton, L. |
| Coe, L. | Moynihan, L. |
| Colwyn, L. | Murton of Lindisfarne, L. |
| Cope of Berkeley, L. [Teller] | Noakes, B. |
| Crickhowell, L. | Northesk, E. |
| Darcyde Knayth, B. | Norton of Louth, L. |
| Denham, L. | O'Cathain, B. |
| Dixon-Smith, L. | Onslow, E. |
| Eden of Winton, L. | Park of Monmouth, B. |
| Elliott of Morpeth, L. | Perry of Southwark, B. |
| Elton, L. | Phillips of Sudbury, L. |
| Erroll, E. | Rawlings, B. |
| Feldman, L. | Reay, L. |
| Ferrers, E. | Rees, L. |
| Flather, B. | Renton, L. |
| Freyberg, L. | Roberts of Conwy, L. |
| Geddes, L. | St. John of Bletso, L. |
| Glenarthur, L. | Seccombe, B.[Teller] |
| Glentoran, L. | Selborne, E. |
| Goschen, V. | Simon of Glaisdale, L. |
| Hanham, B. | Skelmersdale, L. |
| Hayhoe, L. | Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. |
| Higgins, L. | Stoddart of Swindon, L. |
| Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. | Strathclyde, L. |
| Howe, E. | Swinfen, L. |
| Howe of Aberavon, L. | Tebbit, L. |
| Hurd of Westwell, L. | Thomas of Gwydir, L. |
| Hylton, L. | Thomas of Swynnerton, L. |
| Jenkin of Roding, L. | Trefgarne, L. |
| Jopling, L. | Vivian, L. |
| Kingsland, L. | Waddington, L. |
| NOT-CONTENTS | |
| Acton, L. | Brookman, L. |
| Ahmed, L. | Burlison, L. |
| Allenby of Megiddo, V. | Carter, L. |
| Alli, L. | Christopher, L. |
| Amos, B. (LordPresident) | Clarke of Hampstead, L. |
| Andrews, B. | Clinton-Davis, L. |
| Archer of Sandwell, L. | Cohen of Pimlico, B. |
| Ashton of Upholland, B. | Corbett of Castle Vale, L. |
| Bach, L. | Crawley, B. |
| Bassam of Brighton, L. | Davies of Coity, L. |
| Berkeley, L. | Davies of Oldham, L. [Teller] |
| Bernstein of Craigweil, L. | Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. |
| Billingham, B. | Dixon, L. |
| Blackstone, B. | Donoughue, L. |
| Bragg, L. | Dormand of Easington, L. |
| Brennan, L. | Dubs, L. |
| Brett, L. | Evans of Parkside, L. |
| Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. | Evans of Temple Guiting, L. |
| Falconer of Thoroton, L. (Lord | Mallalieu, B. |
| Chancellor) | Massey of Darwen, B. |
| Farrington of Ribbleton, B. | Merlyn-Rees, L. |
| Faulkner of Worcester, L. | Mishcon, L. |
| Fitt, L. | Mitchell, L. |
| Gale, B. | Morgan, L. |
| Gibson of Market Rasen, B. | Morgan of Huyton, B. |
| Golding, B. | Morris of Aberavon, L. |
| Goldsmith, L. | Pendry, L. |
| Gould of Potternewton, B. | Pitkeathley, B. |
| Graham of Edmonton, L. | Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. |
| Grocott, L. [Teller] | Radice, L. |
| Hannay of Chiswick, L. | Ramsay of Cartvale, B. |
| Harrison, L. | Rendell of Babergh, B. |
| Hollis of Heigham, B. | Richard, L. |
| Howe of Idlicote, B. | Rogers of Riverside, L. |
| Howells of St. Davids, B. | Roll of Ipsden, L. |
| Howie of Troon, L. | Sandwich, E. |
| Hoyle, L. | Scotland of Asthal, B. |
| Hughes of Woodside, L. | Sewel, L. |
| Hunt of Chesterton, L. | Sheldon, L. |
| Hunt of Kings Heath, L. | Simon, V. |
| Irvine of Lairg, L. | Slim, V. |
| Stallard, L. | |
| Janner of Braunstone, L. | Strange, B. |
| Jay of Paddington, B. | Temple-Morris, L. |
| Jordan, L. | Tenby, V. |
| Judd, L. | Thornton, B. |
| King of West Bromwich, L. | Turnbere, L. |
| Layard, L. | Turner of Camden, B. |
| Lea of Crondall, L. | Warner, L. |
| McCarthy, L. | Wedderburn of Charlton, L. |
| Macdonald of Tradeston, L. | Whitaker, B. |
| McIntosh of Haringey, L. | Whitty, L. |
| McIntosh of Hudnall, B. | Wilkins, B. |
| MacKenzie of Culkein, L. | Williamson of Horton, L. |
| Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. | Woolmer of Leeds, L. |
§ Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.
§ 5.3 p.m.
§ Lord Phillips of Sudbury rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order requiring the Interception of Communications Commissioner to inform any person who appears to have been adversely affected by any wilful or reckless failure on the part of any person exercising or undertaking any of the powers and duties conferred or imposed on him by the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 in relation to the acquisition or disclosure of communications data, subject to national security safeguards".
§ The noble Lord said: My Lords, I beg to move.
§ Moved, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order requiring the Interception of Communications Commissioner to inform any person who appears to have been adversely affected by any wilful or reckless failure on the part of any person exercising or undertaking any of the powers and duties conferred or imposed on him by the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 in relation to the acquisition or disclosure of communications data, subject to national security safeguards".—(Lord Phillips of Sudbury.)
1600§ On Question, Whether the said amendment shall be agreed to?
§ Their Lordships divided: Contents, 126; Not-Contents, 99.
1601| Division No.2 | |
| CONTENTS | |
| Ackner, L. | Luke, L. |
| Addington, L. [Teller] | McAlpine of West Green, L. |
| Allenby of Megiddo, V. | MacLaurin of Knebworth, L. |
| Astor of Hever, L. | McNally, L. |
| Attlee, E. | Maddock, B. |
| Avebury, L. | Mar and Kellie, E. |
| Barker, B. | Mayhew of Twysden, L. |
| Beaumont of Whitley, L. | Methuen, L. |
| Biffen, L. | Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. |
| Blackwell, L. | Miller of Hendon, B. |
| Blatch, B. | Monro of Langholm, L. |
| Bradshaw, L. | Monson, L. |
| Bridgeman, V. | Montrose, D. |
| Brittan of Spennithorne, L. | Mowbray and Stourton, L. |
| Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L. | Moynihan, L. |
| Brougham and Vaux, L. | Murton of Lindisfarne, L. |
| Byford, B. | Newby, L. |
| Campbell of Alloway, L. | Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. |
| Carlisle of Bucklow, L. | Noakes, B. |
| Chorley, L. | Northesk, E. |
| Cobbold, L. | Northover, B. |
| Coe, L. | Norton of Louth, L. |
| Colwyn, L. | Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. |
| Cope of Berkeley, L. [Teller] | O'Cathain, B. |
| Crickhowell, L. | Onslow, E. |
| Darcy de Knayth, B. | Park of Monmouth, B. |
| Denham, L. | Patten, L. |
| Dholakia, L. | Perry of Southwark, B. |
| Dixon-Smith, L. | Phillips of Sudbury, L. |
| Eden of Winton, L. | Rawlings, B. |
| Elliott of Morpeth, L. | Reay, L. |
| Elton, L. | Redesdale, L. |
| Erroll, E. | Rees, L. |
| Falkland, V. | Rennard, L. |
| Feldman, L. | Renton, L. |
| Ferrers, E. | Roberts of Conwy, L. |
| Flather, B. | Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. |
| Freyberg, L. | Roper, L. |
| Geddes, L. | Russell, E. |
| Glenarthur, L. | Sandberg, L. |
| Glentoran, L. | Seccombe, B. |
| Goodhart, L. | Selborne, E. |
| Goschen, V. | Shutt of Greetland, L. |
| Hanham, B. | Simon of Glaisdale, L. |
| Harris of Richmond, B. | Skelmersdale, L. |
| Hayhoe, L. | Slim, V. |
| Higgins, L. | Smith of Clifton, L. |
| Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. | Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. |
| Howe, E. | Stoddart of Swindon, L. |
| Howe of Aberavon, L. | Strange, B. |
| Howe of Idlicote, B. | Strathclyde, L. |
| Hylton, L. | Swinfen, L. |
| Jenkin of Roding, L. | Tebbit, L. |
| Jopling, L. | Thomas of Gresford, L. |
| Kingsland, L. | Thomas of Gwydir, L. |
| Laing of Dunphail, L. | Thomas of Swynnerton, L. |
| Lamont of Lerwick, L. | Thomas of Walliswood, B. |
| Lawson of Blaby, L. | Thomson of Monifieth, L. |
| Lester of Herne Hill, L. | Vivian, L. |
| Linklater of Butterstone, B. | Waddington, L. |
| Liverpool, E. | Walmsley, B. |
| Livsey of Talgarth, L. | Wedderburn of Charlton, L. |
| Lucas, L. | Williams of Crosby, B. |
| NOT-CONTENTS | |
| Acton, L. | Howells of St. Davids, B. |
| Ahmed, L. | Howie of Troon, L. |
| Alli, L. | Hoyle, L. |
| Amos, B. (Lord President) | Hughes of Woodside, L. |
| Andrews, B. | Hunt of Chesterton, L. |
| Archer of Sandwell, L. | Hunt of Kings Heath, L. |
| Ashton of Upholland, B. | Irvine of Lairg, L. |
| Bach, L. | Janner of Braunstone, L. |
| Bassam of Brighton, L. | Jay of Paddington, B. |
| Berkeley, L. | Joffe, L. |
| Bernstein of Craigweil, L. | Jordan, L. |
| Billingham, B. | King of West Bromwich, L. |
| Blackstone, B. | Lea of Crondall, L. |
| Bragg, L. | McCarthy, L. |
| Bramall, L. | Macdonald of Tradeston, L. |
| Brennan, L. | McIntosh of Haringey, L. |
| Brett, L. | McIntosh of Hudnall, B. |
| Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. | MacKenzie of Culkein, L. |
| Brookman, L. | Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. |
| Burlison, L. | Mallalieu, B. |
| Carter, L. | Massey of Darwen, B. |
| Christopher, L. | Merlyn-Rees, L. |
| Clarke of Hampstead, L. | Mishcon, L. |
| Clinton-Davis, L. | Mitchell, L. |
| Cohen of Pimlico, B. | Morgan, L. |
| Corbett of Castle Vale, L. | Morgan of Huyton, B. |
| Crawley, B. | Morris of Aberavon, L. |
| Davies of Coity, L. | Pendry, L. |
| Davies of Oldham, L. [Teller] | Pitkeathley, B. |
| Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. | Radice, L. |
| Dixon, L. | Ramsay of Cartvale, B. |
| Donoughue, L. | Rendell of Babergh, B. |
| Dormand of Easington, L. | Richard, L. |
| Dubs, L. | Rogers of Riverside, L. |
| Evans of Parkside, L. | Roll of Ipsden, L. |
| Evans of Temple Guiting, L. | Scotland of Asthal, B. |
| Falconer of Thoroton. L. (Lord | Sewel, L. |
| Chancellor) | Sheldon, L. |
| Farrington of Ribbleton, B. | Simon, V. |
| Faulkner of Worcester, L. | Stallard, L. |
| Gale, B. | Temple-Morris, L. |
| Gibson of Market Rasen, B. | Tenby, V. |
| Golding, B. | Thornton, B. |
| Goldsmith, L. | Turnberg, L. |
| Gould of Potternewton, B. | Turner of Camden, B. |
| Graham of Edmonton, L. | Whitaker, B. |
| Grocott, L. [Teller] | Whitty, L. |
| Hannay of Chiswick, L. | Wilkins, B. |
| Harrison, L. | Williamson of Horton, L. |
| Hollis of Heigham, B. | Woolmer of Leeds, L. |
§ Resolved in the affirmative, and amendment agreed to accordingly.
§ 5.14 p.m.
§ Baroness Blatch rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order only when a full report has been given to Parliament on the entitlement (and the conditions attaching thereto) on the part of any foreign government, body or person to require access to communications data in the United Kingdom pursuant to any legislation, agreement, treaty or convention whether national, international or in relation to the European Union and when the Government have taken note of Parliament's view on that report".
1602§ The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I beg to move.
§ Moved, as an amendment to the Motion, at end to insert "and this House calls upon Her Majesty's Government to lay a new draft order only when a full report has been given to Parliament on the entitlement (and the conditions attaching thereto) on the part of any foreign government, body or person to require access to communications data in the United Kingdom pursuant to any legislation, agreement, treaty or convention whether national, international or in relation to the European Union and when the Government have taken note of Parliament's view on that report".—(Baroness Blatch.)
§ On Question, Whether the said amendment shall be agreed to?
§ Their Lordships divided: Contents, 120; Not-Contents, 98.
1603| Division No.3 | |
| CONTENTS | |
| Ackner, L. | Hayhoe, L. |
| Addington, L. [Teller] | Higgins, L. |
| Allenby of Megiddo, V. | Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. |
| Ashcroft, L. | Hooper, B. |
| Astor of Hever, L. | Howe, E. |
| Attlee, E. | Howe of Aberavon, L. |
| Avebury, L. | Howe of Idlicote, B. |
| Barker, B. | Jenkin of Roding, L. |
| Beaumont of Whitley, L. | Kingsland, L. |
| Biffen, L. | Laing of Dunphail, L. |
| Blackwell, L. | Lamont of Lerwick, L. |
| Blatch, B. | Lawson of Blaby, L. |
| Bradshaw, L. | Lester of Herne Hill, L. |
| Bridgeman, V. | Linklater of Butterstone, B. |
| Brittan of Spennithorne, L. | Liverpool, E. |
| Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L. | Livsey of Talgarth, L. |
| Brougham and Vaux, L. | Lucas, L. |
| Byford, B. | Luke, L. |
| Campbell of Alloway, L. | McAlpine of West Green, L. |
| Carlisle of Bucklow, L. | MacLaurin of Knebworth, L. |
| Chorley, L. | Maclennan of Rogart, L. |
| Cobbold, L. | McNally, L. |
| Colwyn, L. | Maddock, B. |
| Cope of Berkeley, L. | Methuen, L. |
| Crickhowell, L. | Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. |
| Darcy de Knayth, B. | Miller of Hendon, B. |
| Denham, L. | Monro of Langholm, L. |
| Dholakia, L. | Monson, L. |
| Dixon-Smith, L. | Montrose, D. |
| Eden of Winton, L. | Moynihan, L. |
| Elliott of Morpeth, L. | Murton of Lindisfame, L. |
| Elton, L. | Newby, L. |
| Erroll, E. | Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. |
| Falkland, V. | Noakes, B. |
| Feldman, L. | Northesk, E. |
| Ferrers, E. | Northover, B. |
| Flather, B. | Norton of Louth, L. |
| Freyberg, L. | Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. |
| Geddes, L. | O'Cathain, B. |
| Glenarthur, L. | Onslow, E. |
| Glentoran, L. | Park of Monmouth, B. |
| Goodhart, L. | Patten, L. |
| Goschen, V. | Perry of Southwark, B. |
| Hanham, B. | Phillips of Sudbury, L. |
| Harris of Richmond, B. | Quirk, L. |
| Rawlings, B. | Skelmersdale, L. |
| Reay, L. | Slim, V. |
| Redesdale, L. | Smith of Clifton, L. |
| Rees, L. | Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. |
| Rennard, L. | Stoddart of Swindon, L. |
| Renton, L. | Swinfen, L. |
| Roberts of Conwy, L. | Tebbit, L. |
| Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. | Thomas of Gresford, L. |
| Roper, L. | Thomas of Swynnerton, L. |
| Russell, E. | Thomas of Walliswood, B. |
| Sandberg, L. | Thomson of Monifieth, L. |
| Seccombe, B. [Teller] | Vivian, L. |
| Selborne, E. | Waddington, L. |
| Shutt of Greetland, L. | Walmsley, B. |
| Simon of Glaisdale, L. | Williams of Crosby, B. |
| NOT-CONTENTS | |
| Acton, L. | Howie of Troon, L. |
| Ahmed, L. | Hoyle, L. |
| Alli, L. | Hughes of Woodside, L. |
| Andrews, B. | Hunt of Chesterton, L. |
| Archer of Sandwell, L. | Hunt of Kings Heath, L. |
| Ashton of Upholland, B. | Janner of Braunstone, L. |
| Bach, L. | Jay of Paddington, B. |
| Bassam of Brighton, L. | Jordan, L. |
| Berkeley, L. | Judd, L. |
| Bernstein of Craigweil, L. | King of West Bromwich, L. |
| Billingham, B. | Lea of Crondall, L. |
| Blackstone, B. | McCarthy, L. |
| Bragg, L. | Macdonald of Tradeston, L. |
| Brennan, L. | McIntosh of Haringey, L. |
| Brett, L. | McIntosh of Hudnall, B. |
| Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. | MacKenzie of Culkein, L. |
| Brookman, L. | Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. |
| Burlison, L. | Mallalieu, B. |
| Carter, L. | Massey of Darwen, B. |
| Christopher, L. | Merlyn-Rees, L. |
| Clarke of Hampstead, L. | Mishcon, L. |
| Clinton-Davis, L. | Mitchell, L. |
| Cohen of Pimlico, B. | Morgan, L. |
| Corbett of Castle Vale, L. | Morgan of Huyton, B. |
| Morris of Aberavon, L. | |
| Crawley, B. | Pendry, L. |
| Davies of Coity, L. | Pitkeathley, B. |
| Davies of Oldham, L. [Teller] | Radice, L. |
| Dean of Thomton-le-Fylde, B. | Ramsay of Cartvale, B. |
| Dixon, L. | Rendell of Babergh, B. |
| Donoughue, L. | Richard, L. |
| Dormand of Easington, L. | Rogers of Riverside, L. |
| Dubs, L. | Roll of Ipsden, L. |
| Evans of Parkside, L. | Scotland of Asthal, B. |
| Evans of Temple Guiting, L. | Sewel, L. |
| Falconer of Thoroton, L. (Lord | Sheldon, L. |
| Chancellor) | Simon, V. |
| Farrington of Ribbleton, B. | Stallard, L. |
| Faulkner of Worcester, L. | Temple-Morris, L. |
| Gale, B. | Tenby, V. |
| Gibson of Market Rasen, B. | Thornton, B. |
| Golding, B. | Turnberg, L. |
| Goldsmith, L. | Turner of Camden, B. |
| Gould of Potternewton, B. | Warner, L. |
| Graham of Edmonton, L. | Wedderburn of Charlton, L. |
| Grocott, L. [Teller] | Whitaker, B. |
| Hannay of Chiswick, L. | Whitty, L. |
| Harrison, L. | Wilkins, B. |
| Hollis of Heigham, B. | Williamson of Horton, L. |
| Howells of St. Davids, B. | Woolmer of Leeds, L. |
§ Resolved in the affirmative, and amendment agreed to accordingly.
§ Motion, as amended, agreed to.