HL Deb 11 July 1995 vol 565 cc1570-2

155 Clause 80, page 95, line 16, at end insert: `(2A) For the purpose of facilitating the protection of important hedgerows, regulations under subsection (I) above may also make provision in relation to other hedgerows in England or Wales. (2B) Without prejudice to the generality of subsections (1) to (2A) above, regulations under subsection (I) above may provide for the application (with or without modifications) of, or include provision comparable to. any provision contained in the planning Acts and may, in particular, make provision—

  1. (a)prohibiting, or for prohibiting, the removal of, or the carrying out of prescribed acts in relation to, a hedgerow except in prescribed cases;
  2. (b) for or with respect to appeals against determinations or decisions made, or notices given or served, under or by virtue of the regulations, including provision authorising or requiring any body or person to whom an appeal lies to consult prescribed persons with respect to the appeal in prescribed cases;
  3. (c) for a person who contravenes, or fails to comply with, any prescribed provision of the regulations to be guilty of an offence;
  4. (d) for a person guilty of an offence by virtue of paragraph (c) above which consists of the removal, in contravention of the regulations, of a hedgerow of a description prescribed for the purposes of this paragraph to be liable—
    1. (i) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or
    2. (ii) on conviction on indictment, to a fine;
  5. (e) for a person guilty of any other offence by virtue of paragraph (c) above to be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding such level on the standard scale as may be prescribed.
(2C) Regulations under this section may make different provision for different cases, including different provision in relation to different descriptions of hedgerow, different descriptions of person, different areas or localities or different circumstances.'.

156 Page 95, line 43. at end insert: hedgerow" includes any stretch of hedgerow;'.

157 Page 96, line 1, at end insert: the planning Acts" has the same meaning as it has in the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 by virtue of section 336(1) of that Act;'.

158 Page 96, line 2, leave out second 'prescribed' and insert `specified, or of a description specified,'.

159 Page 96, line 3, at end insert: 'remove", in relation to a hedgerow, means uproot or otherwise destroy, and cognate expressions shall be construed accordingly;'.

160 Page 96, line 5, at end insert: `(6)Any reference in this section to removing, or carrying out an act in relation to, a hedgerow includes a reference to causing or permitting another to remove, or (as the case may be) carry out an act in relation to, a hedgerow.'.

Earl Ferrers

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 155 to 160 en bloc. These amendments respond to anxieties expressed by your Lordships that the present provisions in Clause 80 are too broadly stated. They honour an assurance given by my noble friend Lord Ullswater that he would give further consideration to incorporating an appeals mechanism in the regulations on the face of the Bill.

Moved, That the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 155 to 160 en bloc.-(Earl Ferrers.)

Baroness Nicol

My Lords, I wanted simply to welcome the amendments and to ask one question. During the passage of the Bill in this House we had a great deal of discussion about what constitutes an "important hedgerow". Has any progress been made in that regard? Are the Government any nearer a definition of what constitutes an important hedgerow? That information would be helpful to some of us.

Lord Stanley of Alderley

My Lords, it goes without saying that I am concerned that yet another bureaucratic regulation is being imposed on farmers because they must notify a local authority if they wish to remove one of their hedgerows. In line with the remarks made by the noble Baroness, I should like to know what is a hedgerow and whether that will be spelt out clearly in the regulations.

Moreover and perhaps more important, if a farmer goes to a local authority to say that he wishes to remove a hedgerow, will the Minister ensure that there is a time limit in the regulations which provides that an answer is given within 28 days and that if he is not given an answer within that time limit, the permission will be granted automatically.

Earl Ferrers

My Lords, I am grateful for the welcome which the noble Baroness has given to the amendments. The noble Baroness wants to know, as does my noble friend, what is meant by an "important hedgerow". I can understand the anxieties expressed by my noble friend because it is important that there is not too much bureaucracy in relation to the countryside or anything else. However, there are occasions when it is necessary to try to protect important hedgerows. Research is in hand to investigate what should properly he regarded as important hedgerows and to establish a system for assessing their quality.

We have made clear our intention to focus protection on those hedgerows which are of particular historic interest or which make a particularly valuable contribution to the wildlife or landscape of an area. The kind of hedgerows which we have in mind are those which are long-standing and which form part of the natural countryside. If my noble friend planted a hedge 10 years ago, I do not believe that he would be refused permission to remove it because we place particular importance on those hedgerows which have been in place for a long time. My noble friend asked whether we could have a time limit of 28 days. That is rather like the noble Baroness, Lady Nicol, asking earlier what "reasonable" meant. Now my noble friend tries to put me on the spot in asking for 28 days. This is a matter which is part of the regulations. We shall settle what is the appropriate time after we have had wide-ranging public consultations.

On Question, Motion agreed to.