HL Deb 03 July 1928 vol 71 cc812-5

Order of the Day for the House to be put into Committee read.

LORD DARLING

My Lords, in moving that the House do now resolve itself into Committee, I think it will save time if I explain in a very few words the meaning of the Amendments which appear on the Paper. Your Lordships will see that the Amendments are almost as long as the Bill in its original form. I introduced the Bill, as your Lordships know, after it had passed the House of Commons, and it was originally drawn by solicitors themselves. They are learned men, but they are more accustomed to drawing bills of costs than bills of a disciplinary character, and the consequence is that this Bill was found to be very ill expressed from a Parliamentary point of view. It has now received the minute scrutiny of the Parliamentary drafts man, and all the Amendments that stand in my name on the Paper are really only drafting Amendments to make the Bill perfectly clear for those who may have to interpret what was really intended—which it would not have been if your Lordships had passed it in the state in which it was introduced into this House.

Moved, That the House do now resolve itself into Committee.—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Motion agreed to.

House in Committee accordingly:

[The EARL OF DONOUGHMORE in the Chair.]

Clause 1:

Employment of persons struck off the roll or suspended.

1.—(1) No solicitor shall in connection with his practice as a solicitor without the written permission of the Society employ or remunerate any person who to the knowledge of such solicitor is struck off the roll of solicitors or is suspended from practising as a solicitor.

(2) Any such permission may be given for such period and upon and subject to such terms and conditions as the Society may think fit.

(3) Any solicitor dissatisfied with a decision of the Society under this section may appeal to the Master of the Rolls, who may affirm the decision or may give such permission as aforesaid for such a period and upon and subject to such terms and conditions as he may think fit.

(4) If any solicitor shall act contrary to the provisions of this section or to the terms and conditions upon or subject to which any permission has been given there under an application may be made under the Solicitors Act, 1919, to the committee constituted under the Solicitors Act, 1888, as amended by the said Act of 1919, and those Acts shall apply accordingly, and the committee may deal with such solicitor in accordance with their powers under those Acts.

(5) This Act shall not apply in the case of a person who has boon struck off the roll of solicitors at his own request.

LORD DARLING moved, in subsection (1), to leave out "struck off the roll of solicitors" and insert "disqualified from practising as a solicitor by reason of the fact that he has been struck off the roll of solicitors otherwise than at his own request." The noble and learned Lord said: This is a drafting amendment and I beg to move.

THE LORD CHAIRMAN

I understand that, these are all drafting Amendments.

LORD DARLING

Yes.

Amendment moved— Page 1, line 9, leave out ("struck off the roll of solicitors") and insert the said new words.—(Lord Darling.)

LORD HANWORTH

In supporting this Amendment, may I say that none of these amendments makes any change of any sort or kind in the Bill. There is no status known of a solicitor who has been struck off the roll. He is rather a curious person. He was a solicitor once; but he is no longer upon the roll and in that sense is not a practicing solicitor. Attention has been called to this and it is necessary to put in some such words as "disqualified from practising as a solicitor" and so on. May I also explain to your Lordships in regard to later Amendments that the appeal given to the Master of the Rolls is rather ill drawn in the Bill as it stands and the Amendments make it clear. The Master of the Rolls has certain powers in reference to certain cases which are brought before him, and the Bill needs a few words in order to bring it into line with those powers. Lastly, I may say that the only change, if change it be, is that a solicitor who comes within the ambit of the Bill may be dealt with more leniently by the Committee set up under Section 12 of the Solicitors Act, 1888, and not necessarily struck off the roll; a smaller punishment can be given him. That is provided for in subsection (4). Subject to that there is absolutely no change and the Amendments are merely drafting Amendments throughout.

THE LORD CHAIRMAN

In that case it will probably be in accordance with Your Lordships' wishes that they should be dealt with in a rather quicker form than usual.

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

LORD DARLING moved, in subsection (3), to leave out "dissatisfied with a decision of the Society under this section," and insert "aggrieved by the refusal of the Society to grant any such permission as aforesaid or by any terms and conditions attached by them to the grant thereof." The noble and learned Lord said: I beg to move this drafting Amendment.

Amendment moved— Page 1, line 14, leave out ("dissatisfied with the decision of the Society under this section") and insert the said new words.—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

Amendment moved— Page 1, line 16, leave out ("affirm the decision or may give") and insert ("confirm the refusal or the terms and conditions, as the case may be, or may, in lieu of the Society, grant."—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

Amendments moved—

Page 1, line 20, leave out ("shall act contrary to") and insert ("acts in contravention of")

Page 1,line 21, leave out ("to") and insert ("of")

Page 1,line 23, leave out from ("there-under") to the end of the subsection and insert ("he shall be liable to be dealt with in like manner as if he had acted in contravention of the provisions of Section thirty-two of the Solicitors Act, 1843, so, however, that, upon any application to strike a solicitor off the rolls in respect of any contravention of the provisions of this Act, the powers of the Committee constituted under Section twelve of the Solicitors Act, 1888, shall, without prejudice to their powers as to making orders as to costs, include power, in lien of striking the solicitor off the rolls, to order him to be suspended from practice for such period as they may think fit").—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Amendments agreed to.

Amendment moved—

Page 2, line 3, leave out subsection (5).—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

Clause 1, as amended, agreed to.

Clause 2 [Penalty for failure to disclose:]

Amendments moved—

Page 2, line 6, after ("is") insert ("disqualified from practising as a solicitor by reason of the fact that he has been")

Page 2, line 7, leave out ("or") and insert ("otherwise than at his own request or is")

Page 2, line 9, leave out ("his") and insert ("that solicitor's")

Page 2, line 10, leave out from ("informing") to ("shall") in line 11, and insert ("that solicitor that he is so disqualified as aforesaid").—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Amendments agreed to.

Clause 2, as amended, agreed to.

Clause 3:

Interpretation, short title and extent.

(3) The provisions of this Act shall extend only to England and Wales.

Amendment moved— Page 2, line 26, leave out ("extend only to England and Wales") and insert ("not extend to Scotland or to Northern Ireland").—(Lord Darling.)

On Question, Amendment agreed to.

Clause 3, as amended, agreed to.