HL Deb 03 November 1975 vol 365 cc894-6

[Nos. 27 to 32]

Clause 104, page 87, line 15, leave out ("remove the special provisions relating to health and safety at work in agriculture and")

Schedule 14, page 148, line 15, leave out paragraph 1.

Schedule 14, page 148, line 17, leave out paragraphs 2 to 7.

Page 149, line 1, leave out paragraphs 9 to 20.

Page 150, line 27, at end insert— (". It shall be the duty of the Commission to submit to the Secretary of State and to Agriculture Ministers at such times and in such manner as may be prescribed, reports as to the operation of the Act in its application to the relevant agricultural purposes, having regard to the general purposes of Part I; and the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and the Secretary of State concerned with agriculture in Scotland shall cause any such report to be included in the next respective reports to Parliament under Section 29.")

The Commons disagreed to these Amendments for the following Reason:—

Because the Amendments affect the incidence of expenditure as between the Agriculture Ministers and the Health and Safety Commission in connection with health and safety in agriculture, and the Commons do not offer any further Reason trusting that this Reason may be deemed sufficient.

Lord JACQUES

My Lords, with the leave of the House, I beg to move that this House doth not insist upon their Amendments Nos. 27 to 31 en bloc to which the Commons have disagreed for the Reason numbered 32. The effect of these Amendments was to retain the special provision for agriculture contained in the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. These special provisions have the effect of practically excluding the Health and Safety Commission and the Health and Safety Executive from health and safety matters relating exclusively to agriculture. They single out for special treatment the agricultural industry, as though for some obscure reason persons engaged in agriculture should be deprived of the protection offered to workers in other industries.

In some fields there is a greater accident rate in agriculture than there is in our factories. For example, during the years 1972 to 1974 inclusive, fatal accidents due to a fall from a ladder or stairs, fatal accidents due to electricity, fatal accidents due to poisoning or gassing, had a higher rate of incidence in agriculture than they had in factories. The agriculture Departments have not got the specialist facilities of the Commission and the Executive, which is a specialised functional body. Since the formation of the Executive in January 1975, the specialist inspectorates which previously worked in isolation have been able to share their experience and expertise. This is proving increasingly beneficial. Concentration of effort and resources, and cross-fertilisation of information and methods, are a sure prescription for progress in this area.

My Lords, the Government are well aware of the progress made in agricultural safety and health matters since the Act was passed, including the progress stemming from the work of the Farm Safety Steering Group, and the extension in the size of the agricultural safety inspectorate. These factors will be considered in the discussions which must take place between the Commission and the agriculture Ministers in order to decide what arrangements need to be made when the overall responsibility passes to the Commission. The chairman of the Health and Safety Commission has given an assurance that he is determined to maintain the momentum created in recent months by the work of the Farm Safety Steering Group.

The Commission propose to establish a number of advisory committees for the major industries, and have suggested that one of those should cover health and safety in agriculture. The chairman has said he would want to see the Farm Safety Steering Group continue its work until such time as it might be carried forward for a more general arrangement acceptable to the agricultural industry.

My Lords, with those explanations, the other place rejected the Amendment. I recommend to your Lordships that this House should not insist upon this Amendment.

Moved, That this House doth not insist on their Amendments Nos. 27 to 31 to which the Commons have disagreed for the Reason numbered 32.—(Lord Jacques.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.