HL Deb 28 July 1864 vol 176 cc2156-7

Returned from the Commons, with some of the Amendments, agreed to; some agreed to with Amendments; and some disagreed to, for which Disagreement the Commons have assigned Reasons.

Moved, "That the Commons Reasons for disagreeing to certain of the Amendments made by the Lords, and Commons Amendments to Lords Amendments, be now considered."—(Lord Stanley of Alderley.)


said, he could not understand why the Prorogation should take place to-morrow. He found that on the Minutes of the House a judgment was put down to be delivered on Saturday. There was no idea yesterday that the Prorogation would take place to-morrow. It was quite impossible to consider these Amendments. They had not even been printed. He protested against the haste that was being exhibited.


said, that with regard to the first Amendment, at all events, the noble Lord knew what it was.


said, he had no objection to that Amendment, but their Lordships generally knew nothing whatever about the Amendments, and therefore it was most unreasonable to ask them to agree to them.


also thought it most unreasonable that their Lordships should be asked to record their agreement with Amendments of which they knew nothing.

An Amendment moved to leave out from ("That") to the End of the Motion for the Purpose of inserting ("the Consideration of the Commons Reasons and Amendments be adjourned till To-morrow, and that the Reasons and Amendments be printed."—(Lord Redesdale.)

After short debate, on Question, Whether to agree to the said Amendment?

Their Lordships divided:—Contents 8; Not-Contents 18: Majority 10.

Resolved in the Negative.

Hawarden, V. Chelmsford, L.
Hutchinson, V. (E. Dononghmore). [Teller] Denman, L.
Redesdale, L. [Teller.]
Melville, V. Wensleydale, L,
Abinger, L.
Westbury, L, (L. Chancellor) Foley, L. [Teller.]
Harris, L.
Methuen, L.
Lansdowne, M. Monson, L.
Ponsonby, L. (E. Bessborough. [Teller.]
De Grey, E.
Ducie, E. Rivers, L.
Fortescue, E. Saye and Sele, L.
Saint Germans, E. Seymour, L. (E. St. Maur.)
Stratford de Redcliffe, V. Stanley of Alderley, L.
Sydney, V. Wodehouse, L.

Commons Reasons for disagreeing to certain of the Amendments made by the Lords considered: Moved not to insist on the said Amendments; on Question, Whether to insist? Resolved in the Affirmative: Commons Amendments considered; some agreed to, the rest disagreed to, and a Committee appointed to prepare Reasons to be offered to the Commons for the Lords insisting on their Amendments, and disagreeing to certain of the Amendments made by the Commons to the said Bill; the Committee to meet forthwith: Report from Committee of a Reason prepared by them; read, and agreed to; and a Message sent to the Commons to return the said Bill, with the Reason.