HL Deb 03 June 1948 vol 156 cc252-6

6.0 p.m.

Amendments reported (according to Order).

Clause 4 [Provisions as to pupils becoming registered pupils at, and being withdrawn from, schools]:

LORD WALKDEN

My Lords, I have a few Amendments to submit to your Lordships. Some of them are very small tidying-up Amendments associated with the alterations we made during the Committee stage, but others are intended to meet the points raised by the noble Lord, Lord Llewellin, and I hope I shall be able to make him quite happy before we finish with the Bill. I regret to say that I have not a firm answer to give to the noble Earl, Lord Perth. The points he raised are still under consideration, but I am hopeful of being able to send him a communication this week which will, I believe, meet his views in regard to certain clauses of the Bill.

I now beg to move the first Amendment on the Order Paper which relates to Clause 4, and I move to leave out subsection (6), which at present has been found to be rather faulty or inadequate, and to substitute the words on the Order Paper. The difference between the two sets of words is that the words in the Bill were permissive—namely, that the names may be deleted. The Amendment makes it obligatory that they are deleted as and when it is found they should be. It is rather important because, unless these names which ought no longer to be on the school register are cleared away, the Government will have to continue to pay the grant at the rate of £6 per pupil per annum. So, by clearing them off as and when they ought to be cleared off, it may save a certain amount of revenue to, the Exchequer. That is the sole reason for this Amendment. I beg to move.

Amendment moved—

Page 4, line 49, leave out subsection (6) and insert: (6) The regulations made under the said Section eighty shall prescribe the grounds on which names are to be deleted from a register kept thereunder, and the name of a person entered in such a register as a registered pupil shall be deleted therefrom when occasion arises on some one or other of the prescribed grounds and shall not be deleted therefrom on any other ground."—(Lord Walkden.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

Clause 5 [Amendment and consolidation of enactments as to provision of clothing]:

LORD WALKDEN

My Lords, there are a number of small Amendments to Clause 5, the first one being to page 5, line 9, to leave out the word "registered." That word is not now necessary. If it would be convenient, I am prepared to move all these little Amendments and to explain each one in turn, and then they can be put en bloc.

LORD LLEWELLIN

My Lords, so far as I can see, except for one or two Amendments which are completely drafting, the others fall together as a group. The noble Lord has put them down to meet the points which I made on the Committee stage—namely, that the local education authority should, if they thought it necessary, provide clothing to children whether they had insufficient clothing or—and this is what I wanted—where the clothing they had was unsuitable. The noble Lord has met me on all the points I raised and I think they all stand together. I would only add that I am much obliged to him for his assistance in meeting my points.

LORD WALKDEN

I do not know that I need explain them in detail. Some are consequential, some are drafting and others are purely to give effect to the undertaking to which the noble Lord referred. I beg to move.

Amendments moved—

Page 5, line 9, leave out ("registered")

Page 5, line 9, leave out ("other than a boarder") and insert ("not falling within the preceding subsection")

Page 5, line 11, leave out("registered")

Page 5, line 11, after ("pupil") insert ("not falling within the preceding subsection")

Page 5, line 13, after ("inadequacy") insert ("or unsuitability")

Page 5, line 13, leave out from ("clothing") to ("to") in line 15.

Page 5, line 18, after ("sufficiently") insert ("and suitably")

Page 5, line 19, leave out from ("clad") to ("while")

Page 5, line 23, leave out ("in attendance")

Page 5, line 37, leave out ("registered")

Page 5, line 38, after ("inadequacy") insert ("or unsuitability")

Page 5, line 40, after ("sufficiently") insert ("and suitably").—(Lord Walkden.)

On Question, Amendments agreed to.

Clause 6 [Recoupment to local education authority of cost of providing education for persons not belonging to their area]:

LORD WALKDEN

This is purely a drafting Amendment. I beg to move.

Amendment moved— Page 7, line 3, leave out ("section") and insert ("Act").—(Lord Walkden.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

First Schedule [Minor and consequential amendment]:

LORD WALKDEN

My Lords, this is a further Amendment to the First Schedule and it concerns page 12, line 11 It is rather more detailed and needs some explanation. It is intended to meet the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Llewellin, in regard to a somewhat different matter, and I hope it will clear away the controversy to which he made reference. The noble Lord explained that there is conflict of opinion between different authorities as to whether action should be taken against a parent by the authority in whose area resides a child who does not attend school or is not properly registered, or by the authority in charge of the school which he has been attending, but in whose area he does not reside. The Amendment is intended to clear up that point and to make it the firm responsibility of the authority in whose area the child resides to take action if his attendance is irregular or if he has not attended at all and has not become registered. Under this Amendment, it will be the duty of that authority to take action. But there are cases where children have no regular abode, such as children who travel on barges with their parents. I understand that there are quite a number of children whose parents go up and down the country in barges and take the children with them, and there are also gipsy children who live in caravans. The last part of the Amendment provides for those children, assures that someone will look after them and makes it decisive that primarily it is the

Page 12, line 11, at end insert—

("Section forty, subsection (2). For the words 'It shall be the duty of the local education authority', substitute 'It shall be the duty—
(Duty to take proceedings to enforce school attendance). (a) in the case of an offence against Section thirty-seven of this Act, of the local education authority by whom the school attendance order in question was made, or
(b) in the case of an offence against Section thirty-nine of this Act, of the local education authority for the area to which the child in question belongs (unless they are satisfied that proceedings for the offence have been or are to be instituted by the local education authority for the area in which the school is at which the child is a registered pupil), or, if the child does not belong to the area of any local education authority, of the local education authority for the area in which that school is'")
—(Lord Walkden.

LORD LLEWELLIN

My Lords, all I want to say on this Amendment is that there was a conflict in regard to the advice given to the Middlesex County Council and that given to the London County Council. I did not mind which way it was cleared up so long as it was cleared up and it was made certain which authority ought to take action. It seems a little more complicated than the simple way I had thought of, but I have no doubt that the noble Lord thinks this is the better way. At any rate, I am obliged to him for meeting the point which I had been asked to raise by the appropriate county authorities, who wanted the position cleared up. I think it has been cleared up now.

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

THE EARL OF PERTH

I would like to take this opportunity of thanking the noble Lord, Lord Walkden, for the trouble he has taken over my Amendment, and to say that I look forward to the receipt of the document which he has foreshadowed.

concern of the authority in whose area the child resides, and not that in which the school which he should attend is located. There may be an agreement between the schools. If the school over the border says: "We will look after that child although he lives in Area A," of course they can do so. But if they say: "He does not reside in our area. We are in Area B and he resides in Area A," Area A must look after him. The Amendment makes it clear which authority, in any given circumstance, should act, and I believe that ought to meet the point raised by the noble Lord. I beg to move.

Amendment moved—

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