HL Deb 03 April 2003 vol 646 cc1441-3

14After Clause 13, insert the following new clause—

"INDEPENDENT MEMBERS: DISQUALIFICATION (1) In paragraph 8 of Schedule 3 to the Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000 (c.32) (disqualification for membership of district policing partnership) for sub-paragraph (2) substitute— (2) A person is disqualified for being an independent member of a DPP if —

  1. (a)he has been convicted in Northern Ireland or elsewhere of any offence and has had passed on him a sentence of imprisonment or detention, and
  2. (b)the relevant period has not ended.
(3) The relevant period is the period of five years beginning with the person's discharge in respect of the offence. (4) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (3) the following are to be treated as the discharge of a person (whether or not his release is subject to conditions)—
  1. (a)his release on licence;
  2. (b)his release in pursuance of a grant of remission.
 (5) Sub-paragraph (4) does not apply in relation to the release of a person in respect of an offence if he is required to return to prison or detention for a further period in respect of the offence. (6) Subject to sub-paragraph (7), the reference in sub-paragraph (2) to a sentence of imprisonment or detention does not include a suspended sentence. (7) Sub-paragraph (6) does not apply in relation to a suspended sentence that has been ordered to take effect. (8) In this paragraph "suspended sentence" means a sentence of imprisonment or detention that is ordered not to take effect unless the conditions specified in the order are met. (2) Subsection (1) comes into force in accordance with provision made by the Secretary of State by order.

Lord Williams of Mostyn

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 14, to which I spoke with Amendment No. 13.

Moved, That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 14.—(Lord Williams of Mostyn.)

Lord Glentoran rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 14:

14Aleave out "agree" and insert "disagree".

The noble Lord said: My Lords, as I have already indicated, I should like to press Amendment No. 14A and take the opinion of the House.

Moved, as an amendment to the Motion that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 14, leave out "agree" and insert "disagree".—(Lord Glentoran.)

12.50 p.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendtnent (No. 14A) shall be agreed to?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 94; Not-Contents, 147.

Division No. 1
CONTENTS
Aberdare, L. Jopling, L.
Ampthill, L. Laird, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B. Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Ashcroft, L. Lang of Monkton, L.
Astor of Hever, L. Lucas, L.
Baker of Dorking, L. Luke, L.
Biffen, L. McColl of Dulwich, L.
Blatch, B. MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
Bramall, L. Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Bridgeman, V. Marlesford, L.
Brittan of Spennithorne, L. Marsh, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L. Monro of Langholm, L.
Byford, B. Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Caithness, E. Montrose, D.
Campbell of Alloway, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L. Moynihan, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B. Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Cobbold, L. Noakes, B.
Colwyn, L. Norton of Louth, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L. [Teller] O'Cathain, B.
Cox, B. Palmer, L.
Crathorne, L. Park of Monmouth, B.
Dean of Harptree, L. Peel, E.
Denham, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Dixon-Smith, L. Plumb, L.
Eden of Winton, L. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Elles, B. Reay, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L. Renton, L.
Fitt, L. Rogan, L.
Flather, B. Saatchi, L.
Freeman, L. Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Gardner of Parkes, B. Sharples, B.
Geddes, L. Shaw of Northstead, L.
Glenarthur, L. Skelmersdale, L.
Glentoran, L. Stewartby, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L. Strange, B.
Hanham, B. Strathclyde, L.
Hanningfield, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Hayhoe, L. Trumpington, B.
Higgins, L. Vivian, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B. Waddington, L.
Howe, E. Wade of Chorlton, L.
Howe of Aberavon, L. Wakeham, L
Howell of Guildford, L. Wilcox, B.
Hussey of North Bradley, L. Windlesham, L.
Jellicoe, E. Wolfson, L.
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Billingham, B.
Addington, L. Borrie, L.
Ahmed, L. Boston of Faversham, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V. Bradshaw, L.
Alli,L. Brennan, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Andrews, B. Brookman, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L. Bruce of Donington, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B. Burlison, L.
Bach, L. Campbell-Savours, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L. Carter, L.
Berkeley, L. Chandos, V.
Bernstein of Craigweil, L. Christopher, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L. MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L. Mackie of Benshie, L.
Craig of Radley, L. McNally, L.
Crawley, B. Maddock, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L. Masham of Ilton, B.
Dahrendorf, L. Merlyn-Rees, L.
David, B. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Davies of Oldham, L. Mishcon, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Morgan of Huyton, B.
Desai, L. Morris of Aberavon, L.
Dixon, L. Morris of Manchester, L.
Donoughue, L. Nicol, B.
Elder, L. Northbourne, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Northover, B.
Falkland, V. Patel of Blackburn, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Paul, L.
Faulkner of Worcester, L. Perry of Walton, L.
Freyberg, L. Pitkeathley, B.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Plant of Highfield, L.
Gale, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Gavron, L. Prys-Davies, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Radice, L.
Gilbert, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Golding, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Goldsmith, L. Rendell of Babergh, B.
Goodhart, L. Richard, L.
Goudie, B. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B. Rooker, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L. Roper, L.
Greengross, B. Russell, E.
Grocott, L. [Teller] Sandberg, L.
Hamwee, B. Sawyer, L.
Hardy of Wath, L. Scott of Needham Market, B.
Harris of Richmond, B. Sewel, L.
Harrison, L. Sheldon, L.
Haskel, L. Shutt of Greetland, L.
Hayman, B. Simon, V.
Hilton of Eggardon, B. Smith of Clifton, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B. Smith of Leigh, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B. Stern, B.
Hoyle, L. Strabolgi, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Taverne, L.
Hylton, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Temple-Morris, L.
Chancellor) Tordoff, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L. Turner of Camden, B.
Jay of Paddington, B. Uddin, B.
Jeger, B. Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Jones, L. Walmsley, B.
King of Bridgwater, L. Walton of Detchant, L.
Kirkhill, L. Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Lester of Herne Hill, L. Weatherill, L.
Lipsey, L. Whitaker, B.
Livsey of Talgarth, L. Whitty, L.
Lockwood, B. Williams of Crosby, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Williams of Elvel, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. (Lord
McIntosh of Haringey, L. Privy Seal)
[Teller] Woolmer of Leeds, L.

Resolved in the negative, and amendment disagreed to accordingly.

1 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker (Lord Geddes)

My Lords, before calling Amendment No. 14B, I must advise the House that, if it is agreed to, I shall not be able to call Amendment No. 14C due to pre-emption.

[Amendment No. 14B not moved.]