Lords Sitting of 8 May 1891

SAT FIRST.
Lord Annaly, after the death of his father.
NATIONAL ART COLLECTIONS.

  QUESTION—OBSERVATIONS.
  THE EARL OF MEATH,in rising to ask Her Majesty's Government to consider whether it would not be possible to increase the educational value to the general public of the national museums and picture galleries by the appointment of lecturers, or otherwise, said: I ask this question, my Lords, in no spirit of criticism and in no hostile spirit to these magnificent establishments. On the contrary, I do not suppose there is any one of your Lordships who feels greater pride or admiration for what our ancestors have done for the country in making these valuable collections of pictures and objects of art in Great Britain than I do; but, at the same time, I should like to know whether it would not be possible to make them of little more use to the masses f the people. I ask this question in all humility of Her Majesty's Government because it may not be possible to do so; but I should be very glad if those in authority would consider the question, for it appears to me there are certain reasons, and very forcibly reasons, why it is for the advantage of this country, if possible, to bring the masses of the people more into contact with the art treasures which are to be found in our museums. Those collections were made and purchased by our ancestors at a time when England may be said to have been governed by the cultivated classes. Every day at the present time England is becoming more and more governed by those who are comparatively uncultivated, and it appears to me there is a certain danger in the future in the people turning round upon the Government of the day, whatever it may be, and asking:—"What benefit do we, the masses of the people, derive from all these pictures and from these art collections that you have in the museums?
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  We have no time to visit them, and if we did visit them we should not be able to understand them. What is the good to us of all these old bones, these musty documents, these worm-eaten papers, these incomprehensible pictures?" Of course, there can be no doubt whatever that there is a very good answer to be made to that, but whether you could instil it into the brains of the multitude and get them to realise its force, is quite another question. Those of your Lordships who have been in the other House have no doubt remarked that those who call themselves specially the representatives of the masses of the people never grudge money which is expended upon their particular class; and I have myself remarked in the London County Council that in my most extravagant moments, and I am sometimes supposed to have very extravagant ideas, I have been supported by those who call themselves the representatives of the masses of the people. There can be no question to my mind, therefore, that if you could at once show the people of this country that all these art treasures for which you are giving large sums are really of some practical use to them and their children, they would not grudge the money. On the one hand, we know that when the country was obliged to ask for £70,000 for the purchase of a picture there was a great outcry among the masses of the people. Yet, on the other hand, we do not hear this outcry if it is a question of education. Although there was a certain amount of objection in the West End of London, there was no outcry in the East End when the School Board wanted to introduce pianofortes in the schools. Again, in the London County Council there has never been an outcry with regard to the expenditure which is going on upon open spaces. But, on the other hand, in Paddington, the other day—and Paddington cannot certainly be called much of a working class parish—when we wanted to have a Free Public Library, we were beaten by 4,000 to 2,000 votes. As your Lordships are aware, Public Libraries are not very numerous from the fact that the people do not yet perceive the necessity for their establishment in their midst. My Lords, I am bringing all this forward as an argument that it would have been wise for Her Majesty's Government to consider

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  whether they could not pay people at these museums and art galleries to explain the nature of their contents to the public, in order to make them of some real practical value to working people and their families. In New York the Trustees of the Natural History Museum are perfectly alive to the fact that they must do something to make that institution of real benefit to the people, or else they will not continue to receive the grants they have received from the Municipal Authorities of New York. They have, therefore, invited the various schools of New York to attend their Museum on certain days, and on those days it is given up entirely for the benefit of the school children of that city. The children are brought there by their teachers to the Museum, and they are met by lecturers who take them in classes and explain to them all that is to be found inside the Museum. Now, I want to know whether something of the same kind could not be done for our Natural History Museum at South Kensington. Our London children are as a rule totally ignorant of everything connected with nature, and with the natural objects they so rarely see in the country. Most ridiculous remarks are made by them when they go out for their, too often, one day's excursion only in the year; and there is nothing that would interest them more than to be told something about the birds and other objects to be seen in our splendid galleries at South Kensington. I can give a striking instance of the fear entertained amongst the trustees of these art collections of ours to expend money, and simply because they feel they are out of touch with the people, in connection particularly with this Natural History Museum. At the time when the collection of birds was in the British Museum there was a lady at work upon the artificial foliage and branches upon which the birds are perched. She was receiving a ridiculously small salary, and she asked for it to be increased. That was refused her, and when I went to New York I found her there at work. I was told that she was the only person able to do this very fine and beautiful work in the world, and the Americans had got her by giving her a higher salary by £100 a year. It did hurt my pride as an Englishman to be told by the
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  Americans that we could not afford a salary of £300 a year for such work as that produced, and which can be seen any day at South Kensington. As an illustration of what may be done in this direction of instructing the public in regard to works of art, I may mention that there is a very enterprising and energetic clergyman in the East End of London, the Rev. Mr. Barnett, vicar of St. Jude's, of whom your Lordships may have heard. He has established an art gallery and museum in his schoolrooms, and he devotes them for three days in the year for the purpose of an exhibition. In the list or catalogue of the pictures which is sold at the entrance, there is a full description given of each picture—a short historical account of it if the subject of the picture is historical, or if it be mythological there is a short explanation of it given, sufficient to let the people know the meaning of the picture and also drawing their attention to the particular points in the picture which are worthy of notice. This gallery is crowded, whenever it is open, with working men. I have been there this year, and I can say that they seemed to take immense interest in everything and to thoroughly understand what they saw in a way which one does not see in our West End museums and galleries. As another example: in Berlin the public parks are made use of for the teaching of botany: the Municipal Council of Berlin has devoted several acres of the parks for the systematic culture of different plants, a certain number of which are sent round every Saturday to the different schools in Berlin for educational purposes. I simply mention all these little instances to show that in other countries they are thinking of this work; and I know also that in some parts of France, lecturers are sent round on certain days with parties of visitors to explain to them the picturers which are hung up in the galleries. I shall not detain your Lordships any further than to express the hope that Her Majesty's Government may be able to suggest some means of making our art galleries and museums of more use than they are at present to the masses of the people.
  VISCOUNT HARDINGE: Before the noble Lord's question is answered I merely wish to state as one of the

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  Trustees of the National Gallery, that up to the present time some lectures have been given there, though not very often, but I am bound to say that, although the lectures might have been more frequent, no objection was made to their taking place; but if this is to be taken out of the hands of the Trustees and other people, other lecturers, are to be allowed, only upon condition of getting an order to go in with all their pupils and lecture to them on the pictures, much inconvenience may ensue. I very much deprecate the idea of paid lecturers, that is, paid by Government, and I cannot think for a moment that the Treasury will ever entertain such an idea in reference to the National Gallery. Again, it would be impossible to admit lecturers and their pupils on the copying days, when the galleries are crowded with easels. Another objection might be made on the ground of obstruction: a lecturer might decide that he would lecture on the Ansidei of Raphael, and he might spend an hour or so with all his pupils before that very picture, to the great inconvenience of the public, who wished to look at it themselves. In reference to the interest taken by the people in our art treasures and pictures, I recollect an ancedote which Sir Edwin Landseer told me: on one occasion he put his finger on one of his own pictures in the National Gallery when a working man came up and said, "Do not touch that picture, it is my property as much as yours." Working men, in the event of lecturers and pupils taking up space in the rooms, might want to assert their own privileges. All I can say on behalf of the Trustees is that they are perfectly prepared to facilitate any measures which may be adopted by Her Majesty's Government, but I must say I deprecate the idea of having paid lecturers, and that it would be much better to leave to the Trustees of the British Museum, and the National Gallery, or the proper authorities in the case of other institutions, the carrying out of any arrangements of the kind suggested.
  THE ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY: As one of the Trustees of the British Museum I would ask leave to say a few words in answer to the noble Lord, although I must premise that I have not, of course, had the opportunity of
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  consulting the other Trustees since I saw the notice of his Motion. But I can assure the noble Earl there is every anxiety on the part of the Trustees to utilise the treasures of the British Museum to the utmost. If lectures were to be given in a Hall either in that Museum or elsewhere, they might be illustrated by specimens from the British Museum. Specimens would be very much at the service of the lecturers, the galleries ready for further study, and exceedingly good and useful purposes would be served. I would point out, however, that the galleries of the British Museum themselves are by no means adapted for lectures to any large audiences. They have been expressly constructed for the exhibition of specimens, and for their examination by students. The rooms themselves are not adapted for the purpose, and it would be impossible to give lectures on a large scale there without running the risk of causing considerable injury to many of the objects, among and about which a crowd would naturally stand. I do not know whether the noble Earl is aware that there are many parties of persons, numbering from 20 to 50, admitted and taken round the Museum, while full explanations are given to them. The present Principal Librarian of the British Museum has not only encouraged those visits, but has frequently given such instruction to parties of working men who came in the evening. He is always ready to do so, and that is making a very valuable use of the Museum. To properly understand, and really appreciate, the collections in the British Museum, persons must already have had a considerable amount of education. One of the most remarkable and valuable features of these collections. is their classification, which could not come into popular lectures at all. The rarest and most precious specimens are selected and arranged there with scientific care. They are put, of course, in prominent positions, but are of no use there for popularclasses. Then, again, the visits of school children are encouraged in much the same way as the noble Lords says they are in New York, not, it is true, by public advertisement; but it is well known that school managers who make the necessary arrangements are welcome to take

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  their pupils to the Museum, and have full explanations of the objects exhibited given to them. There is, in fact, the greatest anxiety to utilise the Museum and its treasures for instructive purposes, and they are so applied already to a very great extent. The appointment of paid lecturers in the building as it is would, however, involve great difficulties, and would be by no means as useful for public or for ordinary educational purposes as the noble Earl imagines. The British Museum exercises an enormous influence upon education, but it does so by educating educators; by providing on the grandest scale for those who study and those who educate the public. Both at the Natural History Museum and at Bloomsbury excellent guide books are supplied and explanations can be obtained from scientific persons. It is in that way that the British Museum is able to exert its truest influence in the education of the young.
  THE LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL (Viscount CRANBROOK): I am extremely glad that the Primate and the noble Lord who has just spoken should have given their explanations with regard to the British Museum and the National Gallery. In reference to South Kensington, which is under my direction, I can state that the noble Earl is under a false impression if he supposes that lectures are not given there for I believe that every Saturday there are at the Museum five or six classes for children; objects are taken out of the cases and shown, and lectures are delivered respecting them. There are difficulties in the way of the delivery of lectures in the rooms where the objects are displayed every day. There are two classes of visitors to the Museum, the serious students and the sightseers, and if lectures were delivered in the exhibition rooms for the benefit of the students, the sightseers would inevitably crowd round to hear what was said, would perhaps get upon the objects, and would impede the work, besides doing a great deal of mischief. Therefore we are obliged to accommodate ourselves to the circumstances, and the only practicable method of lecturing is to lecture in separate apartments to which objects could be brought out of their cases. That can be done with
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  smaller objects, but pictures cannot very well be taken down for such a purpose. I may add that it has been found that in the absence of any special attraction connected with the lecturer himself these lectures are not very well attended. I can assure the noble Earl these matters are not only being considered but are to a certain extent being done so far as they can; and without taking officials from their primary duties of taking care of the valuable works entrusted to their charge, they are always quite ready to give whatever explanations they can. I do not believe that a system under which paid lecturers should be appointed would work satisfactorily. Such a system, I fear, would result in a dislocation of the ordinary machinery of the Museum, but I fully share the noble Earl's opinion that to make the Museums as useful as possible from an educational point of view is very desirable.

CHARITIES RECOVERY BILL.—(No. 84.)
Returned from the Commons with the Amendments agreed to.
CHARITIES RECOVERY BILL.—(No. 84.)
  EVIDENCE IN CRIMINAL CASES BILL [H.L.]
  A Bill to amend the law of evidence—Was presented by the Lord Chancellor; read 1a; and to be printed. (No. 121.)
PROPOSED MALTESE REGIMENT.

  RESOLUTION.
  EARL DE LA WARR: My Lords, I think I shall not be intruding unduly on your Lordships' time and attention if I ask you for a very few minutes to give your consideration to the subject of the notice which stands in my name. I believe I am right in stating that for some years past the attention of the Maltese people and also of the Council of Government of Malta has been directed to the subject, and a wish has been expressed that a regiment of Infantry should be raised by recruits from the Island to form a part of the British Army. This was very strongly urged of late by the Council of Government of Malta in an address to His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge. I will read a few words from that address to His Royal Highness, who will perhaps show better what is desired than I could impress it in my own words. This Address, which was I

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  believe presented to His Royal Highness during his recent visit to Malta, states—
  "We feel now encouraged by your Royal Highness' opinion of the fitness of the Maltese for military service"—
  in reference to some remarks which had fallen from His Royal Highness—
  "To submit what we know to be the present desire of the people of these Islands, namely, that a regiment of Infantry be raised in Malta for service in Her Majesty's Mediterranean possessions. The Militia Regiment would furnish at any time a good number of officers and men trained in military discipline."
  The Address goes on to say—
  "We venture to remark that considering the loyalty and the trustworthiness of the Maltese, the similarity of their climate to that of Egypt, Cyprus, and Gibraltar, and the familiarity of the Maltese with Arabic and the other languages spoken on the Mediterranean Sea, the formation of a regiment of Maltese may prove very advantageous to Her Majesty's service."
  I will not make further remarks upon the contents of this Address, though I venture to say there are other considerations in regard to the Islands of Malta which are worthy of your Lordship's attention in connection with this subject. There is a dense, and for many years past, a rapidly increasing population in the Maltese Islands. It is thought and it has been admitted by all who are interested in these matters, and who know the facts, that there is no better outlet for an overgrown population than by providing for its being drawn into the service of the British Army; and, I may add, to open the door of a military career to a loyal people who are much attached to this country is surely one of the best modes of relieving them of their superfluous population. Fully aware that I am no authority on military matters, yet I would submit to your Lordships that this is a subject deserving of your consideration as it would be of great benefit to the population, would increase the prosperity of the Maltese Islands, one of the most important dependencies, I may say, of this country, and would add greatly to the bond which now attaches them to the Throne.
  Moved—
  "That a copy of the Address to His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge from the Council of Government of Malta, with reference to raising a regiment of Infantry in Malta for service in Her Majesty's Mediterranean Possessions, may be laid upon the Table of the
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  House; also, other Papers relating to the same subject."—(Earl de la Warr.)
  THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WAR (Earl BROWNLOW): My Lords, there will be no objection whatever to lay on the Table of the House a copy of the Address to His Royal Highness the Commander-in-Chief, which has been asked for by the noble Earl. That Address evinces the strong feeling of loyalty to the Crown felt by the people of Malta, and a strong desire to take part in the defence of the Empire. Her Majesty's Government are fully sensible of the value of the spirit which has prompted the presentation of this Address to His Royal Highness. But advantage, I may point out, has already been taken of this feeling on the part of the Maltese people for the purpose of raising two very valuable corps in the Island. The Malta Artillery, formerly known as the Royal Malta Fencible Regiment, but converted into an Artillery regiment in 1871, took part creditably with the British Army in the Egyptian campaign in 1882. It is a regiment that is recruited to serve in the Island, but with the greatest loyalty they came forward at that time and volunteered for service in Egypt. The Malta Militia is, to a great extent, a new experiment. It was raised on the 1st of April, 1889, and they have in this short time raised themselves to such a state of efficiency that his Royal Highness on inspecting them was able to give them high commendation for their efficiency and smart appearance. The proposal put forward in this Petition is to raise a regiment of Infantry for service in the Mediterranean only. From a military point of view a regiment of Artillery would be more valuable than a regiment of Infantry, and, further, a regiment of Artillery recruited to serve in all parts of the world would be of greater value than a regiment merely raised to serve locally in the Mediterranean, and it has been calculated that the expense of a regiment of Infantry raised in Malta would not differ in any material degree from the expense of a regiment of British Infantry. There is no doubt that at present there is a great dislike on the part of the people of Malta to move very far afield, but it is hoped that possibly this feeling may be got over. I can only say that if this is the case,

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  and, if at some future time it is found possible to raise a regiment of Artillery in Malta prepared to serve in all parts of the world to which British troops may be ordered, I know that the Secretary of State for War will be exceedingly glad to give his most favourable consideration to any advice which may be given him on the subject by his military advisers.
  THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE: My Lords, as this Petition which has been referred to was presented to me during my stay at Malta, I feel bound to make some observations on what has just fallen from the noble Earl the Under Secretary for War. I entirely endorse every word he has said as to the superior value of a regiment available for general service, inasmuch as I am strongly of opinion that local corps are in themselves objectionable, and a wish to serve merely in the Mediterranean is in itself an objectionable idea. Such a regiment should, of course, be available for service in every part of the world. To us, in our position, that is very essential. At the same time I am bound to say that the feeling and spirit of loyalty at Malta is such that I should be very sorry to see anything like a damper put upon it or upon the military sentiment which now exists in the Island. When I was there I was extremely struck with the state of efficiency of the regiment recently raised as stated by the noble Earl who has just sat down. Two years ago authority was given to raise a regiment of Maltese Militia, and whilst I was on the Island that regiment appeared upon parade, I believe in its entirety for the first time. Nothing could be more creditable or satisfactory than the manner in which both officers and men turned out on that occasion, and I can assure your Lordships that as good a regiment of Militia has been produced by the Island of Malta as any one could desire to see even in this country. A feeling existed which first of all took shape in the idea that a second battalion of Maltese Militia might be raised, and if that could be done, I think it would be most desirable. But it went beyond that, and an idea was put forward that a regiment of Maltese Infantry should be formed which might be employed in the Mediterranean. I then made the remark that I thought it was to be regretted that there should be any restriction as to where that regiment
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  should serve, because, as I have said, I am one of those who are strongly of opinion that local corps are very inferior as a rule to corps which would serve in any part of the world. Still, I am bound to assure your Lordships that there is, I believe, a very strong feeling among the Maltese that a regiment might be raised in the Island for service in various parts of the Mediterranean, and I should be very sorry to say a single word which should damp that feeling. I quite agree with the Under Secretary for War that it would be far preferable if we could have a regiment of Artillery in preference to Infantry. We have two very large and important fortresses in the Mediterranean—Malta and Gibraltar —and, of course, the requirement of Artillery in both of those stations is very great. If, therefore, we could raise a regiment of Maltese Artillery, which should be liable to serve in both those places as well as in other portions of the Empire, I think it would be preferable to a line regiment. But I should be sorry to discourage any military sentiment which exists in Malta, and anything that might be said to the contrary I should regret. I am quite convinced that there is a most thoroughly loyal spirit now existing in that Island, and that the fact of a regiment of Militia having already been raised there has greatly added to that loyal spirit. I would further say that, as in Malta there is a very large population, it would be of great advantage that a considerable portion of that population could be made available for military purposes should an emergency arise. I sincerely hope that will never be the case; but should an emergency arise there would be so many more men available for defence, and if they were on service elsewhere, as might be the case, there would be fewer mouths to fill should the military situation involve that Island becoming dependent upon itself. We must always recollect that Malta stands by itself; that it would be difficult to support it from without in case of war, and that every man, woman and child living in Malta would have to be fed during any military emergency which might cut it off from the rest of the world. Therefore the more military spirit you can instil into the people of Malta for the purpose of providing troops not only for their own

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  defence but for foreign service the greater the advantage to the Empire at large. It is on those grounds that I would strongly urge that nothing should be done or said in this country which would damp the military spirit and sentiment which certainly now exist at Malta to a very large extent, and which when I was there was extremely gratifying to see. The warm feeling shown towards myself was I felt shown not to me personally, but was due to the fact that I was to a certain extent during the short period of my stay the representative of the Crown and Government of this country. Anything I could do to assist in spreading that loyalty and that spirit I can assure your Lordships I should be most anxious to do; and therefore I consider it my duty to say that though I think it may be very difficult at this moment—and I think it perhaps rather premature—to enter into any sort of arrangement as to a regiment such as has been suggested, I cannot help hoping it may be possible for the wishes of the Maltese, if they continue in this spirit, to be carried out, and that their services may be made available, but in the form rather of an Artillery corps than that of a regiment of the line. I thought it my duty to express that opinion; I expressed it at the time in Malta, and I am happy to do so on the present occasion.
  EARL DE LA WARE: May I ask the noble Lord whether he has reason to suppose or believe that the troops, if a regiment were formed in Malta, would not be willing to go on foreign service?
  EARL BROWNLOW: The offer was to raise an Infantry regiment for service in the Mediterranean only, and therefore I conclude they would not be willing to serve in other parts of the world.
  On Question, agreed.

LAW AGENTS (SCOTLAND) BILL, (No. 97.)
Read 2a (according to order), and committed to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.

MARRIAGE ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. (No. 118.)
Order of the Day for receiving Report of Amendments, read.
THE BISHOP OF LONDON: My Lords, I had intended to move a few verbal
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Amendments on receiving the Report, but I was not able, in consequence of Ascension Day intervening, to get them printed in time, and therefore I propose to move them on Third Reading. I will therefore content myself with moving now that this Report be received.
THE BISHOP OF CARLISLE: With your Lordships' permission, I desire to give notice that on the Third Reading of this Bill I propose to move an additional clause. I will state shortly now what the intention of it is. As your Lordships are aware, the Bill imposes some very special duties upon the clergy throughout the country with regard to the publication of banns. I think it will be obvious to anyone who is conversant with the work of the clergy throughout the country that there will be great danger of the requirements of the Act not being attended to, and of serious mistakes being made, unless some form be provided for the clergy in their banns-books for the purpose of enabling them to comply with this Act. As I have said, therefore, I propose to move an additional clause, the effect of which will be to make it incumbent upon the Registrar General to supply proper forms in accordance with the provisions of the Act, and to supply those forms to the clergy upon application. I may just say that I have communicated with the Lord Bishop of London, who sees no objection to such an addition to his Act.
Amendments reported (according to order); and Bill to be read 3a on Tuesday next.

EVIDENCE BILL [H.L.]—(No. 119.)
Amendments reported (according to order); and Bill to be read 3a on Monday next.

NEWFOUNDLAND FISHERIES BILL [H.L.]—(No. 114.)
Order of the Day for receiving Report of Amendments, read.
LORD DENMAN: My Lords, I could not hear the question put on the Second Reading, so I desire to make a few observations on the present occasion. I hope that the Government will proceed with this Bill. It has a few penalties which will have to be printed in red ink

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when it is sent to another place. It is not fair to call it a Coercion Bill. I hope, with Lord Norton, that colonial susceptibilities will not injure colonial interests nor feed factious opposition if it arises in another place, nor opposition from the Front Opposition Bench in this House. If a Bill had not been brought in, it would have been said that the Government would not support colonial interests. The United States Government is anxious to mediate, and all the great Powers are striving to prevent and frustrate war.
THE PRIME MINISTER AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS (The Marquess of SALISBURY): My Lords, I am sorry Lord Knutsford is not hero, but I have to move in his place some Amendments which are the result of the discussion in Standing Committee and which have had the assent of the noble and learned Lord opposite (Lord Herschell.)
Amendment moved on page 1, line 11, to omit all words after "full effect" to the end of Clause 1.
Agreed to.
THE MARQUESS OF SALISBURY: The next is on page 2, to insert after Clause 1, a new clause in substitution for Clause 2 to this effect—
"It shall and may be lawful for her Majesty, her heirs and successors, by advice of her or their Council, from time to time to give such orders and instructions to the Governor of Newfoundland or to any officer or officers on that station as she or they shall deem proper and necessary to enforce and carry out a temporary arrangement made with France for the fishery season of 1891, set out in the second schedule of this Act, and continuation of the same pending the arbitration agreed upon the second, third, fifth, sixth, and seventh articles of an agreement between Great Britain and France signed on the 11th day of March, 1891, and to give effect to the decision in such arbitration; and, in case it shall be necessary to that end, to give orders and instructions to the Governor or other officer or officers aforesaid to remove, or cause to be removed, any erections or other works whatever for the purpose of carrying on the catching and preparation of lobsters, erected by Her Majesty's subjects on that part of the coast of Newfoundland which lies between Cape St. John passing to the north and descending to the western coast of the said Is land and the place called Cape Raye, and also all ships, vessels, and boats belonging to her Majesty's subjects which shall be found within the limits aforesaid; and also, in case of refusal to depart from within the limits aforesaid, to compel any of her Majesty's subjects to depart from thence, any law, custom, or usage to the
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contrary notwithstanding. The provisions of section 13 of the Act of 1824 contained in the first schedule of this Act are hereby enacted and applied to the orders and instructions in the section mentioned."
I should say this new clause is precisely to the same effect as the provisions already printed. The object is to avoid the difficulty with regard to the lobster fishery which was pointed out by the noble Lord (the Earl of Dunraven.) There is no other object for it, and it is rather a more workmanlike provision than that contained in the Bill in its original shape.
THE EARL OF KIMBERLEY: As my noble and learned Friend, Lord Herschell, is not here, I merely wish to say that the clause has his entire approval.
Amendment agreed to.
THE MARQUESS OF SALISBURY: Then I have to move that the title of the Bill shall be altered by the addition of the words "and for other purposes" after the word "Newfoundland."
Amendment agreed to.
Bill to be read 3a on Monday next; and to be printed as amended. (No. 122.)

STATUTE LAW REVISION BILL [H.L.] (No. 77)
House in Committee (according to order): Bill reported without Amendment; Standing Committee negatived; and Bill to be read 3a on Monday next.
TRUSTS AMENDMENT (SCOTLAND) BILL.—(No. 108.)
Read 2a (according to order), and committed to a Committee of the Whole House on Monday next.
REFORMATORY AND INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL CHILDREN BILL.—(No. 125.)
Brought from the Commons; read 1a; and to be printed.

COMMITTEE OF SELECTION FOR STANDING COMMITTEE.
Report from, that the Committee have added the Lord Brassey to the Standing Committee; read, and ordered to lie on the Table.
House adjourned at twenty-five minutes past Five o'clock, to Monday next, Eleven o'clock.