Lords Sitting of 31 August 1820

Preamble
The order of the day being read for the further consideration and second reading of the Bill, intituled "An Act to deprive Her Majesty, &c.," counsel were called in.
George Pinario was sworn as interpreter, at the desire of the counsel in support of the Bill, and Edgar Garston, at the desire of the counsel on behalf of the Queen. Then Lo uisa Demont was again called in, and further examined as follows by Mr. Solicitor General, through the interpretation of Mr. Pinario.
Did the princess, while she was residing at the Villa Viliani, make any tour to any place? To Monte St. Gothard.
Do you remember at what place in that tour she first stopped? At the Boromean Isles.
Did the princess sleep at the Boromean Isles? Yes.
On the day on which she slept at the Boromean Isles, where did she dine? I do not recollect.
Do you remember whether you dined at any inn on the road? I think they stopped at an inn at Varise, but I am not perfectly sure.
Had you ever been before at the Boromean Isles with the princess? Yes.
Did the princess sleep at the Boromean Isles upon the first occasion? Yes.
Do you remember the apartment in which the princess slept on the first occasion, when she visited the Boromean Isles? Yes.
Was that on the journey which the princess made from Lausanne to Milan, upon her first arrival at Milan? Yes.
What apartment was it that was prepared for her royal highness, and in which she slept on the first occasion on which she visited the Boromean Isles? The most elegant apartment that could be found in the Boromean Isles.
Is that the inn, or is it the palace Boromeo? It is the Boromean palace.
When her royal highness visited the Boromean Isles upon the second occasion to sleep, what apartment had been prepared for her? I do not remember the apartment that had been prepared for the princess.
Do you remember in what apartment the princess slept? Yes.
Did you upon the second occasion sec the apartment in which the princess slept the first time? Yes.
In what apartment did the princess sleep the second time? In an apartment remote from the former apartment.
Do you know where Pergami slept? Near the apartment of her royal highness.
Was the apartment, in which her royal highness slept at the Borornean Isles, prepared for her before her arrival or afterwards? As far as I can remember, it was prepared after her arrival.
What kind of an apartment was it in which her royal highness slept? A large room.
Do you remember whether there was any communication between that apartment and the room in which Pergami slept? I do not recollect.
Do you remember her royal highness go-mg to Bellinzona? Yes.
Did she dine at an inn at Bellinzona? Yes.
Where did Pergami dine? I saw Pergami sitting at table with her royal highness.
At the time that you saw Pergami sitting at the table with her royal highness at Bellinzona, how was he dressed? He was in his courier dress; he was dressed like a courier.
Did he, upon that journey, act as a courier? He was not riding on horse-back, but in the carriage; I do not remember whether he was courier, but he was dressed like a courier.
In what carriage was he riding? In an open carriage.
Was that the carriage in which her royal highness was riding, or a different carriage? It was another carriage,
Did her royal highness dine more than once at Bellinzona upon that journey? I believe not.
Did her royal highness return from that journey to the Villa Villani? Yes.
In what month, as nearly as you can re-collect did her royal highness go from the Villa Villani to the Villa d'Este? As far as I can recollect, the beginning of September.
On the journey to which you have been asked, did her royal highness stop and sleep at Lugano? Yes. upon our return.
Do you recollect the disposition of the apartments, the bed-rooms of her royal highness and of Pergami, at the Villa d'Este upon your first arrival at the Villa d'Este? Yes.
Describe first of all the situation of the apartment of her royal highness, through what rooms or passages you passed to gel to it? One entered into a dark anti-room, and after that into a small corridor or passage, then there were two rooms, and after the two rooms the sleeping-room.
Did the two rooms you have described as being before the bed-room, communicate with each other? They did communicate the one with the other.
Did the second of those rooms communicate with the bed-room? Yes.
Are you to be understood, that in going through the bed-room you passed through those two anti-rooms into the bed-room? Yes.
Describe now the situation of Pergami's-bed-room? The sleeping-room of Pergami communicated with the same dark anti-room which I mentioned before.
By that do you mean the first room which you mentioned? Yes, the first room.
Besides the communication between this dark anti-room and the bed-room of Pergami, was there any other communication between the bed-room of Pergami and any other place? Yes.
With what place? With the sleeping-room-of her royal highness.
What was there between the bed-room of! her royal highness and the sleeping-room of Pergami? A small very narrow cabinet.
Did any body sleep in that small cabinet? I never saw any body in it.
When the door that opened upon the dark room you have first mentioned from Pergami's room was closed, could any person get into Pergami's bed- room, except through that cabinet? I never saw any other.
Do you remember whether there was any other way into the bed-room of Pergami, when the door that opened upon the dark room was closed, except through the cabinet? I never saw any other passage.
At what hour did the princess usually go to bed at that time; the first time? Sometimes at eleven o'clock, sometimes at midnight.
Who used to go with the princess to the bedroom? Sometimes, when I was in the bedroom with her royal highness, there was only Pergami besides; sometimes, when I was alone in the princess's bed-room before her royal highness came, Pergami accompanied her royal highness into it.
Through which way did they come? Through the two rooms that I have described.
When Pergami had so accompanied her royal highness into her bed-room which way did he go, or did he remain there? He did not remain long; sometimes he passed through the two rooms already described, and sometimes through the door of the little passage; the cabinet served as a passage.
To the room of Pergami? The chamber of Pergami.
By a Lord to the Interpreter. — Of what country are you a native? A Genoese.
Mr. Solicitor-General to the Witness.—Did you remain in the room for the purpose of undressing her royal highness? Before her royal highness entered, or afterwards.
Afterwards? Yes; I undressed her every night.
After you had undressed her, which way did you retire? Through the two dark rooms which I mentioned.
Did her royal highness accompany you? Most frequently she did.

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When you say that her royal highness accompanied you, how far did she accompany you? As far as the last door.
Was any thing done by her royal highness with that door when you retired? Her royal highness locked it with a key.
Did that ever happen when Pergami was left inside? No.
The Solicitor Generalstated that the ques-had not been rightly interpreted.
Mr. Garstonstated that the translation had been given to the witness "within."
Did that ever happen when Pergami was left within, inside? Do you mean in the apartment of her royal highness, or his own apartment.
Did that ever happen either when Pergami was left in the apartment of her royal highness, or when he was left in his own apartment? Not in the apartment of her royal highness, but he was in his own apartment.
Did you attend her royal highness in the morning? Yes.
Did you enter the apartments in the same way in which you had been let out? By the same communication.
Did you ever make any observation in the morning, upon the door of her royal high-ness's bed-room that opened into the small cabinet, whether it was open or shut? Sometimes I found it half open.
Upon those occasions did you ever sec or hear Pergami? No.
Do you understand, that you are now asked as to the first time of the residence in the Villa d'Este? Yes.
At the time when you went to call the princess, did you ever see Pergami? In the room do you mean.
The question is not whether you saw him in the room, but whether you ever saw Pergami when you went to the princess? I do not recollect.
Did you ever in the morning, before her royal highness was dressed, see Pergami? Yes.
Where have you seen him? At the door of his room, calling his servant.
Have you ever seen her royal highness at the same time? Yes.
Where? At the door of the last room where she called me.
In what state was her royal highness with respect to her dress when you saw her? She had generally a mantle of silk which she put on in the morning.
Had she any thing else on? No.
What had Pergami on? A blue silk mantle.
Had that mantle belonged to her royal highness? Yes.
How near were they to each other in the situation you are now describing? About twenty paces.
Did any thing pass between them—any conversation, or any thing that you recollect? They spoke to each other.
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Were the doors open or shut? They were open.
In giving an account of this, are you speaking of one time only, or of more than once? I saw it several times.
Did you ever see her royal highness and Pergami on the Lake during the first residence at the Villa d'Este? Yes.
Alone, or with other people? Alone.
In what kind of vessel,a boat or a canoe?
A small canoe.
During the time of her royal highness's residence at the Villa d'Este did you ever see them walking together? Yes.
In what way did you see them walk together; separate or together? Together.
How, describe in what way? Sometimes her royal highness had Pergami's arm.
Do you remember the little Victorine at the Villa d'Este, during the first residence? Yes.
How did she address her royal highness? She called her mama.
Do you remember that happening before they got to the residence at the Villa d'Este? I do not recollect.
Do you remember whether Pergami dined with her royal highness during her first residence at the Villa d'Este? He generally dined at our table, the servants' table.
Do you remember upon any occasion during the first residence at the Villa d'Este, Pergami dining with her royal highness? Pergami dined once with her royal highness, as far as I recollect.
Was that before the voyage to Greece? Yes.
Do you remember, at any time, her royal highness coming into the room where you were at dinner? Only once.
Was that during dinner-time? Yes.
Was Pergami al table? Yes.
Was Pergami's mother at table? Yes.
What did her royal highness do upon her corning into the room at that time? She sat down at table by Mr. Pergami.
Do you remember at that time seeing Hieronimus? At that moment he was not at-our table.
Did you see him, did become in? He came in afterwards into the room.
Before he came into the room, did her royal highness make any observation, or do any thing? Her royal highness said, "I hear Hieronimus in the kitchen, I must go," and her royal highness left the room almost immediately.
Did you accompany her royal highness-upon the voyage to Greece? Yes.
Do you remember arriving at Palermo? Yes.
Was it on board the Leviathan? Yes.
Do you remember being on the deck of the Leviathan early one morning? Yes.
Do you remember afterwards going below? I did not go below after that.

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Do you remember seeing her royal highness after that? Yes, I saw her immediately after.
Where did yon see her? In her cabin.
Below deck? The cabin was not below.
On the poop? Upon the poop.
Was her royal highness at that time up or in bed? She was in bed.
Do you know whether Pergami had been in the cabin of her royal highness? I do not recollect.
Did her royal highness go to court at Palermo? Yes.
Did Pergami go with her? Yes Do you know whether he went in the same carriage? I do not know.
Do you remember arriving at Messina? Yes.
Did you reside in Messina, or in the neighbourhood of that place? In the neighbourhood of Messina.
Do you recollect how the bed-rooms of her royal highness and of Pergami, and countess Oldi, were situated in that house near Messina? Yes.
Describe their situation; what was next to the bed-room occupied by the princess? That of the countess Oldi.
Was there a door leading from the bedroom of the princess into the bed-room of the countess Oldi? Yes.
What room was next to the room occupied by the countess Oldi? That of Mr. Pergami.
Was there a door communicating from the bed-room of the countess Oldi into the bedroom of Pergami? As far as I can recollect, there was a small passage between the two rooms that communicated.
What room was there next to the room occupied by Pergami, beyond? My own.
Did you at that time assist her royal highness in going to bed, in undressing her? Yes.
In passing from her royal highness's room, did you go through the room of the countess of Oldi and of Pergami into your own room? Yes.
Upon those occasions, did you ever find Pergami in his room in bed? Yes, sometimes.
Do you remember her royal highness calling you at any time in the morning? Sometimes she called me in the morning.
In what way did she come to call you? Yes, sometimes she did.
To what place, to what door? At the door which was next to Pergami.
Do you mean by next to Pergami, the door that opened from Pergami's room into yours? Yes.
Did the princess open that door? Some-times the princess, sometimes Pergami.
When the princess opened that door, in what state was she in point of dress? In the same cloak which I have already described.
Had she no other clothes on except her night clothes? No.
Upon those occasions was Pergami in his
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bed? I never saw him in the morning in bed.
Upon those occasions was he in the room? Sometimes he was, sometimes not.
You have said that Pergami sometimes opened the door; when Pergami opened the door did you go into the room for the purpose of passing into the bed-room of the princess? Yes.
Did you find the doors between Pergami's room and the room of the princess open or shut? Generally I found them open.
Do you remember at what time her royal highness, at Messina, was in the habit of going to bed; whether earlier or later than she had been before used to? Sometimes earlier, sometimes later.
Did any body usually attend her at Messina, for the purpose of undressing her? Yes.
Every night? She did not call me every night.
When you did not attend for the purpose of undressing her, who did attend? I do not know whether it was my sister that helped.
Did you make any observation upon the conduct of Pergami and the princess towards each other, as to the manner in which the princess addressed Pergami at Messina? Yes.
State what expressions she made use of? Do you mean as to calling him generally.
Either when she called him, or at any other time, or when they were parting? When they parted she often called him "mon cœur," my heart.
Any thing else? Sometimes, "Adieu, mon cherami," my dear friend.
Do you remember on any occasion his asking to go to Messina? Sometimes I heard him ask leave to go to Messina.
Do you recollect what term the princess made use of upon those occasions? When they parted, "Adieu, mon cœur," or, my heart; "prenez garde," take care.
Have you heard them do any thing else upon those occasions? I do not precisely recollect.
Did you see or hear them do any thing upon any one of those occasions? I never saw him do any thing, but I observed they sometimes 'embraced on those occasions.
Mr. Garston.—I have heard but not seen them do any thing.
Mr. Pinario stated, that the word used might also mean "kiss."
By embrace, do you mean they kissed each other? Yes; I heard them kiss each other behind me.
Did you go on board the Clorinde, from Messina to Syracuse? Yes.
An English frigate? Yes.
How was Pergami dressed on board the Clorinde; do you remember; had he any great coat? As far as I can recollect, he had a blue great coat.
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time in the cabin of her royal highness on board the Clorinde? I remember I saw him once.
Where was her royal highness at that time? In the same cabin.
On her bed, or up? It was in the day-time, but she was lying on her bed.
Where was Pergami in the cabin? He was also on another bed by the side of her royal highness.
Did you remain any length of time in the cabin? Nearly half an hour.
When you say that Pergami was upon the bed in the cabin, was he sitting or lying? He was lying on the bed.
Where did her royal highness lodge at Syracuse; in what house? In a small country house on the other side of the harbour.
Do you remember the disposition of the bed-rooms in that house, her royal highness's bed-room? Yes.
Describe the situation of the bed-room of the. countess of Oldi and of yourself? The countess Oldi was in the same room with me, which communicated with the dining-room.
Was there any other room besides that dining-room? There was another.
By whom was that occupied? By the gentlemen of the princess's suite.
Was there a room upon the opposite side of the dining-room? Yes, the room of her royal highness.
Was there any private staircase in that room? Not in the room, but by the side of the room.
Where was Pergami's bed-room? Pergami's room was on the same side, above the little staircase.
To the best of your recollection, did any body, except Pergami and her royal highness, sleep on that side of the dining-room? As far as I can recollect, nobody.
Was there any thing between her royal highness's room and the bed-room of Pergami, except the small staircase you have described? I do not recollect.
You have stated that there was a small staircase near the bed-room of her royal highness, and that beyond that was the bedroom of Pergami; do you remember whether there was any thing between her royal highness's bed-room and Pergami's bed-room, except that staircase which you have so described? I do not recollect.
Was there a door leading from her royal highness's bed-room into the dining-room? Yes.
Did you observe her royal highness do any thing with that door at night? I have heard several times her royal highness lock it with a key after I was gone out.
When that door was locked, as you have described, would there still be a communication up the staircase between the bed-room of her royal highness and that of Pergami? Yes, there was a door in the room of her royal highness.
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Was that door on the side of the staircase by the staircase? It was near the little staircase.
Do you remember any accident happening to her royal highness's bed at Syracuse? I do not recollect.
Do you recollect whether any accident happened to the bedstead of her royal highness at Syracuse, whether it was out of order, or any thing of that kind? I do not recollect.
From Syracuse did her royal highness proceed to Catania? Yes.
Where did her royal highness reside at Catania? In the town.
Do you recollect the disposition of the bedrooms in the house at Catania? Yes.
Did the same disposition continue during the whole time that her royal highness was at Catania, or was it changed? There was an alteration for a few days only.
Will you describe what was the situation of the bed-room of her royal highness before that change took place? The sleeping-room of her royal highness communicated with the saloon, the drawing-room.
What room was next to the bed-room of her royal highness on the other side? My own.
Next to your room, what room was there? That of the countess Oldi.
Was there a communication between the bed-room of the princess and the bed-room which you occupied? Yes.
Was there also a communication between the room which you occupied and the room which was occupied by the countess Oldi? Yes.
Where did Pergami sleep? On the other side of a little yard which was in the interior of the house.
Was there any door between that yard and the bed-room of her royal highness? There was a door in the drawing-room, which went into the little yard.
Was there any door that communicated from the court into Pergami's bed-room? Yes, there was a door.
How long did Pergami continue to sleep in that room? For sometime, I do not precisely recollect.
Was he afterwards indisposed, unwell? He was indisposed for some days. During the time that he was so indisposed, what room did he sleep in? He slept in the room of the countess Oldi.
At the time when he slept in the room of the countess Oldi, did you continue to sleep in that room between the room of the countess Oldi and the room occupied by the princess? Yes.
During that time, did her royal highness go to bed before you? I recollect that one evening the princess went to bed before me, while I was at supper.
Did you see Pergami? No.
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was the door between your bed-room and that of the princess, was it open or shut? It was shut.
How was the door between your room and that which was occupied by Pergami on the other side? It was shut likewise.
Did you observe any thing during the night? During that night I made no observation.
Did you observe any thing in the morning? I do not recollect whether it was the morning immediately after, or the morning after that, the next morning, that I saw her royal highness come out of the room of the countess Oldi.
When she came out of the room of the countess Oldi which way did she go? She passed through my room in order to go to her own bed-room.
As nearly as you can recollect, at what time in the morning? At nearly ten o'clock.
Had she any thing in her hand, or nothing? She had a cushion or pillow, or two.
Were those the cushions or pillows on which she usually slept? Yes.
How was she dressed? She was not dressed; she was dressed as she was in the night after I had undressed her.
Mr. Garston.—The expression was, "as she was at night after I had undressed her."
Did her royal highness usually, when she was in bed, sleep in a night dress? I do not know.
Mr. Garston.—The reply to that question was, "I know nothing about it."
What dress, or what part of her dress did her royal highness usually sleep in, when she went to bed? I left her every night with a little white night gown.
When you saw her come through the room in the manner you describe, had she on a dress of that description? Yes, it was a little white gown which came in this manner, it reached as far as there [across the bosom.]
Was that the ordinary dress that her royal highness had on when you left her at night, after undressing her? Almost always, but sometimes she had a small cloak of silk.
Mr. Garston.—Not a small cloak, but a cloak of silk.
When you say, that she had a silk cloak, had she a silk cloak in addition to the small bed gown you have described? Yes.
You have said, that Pergami slept in the room that had been occupied at first by the countess Oldi, where did the countess sleep? In a small bed which had been put into her royal highness's room.
Where did the little Victorine sleep? In the same room.
During that night, did you hear the little Victorine? I heard the little Victorine cry.
On what night? That fame night.
By that same night, do you mean the night preceding the morning in which you saw her royal highness come through your bed-room? Yes.
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You have told us that Pergami, in consequence of his illness, changed his bed-room, and went into the bed-room of the countess of Oldi; do you recollect how many days that was before the time of which you are speaking, when you saw the princess come out of that room? I do not exactly recollect the time, but Mr. Pergami was three or four days in the same room.
Mr. Garston.—The witness said, "I do not know how long."
Mr. Pinario.—She repeats, "I do not recollect the time."
You are not asked to speak with precision, but was it one, two, three, or four days? I believe it was not more than one or two.
How long after that morning, as nearly as you can recollect, how many days did he continue to sleep in the room of the countess Oldi? I do not precisely recollect whether it was one or more; it is so long ago, I do not exactly recollect.
Was he sleeping there at the time of which you are making mention, when her royal highness came out of that room? Yes.
Do you remember, on the night before that of which you have been speaking, hearing the door of your room open? I heard the door of her royal highness open one night I was in bed, but I do not remember whether it was the night before that I saw her royal highness come out as I mentioned.
At the time when you heard the door open when you were in bed, was Pergami sleeping in the room before occupied by the countess Oldi? He occupied the same room.
[The witness gave her answer in French to this question before it was interpreted to her.]
At the time when her royal highness came out of the room as you have described with the pillows did her royal highness see you? Her royal highness looked at me.
When her royal highness looked at you, what did her royal highness do? She fixed her eyes upon me; she looked at me earnestly.
What did she do? She went on to her own room.
Did she say any thing? No.
Had you been in the habit of remaining as late as ten o'clock in the morning in that room? No, I generally went to breakfast at nine o'clock.
During the time that Pergami was sleeping in that room of the countess of Oldi, before you went to breakfast at nine o'clock usually, had cither the door of the princess's room or the door of Pergami's room been opened? I never saw them opened. During the time that Pergami slept in that room, had you ever been called to dress or to attend upon her royal highness before you went to breakfast at nine o'clock? No.
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Was her royal highness in her own room? Yes.
You were describing something that passed in the adjoining room in which were the countess of Oldi and Victorine, describe all which you heard during that night in that room? I heard Victorine weep, calling mama, and the countess Oldi endeavouring to soothe her.
At the time when her royal highness came through your room in the manner you have described, were you alone in that bed? I was up.
Was any other person in the room? As far as I can recollect, my sister was in the same room with me.
Do you recollect whether your sister was up or in bed? My sister was up.
When her royal highness first saw you in the morning, was she in the habit of saying any thing to you; how did she address you? She generally said to me, "Good morning."
When you saw her upon that occasion, did she say any thing either to you or to your sister? She said nothing to me at all.
While her royal highness was at Catania, was her picture painted by any person? Yes.
Do you remember the name of the artist by whom the picture was painted? No.
Do you know in what character she was painted? As the princess was also painted at Augusta, I do not exactly recollect how she was painted at Catania.
As you have spoken of Augusta and the painting there, do you recollect in what character she was painted there? Yes.
In what character? As a Turkish woman.
Did you ever see any other picture painted of her royal highness upon that voyage, besides the one you have mentioned at Augusta? I have seen another portrait.
What was that other portrait, in what character? As a penitent Magdalen.
Do you remember in what place in Sicily? At Augusta.
How much of the person of her royal highness did that picture represent, the head, or more than the head? As far as the waist.
How was the upper part of the person, covered or uncovered in the picture? Uncovered.
How was the breast, was that covered or uncovered? Uncovered.
Mr. Garstonstated that the other interpreter had used the word "Gorge" in putting the question, and that that means the neck rather than the bosom; that it is sometimes used to imply it, but not generally.
You have described that a part of the person was uncovered, how low did the part that was uncovered extend? As far as here. [Passing her hand across her breasts.]
Were the breasts covered or uncovered? It was uncovered as far as here, about the middle of it.
Besides the two pictures you have described of her royal highness, was there any
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other picture painted of her royal highness whilst she was in Sicily? Another portrait was taken.
Where was that portrait taken, at what place, as far as you can recollect? I do not know whether it was at Catania or Augusta.
In what character was that third portrait? In a common dress, as her royal highness used to dress.
This portrait of her royal highness in the character of a Magdalen; did you ever see that portrait in the possession of any person? Pergami showed it me one day at Augusta.
With respect to the second portrait, of which you have made mention of her royal highness in a Turkish character, did you ever see that portrait afterwards in the possession of any one? No.
Do you know whether the portrait of Pergami was taken? Yes.
Did you see at Naples any portrait of Pergami? Yes.
In whose possession did you see that portrait of Pergami at Naples? Is it at Naples I am asked to?
Yes, the question refers to the time at Naples? In nobody's possession.
Where was it you saw it? Pergami showed it to me.
You have stated that Pergami's portrait was painted in Sicily, in what character? In a common dress.
Was there more than one picture of Pergami painted in Sicily? Yes.
In what character was the second? As a Turk.
How was the dress arranged about the upper part of the person, was it open or closed? According to the Turkish custom it was open as far as here [the upper part of the chest.]
Were there more than those two portraits of which you have been speaking, painted in Sicily? There have been more.
Did you ever see any of those portraits in the possession of any other person? I have seen a portrait of her royal highness in the possession of the countess Oldi.
You have told us you have seen different portraits of Pergami painted; did you ever see any of those portraits in the possession of any person? I saw one of them once in a little box belonging to her royal highness.
Which of those pictures you have described was it? That in the Turkish character.
Do you know whether her royal highness assisted at all in adjusting the dress for the purpose of either of those portraits being taken? Her royal highness made up the turban of Mr. Pergami
Did she do any thing else to any other part of the dress? I do not recollect.
Did her royal highness ever say any thing' to you about the dress, or the manner in which he looked best? I do not recollect.
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Did he receive any other title either at Catania or at Augusta? At Augusta he was baron della Franchina.
How long did her royal highness remain in the whole at Catania? Nearly one month.
Do you remember, on her arrival at Augusta, the house in which her royal highness resided? Yes.
Do you remember, in that house, the disposition of the bed-rooms of her royal highness and Pergami? Yes.
Describe them? They were separated by a small yard, a passage, and a little room in which nobody resided.
Did that continue during the whole time that her royal highness was at Augusta, or was that afterwards changed? There was a change.
When that change took place, where was the bed-room of Pergami? Pergami's sleeping room was near to that of her royal highness.
Was there any communication between the bed-room of Pergami, and the bed-room of her royal highness? Yes, there was a door. Did that door lead immediately from the one room into the other? Yes.
Where was the bed-room which was occupied by you? By the side of that of Mr. Pergami.
Was there a door leading from the bedroom of Pergami into your room? Yes.
What was done with that door at night? It was always shut at night.
When you say it was always shut at night, what do you mean, was it merely shut or locked? I heard Pergami sometimes try whether it was locked.
Describe more particularly what you have said just now, what you saw Mr. Pergami do? Mr. Pergami was in his room, and was trying to find if the door was locked with a key.
At Augusta did you assist her royal highness in undressing? Yes.
After you had retired to your room, and after you had so assisted her royal highness to undress, did you hear any thing in the room of Pergami? I sometimes heard a whispering in the room of Mr. Pergami.
Who was it that you heard whispering in the room of Mr. Pergami? I cannot precisely say, because I merely heard a whispering.
Where did her royal highness breakfast at Augusta? I do not recollect.
Do you recollect where Pergami breakfasted? I do not recollect, bull saw once a breakfast tray in the room of Mr. Pergami.
In answer to the question put, you stated you had seen her royal highness arrange the turban for the picture, did you ever see the princess arrange, or do any thing to any oilier part of the dress of Pergami for any of the other pictures? Yes.
State what that was? Her royal highness arranged the neck of his shirt, opening it.
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Did her royal highness say any thing; what observation did she make? Her royal highness said she liked it better so, or him, belter so.
Have the goodness to repeat the words which her royal highness made use of, as if you were speaking them? When the shirt was opened, she said, "I like either him, or it better so."
Interpreter.— The words of the witness are, "Je l'aime micux comme ca."
Mr. Garston.—She was speaking in the presence of Pergami, and consequently it seems, therefore, that it applied rather to the position of the shirt than to the person.
Did you go on board the polacre, the Industry, at Augusta? Yes.
Do you remember where Pergami slept in the early part of the voyage, the first day or two? As far as I can recollect, in a small cabin near the eating cabin.
Was the sleeping place of Pergami afterwards changed? Yes.
Where did he sleep afterwards? In the dining cabin.
How many doors were there leading into that dining-cabin? There were two doors.
Were they both open, or was one of them closed? One of them was open, and the other closed or shut.
Was the door which was open on the side on which Pergami slept or on the opposite side? As far as I recollect, it was on the other side.
Where did you yourselfsleep? By the side of the door which was open.
How long did Pergami continue to sleep in the dining-room? As far as I can recollect, as far as Jaffa.
Did any body sleep in the dining-room besides Pergami? I never saw but one bed in the dining-cabin.
Where did her royal highness sleep? In a cabin near the place where Pergami's bed was. Where did the countess Oldi sleep? In a cabin on the other side.
Was the cabin in which the countess of Oldi slept, the cabin that communicated with the dining-room? Yes.
Were those three persons the only three that slept there? Yes.
Was the door of the dining-room shut, or open, at night? It was shut.
By shut, do you mean merely closed, or locked? I merely saw it shut; I cannot say whether it was locked with a key.
Did you ever go into the dining-room when Pergami was in bed? Yes.
Did you ever see her royal highness in bed at the same time? Yes.
Was the door opening from her royal high-ness's cabin into the dining-room, open or shut? Sometimes it was open, sometimes it was shut.
Did you ever see it open when Pergami was in bed, and when her royal highness was also in bed? Yes.

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At the time when it was so open, and when they were both in bed, can you state any thing which passed between them, whether they conversed together, or how? I saw them twice speaking together.
Did you land with her royal highness at Tunis? Yes.
Where did her royal highness lodge at Tunis, and where did she reside? At first in the British consul's house at Tunis, afterwards in a palace belonging to the bey of Tunis.
Do you remember the situation of the apartments, the bed-rooms of her royal highness and Pergami, in the palace of the bey at Tunis? Yes.
Describe them? They were separated by a room, which was occupied by nobody, and a small cabinet, or passage.
Do you know whether any other persons of the suite slept near that place? The countess Oldi, my sister, and myself.
Did the room in which your sister and yourself slept open into that room in which there was nobody? Yes.
Did any other room, except yours and that of the countess of Oldi, and the other two you have mentioned, open into that room? No.
Was there any other door leading from that room you have described in which no person slept? I saw none at all.
Was there any door which was closed at night in that room? Yes.
Which door was that? The door which led into the yard into an inner yard which was in the house.
When that door was shut, could any other persons have access to that room or to the sleeping apartments? I do not know.
Do you remember going to Utica? Yes.
Where did you reside at Utica? In a small country house.
Do you know the situation of the apartments of her royal highness and of Pergami at Utica? I do not know at Utica where Mr. Pergami slept.
Do you know at Tunis where Pergami slept? Yes.
Where did he sleep at Tunis? In a room which was near to ours.
Did you at any time at Tunis, in the morning, before her royal highness had left her bed-room, see Pergami? I do not recollect.
Do you state that you do not know where Pergami slept at Utica? I do not know where he slept at Utica.
Did you in the morning at Utica, before her royal highness had left her bed-room, see Pergami? Yes.
Was it before her royal highness was out of bed or not? Before her royal highness was up.
What did you see Pergami do? Pergami passed through our room and went into her royal highness's room.
How long did he remain there? I do not recollect.
Did you afterwards go into the room? I
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only went to the threshold of the door her royal highness asked me for something.
Did you see whether her royal highness was still in bed? I saw that her royal highness was still in bed.
Was Pergami still in the room? Pergami was in the room.
After her royal highness had spoken to you, what did you do; did you go into the room, or did you retire? I withdrew.
Do you remember going, while you were at Tunis, to a place called Zavouan? Yes.
Do you know in what room her royal highness slept at Zavouan? Yes.
Do you know what room was appropriated for the bed-room of Pergami? I do not recollect.
Do you know where the countess Oldi slept? In the same room where I slept.
What room was there adjoining to the bedroom of her royal highness? The room in which her royal highness dined.
Did you see the bed of her royal highness in the morning? Yes.
Did it appear as if one person only had slept in it, or more than one? It seemed to be much in disorder.
Can you say, according to your judgment, looking at the bed, whether one or two persons had slept in it? I cannot say that two persons had slept in the bed, but it rather appeared to me that two persons had slept in it rather than one.
Why so? I have already told you, because it seemed in great disorder.
Did you embark at Tunis again, for the purpose of prosecuting your voyage? Yes.
You went to Constantinople, and afterwards, in the course of your voyage, did you get to Saint Jean d'Acre? Yes.
Did you go to Jerusalem? Yes.
Where did you land for the purpose of going to Jerusalem? At St. Jean d'Acre.
Do you remember being at a place called Aum? Yes.
How many did your party, as nearly as you can recollect, consist of: you and your attendants at Aum? I cannot say precisely.
Did you sleep in any house at Aum, or did you encamp? We slept under tents.
Did her royal highness sleep under a tent? Yes.
Describe that tent; was it a single tent or a double tent? As far as I can recollect, it was double.
Was there any bed or bedstead placed under that tent? There were two small beds in this tent.
Did you go to the tent for the purpose of assisting in undressing her royal highness? Yes.
Was she undressed as usual? Yes.
Did you leave her undressed in bed, or up? I left her undressed, and she was lying on her bed.
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How was he, dressed or undressed, or pertly undressed? He was dressed, but he had no coat on.
When you retired, did you leave them both there? Yes.
At what time in the evening did you pursue your journey? Nearly at six o'clock.
Did you see the other gentlemen of the suite come out of their tents? Yes.
Did you see Pergami come out of a tent? No.
Where did you see Pergami? During the day do you mean.
Where'did you see Pergami in that evening, about the time when you were preparing to continue your journey? I saw Pergami near the tent of her royal highness.
Was he dressed, or how? As he had been dressed in the morning, without his coat.
When you say you saw him near the tent of her royal highness, where did you see him first, did you see him come out of any place? I saw him near the tent of her royal highness, but I do not recollect whether he had come out of any place.
You have stated, that you left her royal highness in the morning when she retired to rest upon the bed in the tent, and that you left Pergami there also; were the sides of the tent put down at that time, or were they not put down? As far as I can recollect, it was shut on all sides.
Did you assist her royal highness in dressing in the evening before she commenced her journey? I do not recollect.
Did you again in the course of that journey, before you arrived at Jerusalem, sleep in tents? Yes.
Did her royal highness sleep under the fame tent as before? Yes.
Were there two beds under the tent the second time? Yes.
Did you undress her royal highness the second time? As far as I can recollect, I think it was my sister that undressed her.
Do you remember where her royal highness resided when she was at Jerusalem? Yes.
Where was it? In a house which belonged to a convent, as far as I recollect.
Do you remember the situation of the bedrooms of her royal highness, and Pergami, and the countess of Oldi, in that house? Yes.
State how they were situate? They were on the same gallery, all the three.
By being in the same gallery, do you mean that the doors of the respective rooms opened into that gallery? Yes.
Were there any other rooms of the suite that opened into that gallery? As far as I can recollect, there was no other.
Do you remember, whether there was any door at the end of the gallery? There was a door to go down.
Do you know whether that door was closed? I do not recollect.
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you were at Jerusalem, seeing Pergami in the bed-room of her royal highness? Yes.
Where was he in the bed-room of her royal highness? He entered the room of ber royal highness as I was there, and threw himself on the bed in a ludicrous way, or jesting way.
Was her royal highness in the room at the time? Yes.
Did he remain on the bed? Not long.
During the day-time, while you were at Jerusalem, did you see her royal highness and Pergami in the gallery you have described? I sometimes saw her in the morning in the gallery.
Was Pergami there? Yes.
What were they doing? They spoke together.
Can you describe what you saw them doing there, during the time they were at Jerusalem, in the galfery? I recollect nothing, but seeing them talk together.
At the time you saw them in the gallery, how was her royal highness dressed? With her morning cloak.
Had she any other part of her dress on? She had the same dress on as I have already said that she had, when she was going to bed.
You have stated, that Pergami slept in the dining-room on board the vessel, and that her royal highness slept in her cabin, until they arrived at Jaffa; where did her royal highness sleep afterwards on board the ship? On the deck.
Was there any tent on the deck? Yes.
Was there any bed under the tent? There were two small beds.
Did her royal highness sleep in one of those beds? Yes.
Did you assist in undressing her? No.
Who did? I do not know.
Did any body sleep in the other bed? Mr. Pergami.
Did that continue during the whole voyage from Jaffa to Italy? Yes.
While her royal highness slept in the cabin near the dining-room, where did the little Victorine sleep? I do not know whether she slept in the cabin of her royal highness or in that of the countess Oldi.
After her royal highness went to sleep on the deck, who slept in the cabin which had been before occupied by her royal highness? The little Victorine, and my sister, and I, by turns, to take care of the little one.
What became of the bed that had been occupied by Pergami in the dining-room? I do not recollect.
Do you recollect her royal highness bathing on board the vessel? Yes.
Did she bathe more than once? I only recollect her bathing twice.
Who went with her? Mr. Pergami.
Did they both come up together afterwards, or did Mr. Pergami come up first? Mr. Pergami came to call me on the deck, to go and dress her royal highness.

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At the time when you were so called by Pergami to go and dress her royal highness, how long had they been together? Nearly three quarters of an hour.
Who assisted in getting the water for that bath? I saw Theodore Majoochi by the side of the door with a pail of water in his hand.
Have you ever seen her royal highness and Pergami under that tent on board the vessel in the day-time? Yes.
Once, or often? Often.
How did her royal highness employ herself on board the vessel? She worked often for little Victorine.
Do you remember her ever working for any body else? I do not recollect.
You have mentioned that when her royal highness went down to the bath, Pergami came up to desire you to dress her; when you went down, in what state did you find her royal highness? She was in her own cabin, standing.
Had she any clothes on? The same dress that I said she had in the evening, when I undressed her.
That was her bed-gown? It was her bed-gown.
Did you assist then in dressing her? Yes.
You have been asked how her royal highness employed herself on board the vessel; state how you saw Pergami employed? He was almost the whole day lying down on his bed.
When you talk of his being the whole day lying on his bed, what bed do you mean, after you left Jaffa? A little bed which was on deck under the tent.
When you saw him first in the morning, what dress had he on? He had a kind of Greek gown with wide sleeves.
Did you ever see him do any thing to amuse her royal highness? Yes, sometimes.
Describe it, state what you mean? Different tricks or jokes; once I saw him take a cushion and put it under his gown and walk about the deck.
When you say he put this cushion under his gown, do you mean that he put it in front? Yes.
Did you observe what her royal highness did? She laughed.
Do you remember any shirts being made on board, or any thing about any shirts? As far as I can recollect, the countess Oldi made shirts for Mr. Pergami.
Do you remember the princess doing any thing? She often was at work.
Did she do or say any thing about those shirts? She said that she would make them herself.
What passed upon that occasion; state the whole conversation as nearly as you can recollect? Her royal highness said to Pergami that she wished to make those shirts herself.
Did you or any other person in your presence, say any thing to her royal highness on the subject? Pergami said he wanted to have some shirts made, her royal highness said she Would make them herself.
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What did Pergami reply to that? He smiled only.
Are those the shirts that were in fact made by the countess Oldi? I do not know whether they are the same shirts, but the countess Oldi made some shirts on board.
Did Pergami ever give any thing to you to mend on board the vessel? Sometimes.
Do you remember any thing passing upon that occasion? I do not recollect.
What was it that he gave you to mend? I cannot recollect at present.
Where did you land yourself in Italy? Near Terracina at Campo d'Anza.
Did you return to the Villa d'Este? Yes.
Upon your return to the Villa d'Este, or shortly afterwards, was any change made in the situation of the bed-room of her royal highness? Yes, some time afterwards.
Before going particularly into that, was there any order conferred upon Pergami at Jerusalem? Yes.
What order? The order which is called the order of Saint Sepulchre, the order of the Holy Sepulchre.
Was there any other order instituted at Jerusalem? The order of St. Caroline was instituted, but I do not recollect exactly whether it was at Jerusalem or on board the vessel.
Was that order, or any situation or rank in that order, conferred upon Pergami by her royal highness? Mr. Pergami was to be the grand master of this order.
Was he in fact appointed grand master of the order? Yes.
Did he afterwards wear the decoration of the order? Yes.
You were stating that after your return to the Villa d'Este a change was made in the situation of the bed-room of her royal highness, how long was that after your return? Nearly three weeks after, as far as I can recollect.
Do you recollect the new situation of the bed-room of her royal highness? Yes.
Had it an interior communication with the bed-room of Pergami? Yes.
How did her new bed-room communicate with the rest of the house; was there any corridor or passage? There was a corridor which communicated with the rest of the house.
Was there any door at the extremity of that corridor? Nearly at the middle of this corridor there was a door.
Was that door open, or shut at night? It was shut at night.
In consequence of this new disposition of the apartments, was any alteration made in the wall of the intermediate room? I saw masons at work in order to make an opening in the wall in a room near that of her royal highness, for the purpose of opening a door.
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through that opening that had been so made? Yes.
Do you remember, upon your return to the Villa d'Este, whether any new table was formed, any dining table for the relations of Pergami? Yes.
Who dined at this table? The mother of Mr. Pergami, his sister Faustina, his brother Louis, and one of his cousins.
What was the name of that cousin, do you recollect? He was called Pergami.
Did he hold any, and if so, what office? He was accountant.
What situation did Louis Pergami at that time hold? At our return he was made prefect of the palace.
Was Faustina a married woman? Yes.
Where was her husband? In the house with her.
You have stated before, that the mother of Pergami was called "Nonna," how was she called after your return from Greece? Donna Livia.
Do you remember the theatre at the Villa d'Este? Yes.
Did you ever see Louis Pergami act any thing upon that theatre? Yes.
Did you ever see him play any tiling upon that theatre with her royal highness? Yes, he once dressed like a harlequin, and her royal highness dressed like columbine.
When Pergami first came into the service of her royal highness, or shortly afterwards, did he wear any car-rings? Yes.
Did he continue to wear those ear-rings, or were they afterwards changed for others He changed them for others.
What became of the ear-rings he wore at first, that he had so changed? I saw them afterwards in the cars of her royal highness.
Do you remember whether the little Victo-rine had any ear-rings? Yes.
Did she continue to wear those ear-rings, or were others given to her? They were changed at the Villa d'Este.
What was done with the ear-rings which the little Victorine wore, and which were changed? I saw them also afterwards on the ears of her royal highness.
When you saw them afterwards on the ears of her royal highness, was it at the same time that you saw the other ear-rings worn by her royal highness? Yes.
Were they united together, or separate, or how; describe the manner in which they were worn? She had two upon each ear, but separate; one of each pair upon each ear.
Describe how they were put into the car; were they both put into the car separately, or was one put into the ear hung upon the other? They were both in the same opening or hole.
Do you remember any presents that Pergami at any time received from any person? Sometimes presents from her royal highness.
What kind of presents were they? Some things in gold or diamonds, but which I cannot well describe.
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Do you remember the "kind of cap that Pergami wore as courier, when he first went to Naples? Yes.
Do you remember seeing any cap of the same shape and form worn by any body? I saw a cap of red silk, of the same make, on the head of her royal highness.
When was that, at what place? It was made at Naples.
Do you remember any black silk cravat worn by Pergami? He generally wore in the morning a black silk cravat.
Do you remember ever seeing that black silk cravat any where else? In her royal highness's room.
Have you seen that once, or more than once, or several times? Several times.
Do you remember observing the slippers of Pergami? I know once he had while slippers.
Did you ever see those white slippers any where? Sometimes in her royal highness's room.
What room? In the sleeping-room, the bed-room.
Do you ever remember seeing any thing else, any part of the dress of Pergami, in the bed-room? I do not recollect.
Do you remember the second night that you slept under tents in going to Jerusalem, at Bagosa, seeing any articles of dress in the tent under which her royal highness slept? t saw something belonging to Pergami, but I cannot recollect of what description it was.
When you say you saw something belonging to Pergami, do you mean by that any part of the dress of Pergami or not? Yes.
Do you remember the residence of count Pino? Yes.
Did her royal highness ever go to pay a visit to count Pino before she went into Greece? Yes.
Did you sleep near or far from the princess at the house of count Pino? Near the princess.
Was there any door opening from your room into the bed-room of her royal highness? Yes.
Did Pergami come into your room during that night? When I had lain down I saw Pergami passing through my room.
When you say you saw him passing through your room, where did he go to? He was going towards the room of her royal highness.
Was there any light in your room? A little night lamp.
Did you see him come out again? I fell asleep, and did not see him come out.
Do you recollect how long, or about how long, that was before you went on your voyage to Greece? It was not very long before, nearly three weeks.
Do you know the place called le Barona? Yes.
To whom does it belong? To Mr. Pergami
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How do they call the house? Villa Pergami.
Besides the house which you call Villa Pergami, is there any other house upon the domain? A farmer's house.
During the time that you were at the Villa d'Este the second time, after the return from Greece, did her royal highness go to the Villa Pergami? Yes.
Did you accompany her? Yes. Do you remember the situation of the bedrooms of her royal highness and Pergami at the Barona? Yes.
Describe them? They were separated by a passage, where there was a stair-case going down a small green cabinet, and the bedroom of her royal highness was by the side of it.
Where did that stair-case lead to? The stair-case led down stairs, in order to go out of the house.
Was there any corridor or passage? Yes, there was a corridor.
Was there any door in that corridor? Yes. Was that door in the corridor shut or open at night? It was shut during the night.
Could any person, when that door was shut, get into the rooms of her royal highness and of Pergami? No, unless they passed by that passage up the stair-case which I have alluded to.
Must they go down stairs, and then come up for that purpose? It was necessary to go down, and then come up on the other side.
Did the other doors of the bed-rooms of the suite open into the same corridor? There were four other doors which opened on this corridor.
Were they on the same side of the door which shut on the corridor, or not? The four doors were in this line, and the door of the corridor was in this direction, [describing it]. When that door upon the corridor was shut, did it shut out the communication between the princess's room and these four rooms you have described? Yes, when the door was shut.
How long did you continue at the Barona at that time? The first time we only remained there two or three days.
Did you afterwards return there? Yes. How long did you remain there then? Nearly two months.
Were Pergami and her royal highness there during the whole of that time? No.
Where did they go to? To Germany. How long did they remain there before they went to Germany? Nearly one month.
Did you make any observations upon the conduct of her royal highness and Pergami during that month, how they conducted themselves towards each other? I made no particular observation.
How did they address each other? The princess often said "thou" (toi), to Mr. Pergami, and Mr. Pergami addressing the princess, merely said "princess."
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Do you know what the French mean by "tutoyé?" Yes.
What do they mean? To use the second person in the singular to each other.
You say, that Pergami addressed her by the name of princess, how did the other persons in the suite address her? When she was addressed, she was commonly called "Your royal highness."
Did you observe, while you were at the Barona, Pergami doing any thing to her royal highness? I do not recollect.
Do you recollect any balls at the Barona? Yes.
Who attended those balls? People of a low condition.
Did you ever hear her royal highness and Pergami speak about the conduct of the persons at the balls? Yes.
Did you yourself make any observations upon the conduct of the persons at the balls? Yes.
State what you saw of the conduct of the persons at the hall, which was also seen in the presence of her royal highness? In the presence of her royal highness I saw nothing particular.
Did you ever hear Pergami tell her royal highness any thing as to the conduct of any of the parties? Yes, once.
What was it? Mr. Pergami related a history or story which had happened in the house.
During the time that you were residing at the Barona did you go to Turin? Yes.
How long did you remain at Turin? Some days.
In the course of your former examination you stated a journey to Venice; was that before you went into Greece? We were twice at Venice; the first time before we went to Greece, and the second time before we went to Germany.
Wnenyou were first at Venice, at what inn were you? As far as I recollect, it was at the Grande Bretagne.
Did you continue to reside in the hotel la Grande Bretagne, or did her royal highness remove to another house? She removed to another house near the inn.
How long had she continued, as nearly as you can recollect, at the hotel la Grande Bretagne before she went to the other house? I believe it was only two days.
You mentioned that Mr. William Burrell and Dr. Holland were on that journey to Venice when the princess removed from the hotel la Grand Bretagne to a private house; did Dr. Holland and Mr. Burrell remain at the inn, or did they go to the private house? As far as I can recollect, Dr. Holland and Mr. Burrell remained at the inn.
You mentioned that while you were residing at the Barona you took a journey into the Tyrol; to what place did you first go? Do you mean, to remain there.
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Do you remember arriving at a place called Scharnitz? Yes.
Do you remember when you were at Scharnitz Pergami being sent to any place about passports? I recollect Pergami went to In-spruck in order to obtain passports.
Do you recollect at what time of the day it was that Pergami set out to go from Scharnitz to Inspruck? I do not precisely recollect, but I believe it was in the morning.
Do you recollect the room that her royal highness slept in, and what arrangement was made for sleeping that night at Scharnitz? Yes.
Who went to bed in that room besides her royal highness; did any body? Myself.
At what time did you go to bed? Nearly ten o'clock.
At what time did her royal highness go to bed? At the same hour.
In the same room? In the same room.
Did Pergami return from Inspruck that night? Yes.
As well as you can recollect, how long after you were in bed? I do not recollect precisely, because I had already fallen asleep.
Did you sleep in the same bed with the princess, or in another bed? In a small bed which was laid on the floor.
Upon the arrival of Pergami, did you receive any orders from her royal highness; did she tell you what you were to do? Her royal highness told me that I might take my bed and go.
Had you seen Pergami before those directions were given you? Yes, I saw Mr. Pergami the moment those orders were given to me.
Where did you see him? In the room of her royal highness.
In the bed-room? In the bed-room.
Did you in consequence of those orders go away for that night? I left the room the same moment.
When you went away, did you leave Pergami in the room, or was he gone? I cannot exactly say whether Mr. Pergami was still in the room when I left it, but I think he was.
If you cannot tell with perfect accuracy, can you tell about how long it was after you had been in bed when Pergami arrived; was it one, two, or three hours, or how long? It was nearly two hours, or two hours and a half.
Do you remember going with her royal highness to Carlsruhe? Yes.
Do you remember the disposition of the rooms of her royal highness and Pergami at Carlsruhe? Yes.
State how it was? They were separated by the eating room.
Who made the princess's bed? I do not know whether it was my sister or some other person.
Whose business was it to make the bed of Pergami? I do not know whether it was a servant, but I know there was. a woman in
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the inn whose business it was, to make the beds all over the inn.
While you were upon your visit at Carlsruhe, did you go to the baths of Baden? Yes.
Did her royal highness sleep there one night? Yes.
Do you remember, the situation of her bed-room with reference to Pergami's? No, I do not recollect.
Do you remember, at any time before you went to bed, going into the princess's room at the baths of Baden? Yes.
Was there any sofa in that room? I do not know whether that was a sofa, or some chairs near each other, but it rather appeared to me it was a sofa.
When you went into the bed-room of the princess in the evening, did you see the princess there? Yes.
Was she alone, or was any person with her? It was Mr. Pergami; it was not very late; it was in the twilight, between day and night.
Was the princess standing or silting? She was sitting.
Where was Pergami? Sitting by the side of her.
Did you observe the hand or the arm of Pergami, where it was? Pergami's arm was passed round behind her royal highness.
When you say behind her royal highness, describe particularly what you mean—behind what part? It was passed behind her waist.
Where did the hand come? The hand came out round her waist on the other side.
How was her royal highness sitting; where was her head? Her head was leaning against Pergami's arm.
Did you go from Baden to Vienna? Yes.
How long did you stay at Vienna? Three or four days.
Do you know whether her royal highness went to court at. Vienna? No.
What do you mean by "no;" that you do not know, or that she did not go to court? I mean that she did not go to court.
Did you go from Vienna to Trieste? Yes.
How did her royal highness travel upon that journey from Vienna to Trieste, in what kind of carriage? In a small very low open carriage.
Who travelled with her in that carriage? Mr. Pergami.
Did any body else travel with her? No one but Mr. Pergami; I saw no one else.
Did she go at the same time with her suite, or did they follow her after an interval? Her royal highness arrived at Trieste before her suite.
Did you go on from Trieste to Milan? Yes.
And to the Barona? Yes.
Did her royal highness travel in the same way? I believe her royal highness was in the same carriage, because she was always before us.
After your return to the Barona the second time, where did Pergami's mother dine? At her royal highness's table.

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Where did Louis Pergami dine? As far as I can recollect, also at her royal highness's table.
Did you afterwards go from the Barona to Home? Yes.
Did you pass by Rimini? Yes.
Did you stop at Rimini? Yes, one night or two; I do not know which.
Was her royal highness well, or indisposed, at Rimini? She was indisposed.
Did you attend her, or who did attend her? I attended her a part of the evening.
Do you know who attended her the other time? The remainder of the evening, I do not recollect.
Was she indisposed upon the road before she came to Rimini? Yes,
At what place? At a small village, the name of which I do not know.
Did you attend her? No.
Who remained with her? The countess Oldi and Pergami alighted from the carriage, and I remained in another carriage.
How long did her royal highness remain in that place? Nearly one hour.
Did you go into the room at all? Not at all.
When you arrived at Rome, where did you first reside? At an inn.
What inn was it? The inn the Europa.
Did you afterwards go to a house called Ruffinelli? Yes.
Do you know the relative situations of the bed-rooms of her royal highness and Pergami at Ruffinelli? Yes.
Describe them; did they communicate with each other? They were near each other, and they communicated internally one with another.
Do you remember ever having seen Pergami in his bed there? Once.
Where was the princess? I do not know.
Was be confined to his bed by illness? Yes.
How long did that continue? A few days.
Did you ever see her royal highness go into or come out of the room during that time? Yes.
Once or more than once.? More than once.
Where did you to go from Ruffinelli? To the Villa Brandi near Rome.
During any part of this journey to Rome, did you travel in the same carriage with her royal highness? Yes.
Who was in the carriage besides her royal highness and you? Mr. Pergami.
How did you sit, in what way? Mr. Pergami sat between us.
Did you take any notice of his arms or hands, how they were? I do not recollect.
Do you recollect any thing particular that passed in the carriage between Pergami and her royal highness? I recollect nothing particular.
Do you remember at the Villa Brandi any bust being taken of her royal highness, any sculpture? Yes.
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By whose order was that? I,do not know.
Was a bust taken of any body else? That of Mr. Pergami.
Did you see her royal highness and Pergami sit for those busts? Yes.
Do you know where they were afterwards placed? No.
Was this at the Villa Brandi, or before you got to the Villa Brandi, or afterwards? At the Villa Brandi.
Do you know at the Villa Brandi what was the situation of the bed-rooms of her royal highness and of Pergami? Yes.
Describe how they were? Pergami's room was situated in an open gallery, and the entrance into her royal highness's apartment was in the same gallery.
How far from each other? About fifteen paces.
Did you ever see her royal highness in the evening come out of her bed-room, after you had undressed her? I do not recollect.
In what room did her royal highness dress and make her toilet? In her bed-room.
Do you remember ever seeing Pergami present upon those occasions? Yes, I saw him sometimes.
Do you remember some persons coming to dinner before her royal highness was dressed one day? Yes.
Which room did they go into? Into the first room.
Where was Pergami at that time? In her royal highness's bed-room.
Were you there also? Yes.
Did her royal highness change her dress before she went to the company? Yes.
Did she change it entirely? I do not recollect.
Where was Pergami during the time when she was changing her dress? Part of the time he was in the room.
How long did you continue at the Villa Brandi? Nearly two months.
Where did you go to from the Villa Brandi? To Sinigaglia and Pesaro.
What was the name of the first house you went to at Pesaro? The Villa Caprili.
How long did you continue at the Villa Caprili? I only remained there two months, or nearly.
Do you know the situation of the room of her royal highness at the Villa Caprili? Yes.
Describe it? Her royal highness had three rooms, which led into a dining-room.
Where were the rooms of her suite? Do you mean of the gentlemen.
State those of the gentlemen first? They were in a separate wing of the house.
How did that wing communicate with the body of the house? By means of two arches which were erected.
Did her royal highness have any conversation with you about those rooms, and about the apartments of the suite? I do not recollect.
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after her royal highness came there, get into the body of the house? They had a stair-case which went down into a court, and they went across a court or yard in order to enter the house.
Where was the bed-room of Pergami? It was a room near that of her royal highness.
Was there any communication between them? Yes.
Had her royal highness a small cabinet below? Yes.
Was there any sofa in that cabinet below? Yes.
Did you ever see Pergami in that cabinet upon the sofa? Yes.
Have you ever seen him there when the princess was there? Yes.
State how Pergami was sitting, or in what position he was upon the sofa? He was lying down on the sofa.
Where was the princess, and what was she doing? She was sitting on the edge of the sofa.
What was she doing? I do not recollect what shewas doing, I recollect she was sitting on the edge of the sofa.
Did you ever see her royal highness in pantaloons? Yes.
Where? At Pesaro.
At the Villa Caprili? Yes.
Was Pergami present at the time? I saw him once.
Can you tell us what he said, or whether he said any thing; what passed between them? Pergami said to her royal highness, that she looked better so.
Give the phrase he made use of, as far as you recollect it? Pergami turned round her royal highness, looking at her, and said, "How pretty you are, I like you much better so."
Did you observe the bed of her royal highness at the Villa Caprili? I made no observation.
Was it a small bud for one person, or a large bed for two? It was a large bed.
At the time when you describe her royal highness as being in pantaloons, what was the state of her neck and her breast? Uncovered; she was at her toilet, and was dressing herself.
How far is the Villa Caprili from Pesaro, from the town? Two or three miles.
Do you remember, upon any occasion, Pergami going from the Villa Caprili to go to Pesaro? Yes, sometimes.
State what passed between her royal highness and Pergami? The same things that I said had passed at Messina.
Describe it? They took each other by the hand, and the princess said, "Adieu, mon canir, mon ami;" and Pergami said, "Au re voir, princesse," till we meet again, princess.
Did you observe Pergami do any thing more? I do not recollect that I observed any thing else.
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Was there a chest of money at Pesaro? Ye9.
Do you know who had the key of that? I do not recollect.
Did you ever see Pergami with the key? Yes.
At the time when her royal highness resided at Naples, had she any chaplain as forming part of her suite? Prayers were said in her house every Sunday.
Was it so at the Villa Villani, and the Villa d'Este, and the Barona? No.
Did you ever see it after you left Naples? Yes.
Up to what time? While we were at Genoa.
Did you see it at all after you quitted Genoa? I never saw it again.
Did you ever see her royal highness go to churches with Pergami? Yes.
State what she did? I saw her once fall upon her knees by the side of Pergami.
Did you ever hear her say thing about the father of Pergami? About Mr. Pergami's father, in what manner?
Do you remember her saying any thing about any masses? Yes.
State what that was? Her royal highness told me, that she intended to have masses said for the soul of the father of Mr. Pergami.
At the time when you were first at the Villa d'Este, was her royal highness visited by the nobility of that neighbourhood? Sometimes.
How was it at the Villa Villani, before you went to the Villa d'Este? They visited her royal highness sometimes also.
Did that continue up to the time, when her royal highness quitted the Villa d'Este? Some persons continued to visit her, and some did not.
Did her royal highness ever say any thing to you about the Cassino at Milan? Yes.
What was it? Her royal highness said it had been put to the vote, whether she should be admitted at the Cassino at Milan, or into the Cassino at Milan.
What further did she say? She said that it had been negatived.
Do you remember in the garden at the Villa d'Este a chair upon wheels? Yes.
Have you seen Pergami and her royal highness ever do any thing with that chair? I have seen them play with this chair, and push it forward.
Who was in the chair? I do not recollect.
Did you ever see her royal highness and Pergami in the kitchen at the Villa d'Este? I saw them twice.
What did you see them do there? They were standing in the kitchen.
Was any thing to eat there? There wais something to eat, but I did not see them eat-When you first arrived at Naples, the morning after you describe her royal highness to have gone to the opera, what time in the morning did you dress her royal highness? I do not precisely recollect; I believe it was between ten and eleven o'clock.

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After you had dressed her royal highness did you leave her any where? I remained in her room.
Do you know where her royal highness went to? Into a small room where there was a chimney.
Is that the small cabinet which you before described? Yes.
How long did her royal highness remain in that cabinet? I do not precisely recollect.
Can you state about what time? Nearly an hour, or an hour and a half.
During that time did you see Pergami any where? No.
Was the door of the cabinet open or closed? It was closed.
Do you know whether the outer door of the bed-room in which Pergami slept was open or closed? When I passed by the door I always saw it shut.
The Solicitor Generalstated that he had no farther questions to ask this witness.
The counsel for her majesty were asked, whether they were desirous now to enter upon the cross-examination?
Mr. Broughamstated, that he was unwilling to press upon the witness, after the fatigue of so long an examination in chief; but feeling at the same time that inconvenience might result from the division of the cross-examination, he desired to leave the matter entirely in the hands of their lordships.
The counsel were directed to withdraw, and the further consideration of the said bill was adjourned to to-morrow morning.