HL Deb 23 July 1968 vol 295 cc852-3
LORD AMULREE

My Lords, I beg leave to ask the Question which stands in my name on the Order Paper.

[The Question was as follows:

To ask Her Majesty's Government whether they have reconsidered the possibility of extending the work of the Parliamentary Commissioner to cover complaints about the National Health Service.]

LORD KENNET

Not yet, my Lords. But I would draw the House's attention to a Green Paper published to-day by my right honourable friend the Minister of Health on the future administrative structure of medical and related services, which, among other things, has some suggestions to make about this matter.

LORD AMULREE

My Lords, I should like to thank the noble Lord for his reply. In view of the fact that I have the Green Paper to which he refers in my hand at the present time, I do not propose to ask any further questions.

LORD PLATT

My Lords, as I have not yet seen the Green Paper, may I ask whether the Government will have under consideration the possible appointment of a specific Hospital Commissioner whose duties would be separate from those of the Parliamentary Commissioner? I feel that something of the kind is now necessary.

LORD KENNET

My Lords, in the Green Paper there are two specific proposals which are canvassed for possible consideration at a later stage. One is the extension of the duties of the Parliamentary Commissioner as at present constituted to the Health and Hospital Services; and the other is the appointment of a new Health Commissioner.

LORD PLATT

My Lords, could we be informed what "a later stage" means, approximately?

LORD KENNET

My Lords, I think that the best definition of that is to be found in the Green Paper, which points towards a period of public discussion and debate.

BARONESS BROOKE OF YSTRADFELLTE

My Lords, notwithstanding the Green Paper, would the noble Lord pass on to the right honourable Minister the feelings of frustration experienced by so many members of the public using the National Health Service, that their dissatisfaction cannot effectively be dispelled under the present system?

LORD KENNET

I will, my Lords. But the House will not forget that we discussed this matter at great length at the time we introduced the system of the Parliamentary Commissioner, and found good reasons for excluding the Health Service from his jurisdiction.

LORD CARRINGTON

My Lords, could the noble Lord confirm or deny the opinion which I have heard expressed, that under the present system the Parliamentary Commissioner is underemployed?

LORD KENNET

No, my Lords; not at the moment.

LORD LEATHERLAND

My Lords, if that be so, if he is under-employed, is that not a tribute to the admirable and public-spirited manner in which Government Departments carry out their duties?

BARONESS HYLTON-FOSTER

My Lords, when considering whether more work could or could not be put upon the Parliamentary Commissioner, would it not be a good thing to ask him how much more he personally thinks he can do? Also, is the Minister aware that perhaps he has not had the advantage that Cross-Benchers have of recently having had a talk about this matter from the Parliamentary Commissioner?

LORD KENNET

My Lords, I note what the noble Baroness has said.

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