HL Deb 02 July 1969 vol 303 cc553-5
LORD WAKEFIELD OF KENDAL

My Lords, I beg leave to ask the first Question which stands in my name on the Order Paper.

[The Question was as follows:

To ask Her Majesty's Government whether they are satisfied that the banks have available for issue the necessary number of halfpennies so long as the Ministry of Food Prices Order requires halfpennies to be included in the maximum price of milk.]

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, the banks ceased to issue halfpennies at the end of June. This was announced on April 1 so that retailers thus affected could make the necessary arrangements.

LORD WAKEFIELD OF KENDAL

My Lords, while thanking the noble Baroness for that disappointing reply, may I ask whether she could please say how the public are going to manage if halfpennies are not available? Because as she will see included in the Question, it is a fact that the Ministry of Food Prices Order requires halfpennies to be included in the maximum price of milk. How will people manage if there are no halfpennies about?

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, I am sure the noble Lord will appreciate that the halfpenny will not completely disappear in this short period. I had the pleasure of hearing the discussion of some of the noble Lord's colleagues at the Dairymen's Conference, and I seem to recall that they were talking about the collection of money by the roundsmen once a week. I gathered that they were not always paid once a week, so the question of the halfpenny would not come into it. Therefore it really does not affect such a large number of customers as perhaps has been thought.

LORD WAKEFIELD OF KENDAL

My Lords, would not the noble Baroness agree that it is maladministration to seek to withdraw currency while that currency is statutorily required to be still in use?

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, my right honourable friend the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food was concerned that any increases should not take place earlier than was absolutely essential. His concern, of course, is for the customer.

LORD WAKEFIELD OF KENDAL

My Lords, could the noble Baroness give an assurance that half-crowns and sixpences will not be withdrawn prematurely in the same way that these halfpennies have been?

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, the halfpenny is not being withdrawn prematurely. The retailers were given due warning to have the halfpennies ready. After all, the period is only a little over three weeks.

LORD FRASER or LONSDALE

My Lords, would not the best plan be to put up the price of milk by one halfpenny and give it to the farmers?

LORD BLYTON

My Lords, is my noble friend aware that, inasmuch as the halfpenny is going to be abolished people who sell goods have put the halfpenny on the price, to make it level, rather than reduced it by a halfpenny?

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, I should hope that that practice will not take place in any large number of stores. As your Lordships will remember, we expressed in this House the opinion that retailers would not do this. I am happy to tell my noble friend that I have heard of some people who are selling cigarettes (though perhaps one should not suggest that everybody should buy these) at a halfpenny less.

LORD BLYTON

My Lords, is my noble friend aware that the brewers, the Conservative's friends, have put a halfpenny on beer?

LORD KILBRACKEN

My Lords, would it not be better to reduce the price by a halfpenny and give it to the housewife?

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, that is not for me to say. But no doubt when my right honourable friend considers the prices, all these points are taken into account. This, I would say, is what my right honourable friend had in mind in not increasing the price, or suggesting an increase, too soon.

BARONESS HORSBRUGH

My Lords, would not the noble Baroness agree that, if there is a halfpenny extra charge, whether you pay by the day or by the week, which happens to be seven days, it will still involve the odd halfpenny?

BARONESS PHILLIPS

My Lords, by sheer mathematical calculation, it depends upon how many pints you buy.

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