Lords Sitting of 17 July 1877

MINUTES.
SELECT COMMITTEE—Earldom of Mar, nominated.
PUBLIC BILLS —First Reading —Consolidated Fund (£20,000,000)*.
Second Reading—Registered Writs Execution (Scotland)* (144).
Committee—Report—Inclosure* (127); Saint Stephen's Green, Dublin* (134); Public Works Loans (Ireland) * (143); Companies Acts Amendment (No. 3)* (141).
Report—Universities of Oxford and Cambridge (146–151); Pier and Harbour Orders Confirmation (No. 2)* (113); Metropolitan Commons Provisional Order* (111); Open Spaces (Metropolis)* (149); General Police and Improvement (Scotland) Provisional Order Confirmation (Leith)* (137).

UNIVERSITIES OF OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE BILL.—(Nos. 114, 138, 146.)
(The Marquess of Salisbury.)
UNIVERSITIES OF OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE BILL.—(Nos. 114, 138, 146.)

  REPORT OF AMENDMENTS.
  Amendments reported (according to Order).
  Clause 18 (Objects of Statutes for Colleges in relation to the University).
  THE MARQUESS OF SALISBUEYsaid, that in pursuance of his promise to the noble Earl opposite (the Earl of Morley) on Friday night, that he would consider whether any addition was required to the 16th clause to enable the Commissioners to make provision for the Bodleian Library out of the funds of any Colleges—he had prepared a new sub-section to be inserted in Clause 18, as follows—
  ("4.) For empowering the College by statute made and passed at a general meeting of the governing body of the College specially summoned for this purpose, by the votes of not less than two-thirds of the number of persons present and voting, to transfer the library of the College, or any portion thereof, to any University library."
  Amendment agreed to; and inserted in the Clause.
  Further Amendments made.
  Bill to be read 3ª on Thursday next; and to be printed, as amended, (No. 151).

REVISION OF THE IRISH STATUTES.

  QUESTION. OBSERVATIONS.
  LORD O'HAGANinquired of the noble and learned Lord on the Woolsack, What progress had been made in

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  the revision of the Irish statutes? It was a work in which he took some interest, and he believed it was of importtance both to the practice of the law and the satisfactory administration of justice that statutes which were obsolete and useless should be removed from the Statute Book. The work of revision was of present value, and would be of very great advantage in the future, by facilitating the consolidation of the statutes and the codification of the laws relating to Ireland. As far as the English statutes were concerned, the work had made satisfactory progress; but in Ireland, he regretted to say, very little had been done. The Bill which he had the honour to introduce in 1872 provided for the revision of the Irish statutes only to the reign of Henry VII.—the year 1494—and there remained still some 40 or 50 statutes to be dealt with. Since 1872 nothing had been done in the matter. In 1875 another Bill was introduced, which, if it had passed, would have brought down the revision to 1726; but that Bill was not proceeded with, and during the last two years nothing more, as far as be knew, had been done. He wished, therefore, to know from his noble and learned Friend on the woolsack, what progress had been made, and what were the intentions of her Majesty's Government on the subject?
  THE LORD CHANCELLORsaid, he would willingly give his noble and learned Friend all the information he possessed. He must, however, point out that the question really related to the Acts of Parliament of Ireland previous to the Union. Legislation since the Union, of course, under the head of Imperial legislation, had been dealt with by the proceedings for the revision of the Imperial statutes. His noble and learned Friend was quite accurate in saying that the revision of the English statutes, although not yet quite complete, had made very considerable progress towards completion. The revised statutes had been actually published down to the year 1856; and that, of course, would include the legislation of Ireland as well as England since the Union. There came then the question of the ante-Union statutes. His noble and learned Friend had told their Lordships the Bill he introduced in 1872 revised those statutes down to the year
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  1494—certainly a very distant day—and there it stopped. The year before last a second Bill was brought into the other House proposing to bring down the revisal of the ante-Union statutes to a still later date. The Bills for the revision of the Imperial statutes were generally introduced in that House and sent down to the House of Commons, and it had been the habit of Parliament to place confidence in those entrusted with the work, to take the Bills on trust, and to pass them without examination. In point of fact, examination of measures such as these would be utterly impossible by Parliament. The Bills went into such minutiae that they must be taken on the faith of the draftsman, or the work could not be done at all. Parliament had, therefore, accepted the Bills upon the faith of those who had introduced them. In regard to the Bill introduced in 1875 providing for the revision of the Irish statutes, a different course was adopted. The Bill, after it had been read a second time, was met first by a Motion to refer it to a Select Committee. Their Lordships, of course, did not require to be told that a Select Committee with such a Bill before them would have found their skill and energy taxed to the utmost. The Bill was also met by an Amendment raising the question of the policy of revising certain statutes. There again, he did not need to remind their Lordships that if a revision Bill was to be made the subject of controversy as to the bearing of the statutes it dealt with, a very wide area of discussion would be opened up. The result of these Motions was, that the Bill had to be abandoned. Now, he could assure his noble and learned Friend that the Lord Chancellor of Ireland and the Law Officers of the Crown were extremely desirous that the revision of the Irish ante-Union statutes should continue; but, at the same time, he felt bound to point out that, if a revision Bill was to become the subject of hostile discussion, it would, have little or no chance of passing, because—however important it might be in a certain sense, other Bills would always have precedence of it. In fact, the chance of a Bill of that kind passing depended upon its being unopposed. If it were opposed, it was scarcely possible but that it should have to make way for other measures I of a more pressing nature. That was

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  the position of the question to which the noble and learned Lord had directed the attention of the House.
  House adjourned at a quarter before Six o'clock, to Thursday next, half-Past Ten o'clock.