HL Deb 03 June 1833 vol 18 cc237-8
Earl Roden

said, before entering upon the important Motion which was about being brought forward by a noble Duke, he was anxious to call their Lordships' attention to a breach of the privileges of that House. It was not, however, he must premise, his intention to propose to visit the individual who had been guilty of it with any punishment; but he thought, at the same time, it was most important to show to their Lordships and the public the manner in which reports of what took place in their Lordships House were made in that journal to which he referred. It would be in their Lordships' recollection that on Friday last a petition was presented by a right reverend Prelate, whom he did not now see in his place—he meant the Bishop of Durham. That petition was against any measure of spoliation of the Protestant Church. In the petition, there was an expression which gave rise to an observation from a noble Earl (the Earl of Suffolk), whom he perceived in his place. That noble Earl, with some warmth, said, "If the rights and privileges of the Church were inalienable, how had it become Protestant?" It would likewise be in their Lordships' recollection that a right reverend Prelate (the Bishop of Exeter), whom he did not now see in his place, informed that noble Earl, in answer to the question, "that the Established Church had become Protestant, not by attaching the temporalities of the Catholic Church, but by changing its spirit; and that the spirit had become more pure." Such was what transpired; but what he had to complain of was what appeared in The Times newspaper, for it was that journal to which he alluded. The noble Earl was made to say, after this, "That Henry 8th, taking possession of the property of the Church, was, after all, only making it more pure." Now their Lordships would recollect that no answer to that effect was made. Not a single word was said by the noble Earl about Henry 8th. What he (Earl Roden) complained of was, that the report which appeared in The Times newspaper was a gross breach of privilege. It was a gross breach of privilege that The Times paper, a newspaper of great notoriety, probably of greater notoriety than character— should put into the mouth of a noble Lord words which he never uttered—a speech which was never made. A noble Lord opposite appeared to smile. He (Earl Roden) thought it was a serious matter, that a newspaper should attribute to a noble Lord, and send it forth to the world as a speech of that noble Lord, sentiments which he had never stated. He (Earl Ruden) was not one of those at all anxious to complain of a breach of privilege in the publication of the proceedings of that House, but he was anxious that what was given should be accurately stated. He thought it important that the public should know what were the feelings and sentiments of public men; but it was mischievous to attribute to them sentiments which they never uttered, and thus become a means of deceiving the people. He should not have thought it worth while to notice this subject at all had this been a solitary instance; but that paper had been guilty of similar practices on other occasions. During the present Session, in the Debate which took place in their Lordships House on the system of Irish education, observations were made respecting himself and a right reverend Prelate not now in his place, as having been uttered by a noble and learned Lord not now in England—he meant the Lord Chancellor of Ireland (Lord Plunkett)—which had never fallen from the lips of that noble and learned Lord. Those observations were base and untrue. The noble and learned Lord, with that courtesy for which he was distinguished, waited upon him and the right reverend Prelate the following morning, and disavowed having used such remarks, and he was anxious to call the attention of the House to the report which had appeared that day in the newspaper. He (Earl Roden) told the noble and learned Lord, that it was too contemptible to be worthy of notice, and so no public notice was taken of it. But when such things went forth to the country as having taken place in their Lordships House, he thought it necessary to rise in his place and speak of them, in order that the country might be aware how little regard was to be paid to the reports of such a journal.

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