HL Deb 22 July 1898 vol 62 cc777-8

Amendment proposed— Page 4, line 41, after 'benefices,' insert 'and to any other benefices or livings that are or may hereafter be in their patronage.'"— (The Lord Bishop of Salisbury.)

*THE BISHOP OF SALISBURY

My Lords, the object of my Amendment is simply to put the other patronage of the universities on the same level as the particular benefices and livings referred to in clause 7. I think your Lordships will agree that it is advisable that the universities should have power to elect by a Committee, and not in the present cumbrous manner. I therefore move my Amendment.

*THE EARL OF SELBORNE

I cannot say that I am very familiar with the case the right reverend prelate refers to. I understand that these livings are very few in number, and that this Amendment is considered necessary by the universities. The words of the Amendment will be a great inconvenience, because, at pre- sent, the universities have absolutely no way of deciding on the exercise of the patronage except through the cumbrous machinery of the Masters of Arts of those universities. Therefore, I can see no objection to the insertion of these words. But, if it were possible to have a fuller statement of the case from the university authorities, it would be very useful.

THE PRIME MINISTER AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS (The Marquess of SALISBURY)

My Lords, obviously it would be more convenient that some Committee should be appointed with whom this jurisdiction should rest. The summoning of all the masters of arts for the purpose of determining upon an incumbent for a university living, is a very cumbrous method of appointment. If this were not so small a matter it would have been remedied before.

Question put.

Amendment agreed to.

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