Lords Sitting of 25 July 1863

MINUTES.
PUBLIC BILLS—Second Reading—Rum Duty (No. 251).
Third Reading—Indemnity; Land Tax Commissioners' Names (No. 246); Promissory Notes and Bills of Exchange (No. 244); Poisoned Grain, &c. Prohibition (No. 243); Removal of Prisoners (Scotland) (No. 200); Charitable Uses (No. 152); Companies Clauses (No. 232); Railways Clauses (No. 238); Expiring Laws Continuance (No. 241).

TELEGRAPHS BILL.

  COMMONS' REASONS CONSIDERED.
  Commons' Reasons for disagreeing to certain of the Amendments made by the Lords to this Bill considered.
  The Amendments to which the Commons disagree not insisted on.
  On the Motion of Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY, the Commons' Amendments were agreed to, with a proviso in Clause 20 that the power therein given to telegraph companies to carry their wires over gardens in cities and boroughs, without the consent of the owners, should not apply to ornamental gardens or pleasure grounds; also with another proviso that in cases where the assent of the civic authorities only is required, public notice thereof should be given by the companies.
  Other Amendments amended: The remainder of the Amendments agreed to; and Bill, with the Amendments, returned to the Commons.

POISONED GRAIN, &c. PROHIBITION BILL— [BILL 243.]
Bill read 3a.
THE EARL OF CORK THE EARL OF CORK moved to omit from Clause 3 the words "ground or" confining
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the operation of the Act to gram laid in exposed places.
LORD REDESDALEopposed the Amendment.
On Question, Whether to agree to the said Amendment? their Lordships divided:—Contents 4; Not-Contents 13: Majority 9.
Resolved in the Negative.

CONTENTS.

Airlie, E. [Teller.]

Lyveden, L.

Wensleydale, L.

Boyle, L. (E. Cork and Orrery.) [Teller.]

NOT-CONTENTS.

Westbury, L. (L. Chancellor.)

Worcester, Bp

Foley, L.

Somerset, D.

Mostyn, L.

Redesdale, L. [Teller.]

Bath, M. [Teller.]

Saye and Sele, L.

Silchester, L. (E. Longford.)

Granville, E.

Saint Leonards, L.

Sydney, V.

Sundridge, L. (D. Argyll.)

ALKALI WORKS REGULATION BILL [H.L.] (NO. 215.)
"Returned from the Commons, with a Reason for insisting on One of the Amendments made by them to the Bill to which the Lords have disagreed; and with the other Amendments made by the Lords to the Amendments made by the Commons, agreed to: Reason, and Bill with the Amendments, to be printed; and to be considered on Monday next. (Nos. 257 and 258.)
STATUTE LAW REVISION BILL. [H.L.]

  OBSERVATIONS.
  LORD ST. LEONARDSsaid, that having been absent when this measure was considered, he had not the opportunity of expressing his strong sense of the admirable manner in which the Gentlemen who propared the Bill had executed their task. He desired to point out to their Lordships that the schedule of the Bill did not afford complete evidence of the amount of labour performed by the gentlemen who had prepared this Bill. Quite as much labour and attention were required to determine what should be left out as to decide what should be included in the schedule. He made this observation in justice to the two gentlemen, and to his noble and learned Friend on the Woolsack, who had directed and personally assisted them. These gentlemen, who had performed their work so admirably, were not, in his opinion, at all adequately remunerated. The sum of £700 a year was really no remuneration for the time and labour requisite for the

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  execution of such a work as this. And, besides the labour which was performed, the responsibility which these gentlemen undertook ought to be considered. If it should appear that with all their care there had been the slightest slip in the performance of their duty, they would be exposed to a series of attacks which might make any man tremble.
  THE LORD CHANCELLORsaid, he quite concurred with his noble and learned Friend, that the country owed a debt of gratitude to the gentlemen who had devoted themselves to this great work for a most inadequate remuneration. The whole expense of the revision and expurgation of the statutes by these gentlemen had not exceeded £3,160, which was much less than that expended on former Commissions of a like character. He agreed with his noble and learned Friend that a greater amount of remuneration ought to be awarded to these gentlemen.
  House adjourned at Two o'clock, to Monday next, Twelve o'clock.