Lords Sitting of 26 March 1839

MINUTES.
Petitions presented. By the Duke of BUCKINGHAM, from Anglesey, and Sligo, for recalling Lord Forteseue from Ireland; from two places, against any Alteration in the Corn-laws.—By the Earl of BANDON, from Bampton, and Lord REDESDALE, from Herefordshire, to the same effect.—By the Duke of BUCKINGHAM, from two places, against parts of the Beer-laws; from Herefordshire, against the proposed system of National Education; from Great Yarmouth, for Inquiry into Maynooth College.—By the Archbishop of YORK, from some place, against any further Grant to Maynooth College; from the Temperance Society of York, against selling Beer or Spirits on the Lord's Day.—By the Earl of MANSFIELD, from Dumfries, and other places, for Church Extension in Ireland.—By Lord WHARNCLIFFE, from Luton, and another place, for Amending the Poor-law Act; from York, for Inquiry into the State of the Church in Canada; from several places for a Uniform Penny Postage.—By Lord BROUGHAM, from Glasgow, in favour of Mr. Rowland Hill's plan of a Penny Postage.

CANADIAN PRISONERS.
Lord Broughamwished to know from the noble Marquess whether he had any objection to produce those papers which he (Lord Brougham) gave notice last night that he should move for this evening—namely "for a return of the names of persons tried for political offences in Canada since the 1st of October, 1837, with the result of the trials and of the sentences?"
The Marquess of Normanbyhad no objection to produce such a return,
Lord Broughamsaid that, in alluding to another class of persons, who had been condemned in Canada and sentenced to transportation, he did not wish to press the subject on their Lordships, or to raise any discussion, farther than earnestly to call the attention of Government to the situation of those prisoners. In consequence of what had passed last night, an individual had called on him and stated how deplorably these prisoners were situated. Some of them were men who had held a respectable situation in society, and were well educated; others of them had moved in a less respectable sphere of life; but they were all of them, though political offenders, thrust into convict shps, amongst thieves, swindlers, and bad characters of every possible description. He did hope that this matter would be seriously considered, and that a proper distinction and classification would be made. He believed that to cause such a consideration of the case he

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had nothing to do but to call the attention of the noble Marquess to it. The noble Marquess, no doubt, had nothing to do with the matter in the first instance; for he supposed things with respect to those prisoners had only taken their ordinary course. He was, however, of opinion, that the subject was one that required consideration. The noble and learned Lord said, he should take that opportunity to express a fervent and earnest hope that every exertion would be made by her Majesty's Government to settle our differences with the United States in an amicable manner, and to avert that most deplorable and greatest of evils, war. He was the last man in that House to counsel any course to the Government, and he was sure that if he did that their Lordships would not listen to it, that was calculated in any way to lower the honour or character of this country; for he felt how infinitely important it was that we should maintain that great name, and that warlike character, all over the world, which, thanks to our great naval and military heroes, we had achieved in every quarter of the globe. Through them we had been placed in that proud, commanding, and unquestioned station which we had long enjoyed; and holding which, it made it proper, prudent, and safe for us, without any possibility of reproach, without having our honour in the smallest degree soiled, or tarnished, or reflected on, to lower as much as possible our demands, in order that we might secure, he repeated, without blemish to our honour, the inestimable blessing of peace. That was, in his opinion, the ground and foundation on which her Majesty's Government ought to take their stand. He had the consolation of believing, of being convinced, that we were undeniably, clearly, and manifestly in the wrong; and, when a man or a nation was in the wrong, to acknowledge error did not make the case of either worse.
The Marquess of Normanbysaid, the cases referred to by the noble and learned Lord should be inquired into. He believed, however, that every thing had been regularly done. No doubt could exist as to the legality of the trials and sentences of these people. The returns required should be laid before the House.

THE MAURITIUS.
Lord Broughamsaid, he understood that the provisional
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order sent out from this country to the Mauritius relative to the emancipation of the slaves, had been negatived in the council there by a majority of one. He had been given to understand, that if that provisional order were not acted on, emancipation should immediately take place. He wished to know what had been done after that order had been rejected? Had the noble Marquess received information of any regulation that might have been subsequently agreed to by the majority of the council on the subject of emancipation.
The Marquess of Normanbyanswered, that a commission had gone out to the Mauritius, but he had as yet received no information on the subject.