HL Deb 31 July 1882 vol 273 cc200-1

Clause 18 (Power of guardians to borrow for emigration).

LORD DUNSANY,

in moving to amend the clause by inserting in line 40, after the word ("Ireland,") the words— ("or other public body, whether incorporated by Royal Charter or Act of Parliament, or not approved by the Land Commission or the Lord Lieutenant,") said, the Western Unions, which principally contained the distressed districts-had for their Boards of Guardians persons who were chiefly Land Leaguers, and who objected to emigration. To leave the working of the Act in their hands would render it simply inoperative.

Amendment moved, In page 10, line 40, after ("Ireland,") insert ("or any other public body, whether incorporated by Royal Charter or Act of Parliament, or not approved by the Land Commission or the Lord Lieutenant.")—(The Lord Dunsany.)

LORD CARLINGFORD (LORD PRIVY SEAL)

explained that the clause was an amendment of the Poor Law Act of 1879, and that, therefore, they could not possibly bring the bodies mentioned in the Amendment under the clause. He believed that the views of the Guardians of the Western districts of Ireland had considerably altered of late on the subject of emigration; they now, under proper conditions, favoured it. The Amendment, however, was ultra vires in that House, as a question of public money was involved.

Amendment negatived

Amendment moved, in page 11, line 2, leave out ("persons,") and insert ("families.")—(The Lord Oranmore and Browne.)

LORD CARLINGFORD (LORD PRIVY SEAL)

said, he agreed in the importance of family emigration, and no doubt much would be done in that direction. The substitution of the word "families" for "persons" would be inconvenient.

Amendment (by leave of the Committee)withdrawn.

Clause agreed to.

Remaining clauses agreed to.

The Report of the Amendments to be received To-morrow; and Standing Order No. XXXV. to be considered in order to its being dispensed with; Bill to be printed as amended. (No. 213.)

House adjourned at half past Eleven o'clock, till To-morrow, Eleven o'clock.