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'Compensation shall be paid to owners and landlords of dwelling houses for any depreciation in the value of such property caused by the establishment under section 14 of accommodation centres, in accordance with the provisions of Part 1 of the Land Compensation Act 1973:.—[Tony Baldry.]
§ Brought up, and read the First time.
§ Tony BaldryI beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
§ Mr. Deputy Speaker (Sir Alan Haselhurst)With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 28. in clause 14, page 8, line 42, after "persons", insert—
'in locations suitable to the cultural and other needs of those to be accommodated.'.No. 6, in page 9, line 2, at end insert—
'(3) No accommodation centre established under this section shall hold more than 200 persons.'.No. 1, in page 9, line 2, at end insert—
'(4) An accommodation centre shall only be established after the Secretary of State is satisfied that the proposed location is suitable to the needs of the persons to be accommodated therein'.770 No. 29, in page 9, line 2, at end insert—
'( ) Each accommodation centre shall hold a maximum of 250 people at any one time, except where expressly agreed between the Secretary of State and the relevant local authority.'.
§ Tony BaldryI hope to have the support of my hon. Friends so that I can press the new clause to a Division. I also hope that it will be possible to have a separate vote on amendments Nos. 6 and 1. I know that my hon. Friends on the Front Bench would welcome that.
I note that amendment No. 6 was tabled by the hon. Member for Lancaster and Wyre (Mr. Dawson), who intervened on me earlier to accuse my constituents of being nimbyist. The amendment stipulates that no accommodation centre should hold more than 200 persons. I hope that when we vote on it, the hon. Gentleman will have the courage to support his decision to table it.
On Second Reading and in Committee, Ministers made it clear on numerous occasions that accommodation centres are an experiment. Indeed, the hon. Member for Wallasey (Angela Eagle) said:
As we have no experience of running such centres, we have no hard and fast view about different scales.Ahead of a trial, I have no idea about the answers. The Bill will give us the power to trial … The trial will allow us to find out what works, and we can proceed from that point."—[Official Report, Sianding Committee E, 7 May 2002; c. 74–75.]That was a fair acknowledgement by the Minister conducting the Bill through Committee that the Government are engaged in an experiment. There is no precedent for such an experiment in this country; indeed, there is no precedent anywhere in Europe. Although there are accommodation centres for asylum seekers elsewhere in Europe, none has anything like as many as 750 people living in it at any one time, as Ministers acknowledged in Committee.
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§ Mike Gapes (Ilford, South)I have been listening at length to the hon. Gentleman's speeches, and they all come down to one point. He seems to think that urban areas, where services and facilities are already under pressure, and boroughs such as mine, which has more than 5,000 refugees, rather than the 750 that he is talking about, should continue to bear all the costs and pressures or the asylum system. As an MP representing an urban constituency, I think that his whole approach is one of nimbyism.
§ Tony BaldryI do not think that the hon. Gentleman was in his place when an earlier intervention on that point was made. If that is his reaction to my remarks, he clearly has not been listening to them. Furthermore, such interventions display considerable intolerance on the part of Labour Members. My first contribution to these proceedings lasted no longer than six minutes, but the hon. Gentleman seeks to give the impression that Conservative Members have been speaking at great length. I speak as a Member of Parliament who faces the prospect of an accommodation centre being sited in his constituency, and I believe that all my comments have been sensible and proportionate.
If the hon. Gentleman thinks that being concerned about a liaison committee or interested in the centre's impact on the resources of the local police and health 771 service signifies nimbyism, he is not serving his own community very well. If he and his colleagues had been reading their post, they would know that eves y organisation from Amnesty International to the British Red Cross is opposed to the proposals. The comments made by the general secretary of the TGWU on the "Today" programme this morning, in which he said that the proposal is fundamentally flawed, clearly fell on deaf ears.
I am conscious that there is not much time for this debate, so I hope that I can continue without further such interventions from Labour Members, who seem to feel that any sensible, constructive opposition or comment on the Bill can simply be dismissed as nimbyism. The experiment by the Government is having an impact on my constituents. That impact is not hypothetical or possible; it is immediate. In the days following the Government s announcement that the outskirts of Bicester may be the site of an accommodation centre for asylum seekers, I was visited in my surgery by constituents who had seen the sale of their home fall through.
§ Jeremy CorbynWill the hon. Gentleman give way?
§ Tony BaldryNo, there is very little time and I want to make several comments.
These were people coming up to the exchange of contracts who now found their property unsaleable. [HON. MEMBERS: "Why?"] Because the prospective purchasers had withdrawn. That situation is not hypothetical, but real.
§ Mr. LuffLabour Members are demonstrating rather appalling intolerance and an ignorance of reality. As my hon. Friend knows, in my constituency, where there is a foot and mouth disease burial site 300 yd from the proposed site of an accommodation centre for asylum centres, every one of the small number of houses affected is completely unsaleable. They are all on the market mid there are no takers for any of them. Some of those people desperately need to get on with their lives, and they cannot do so because of the Government. Would not it be right for the Government to buy those properties and then sell them when the market recovers?
§ Tony BaldryYes.
§ Dr. Brian Iddon (Bolton, South-East)Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
§ Tony BaldryNo. I want to make my speech.
The state has decided, for whatever reason, that it wants to take action because it believes that there will be a greater good for the state as a whole, but in doing so it is having a direct impact on the lives of individuals and on the value of their property. In those circumstances, it must be right, in natural justice and in equity, for the state to compensate those individuals.
When the M40 was built through my constituency, those affected by motorway noise were granted compensation. When, as a consequence of the change of flight paths from USAF Upper Heyford, aircraft noise increased substantially over a number of villages in my constituency, and it could be demonstrated that the value of people's properties had fallen as a consequence, the Ministry of Defence gave an ex gratia payment based on 772 the change in the value of the property. There was a clear recognition that, in the interests of national security and of the state, it was sensible to change the flight paths, but as a consequence of that action by the state, a number of individuals suffered and it was right and proper that the state compensated them.
That depreciation in property value was not fictional, notional or imagined; any loss had to be determined and quantified by professional chartered surveyors acting on behalf of the claimants and by surveyors acting for the MOD. However, when a loss could be shown and agreed, compensation was made. I am not going as far as that in my new clause. The Land Compensation Act 1973 does not go so far as to say that there should be total compensation for any depreciation in the value of a property; it says that if the state decides to carry out certain works, householders should be compensated for the impact of those works on their property.
§ Glenda Jackson (Hampstead and Highgate)I offer what I hope will be comfort to the hon. Gentleman's constituents. He is rightly concerned with their anxiety that the value of their property will plummet if 750 asylum seekers are sited nearby. May I reassure them? London and the south-east, which carries by far the largest number of asylum seekers and refugees in the country, is an area in which property prices have risen to astronomical heights, and they continue to rise. It could well be that the siting of an accommodation centre on the outskirts of Bicester will be followed by a property boom.
§ Tony BaldrySuch a fatuous comment will be met by my constituents with the reaction that it deserves. I extend to the hon. Lady a genuine invitation to my next constituency surgery so that she can put that point to them. I hope that she will have the courage to do so. It is easy to make cheap points in the House of Commons, but it will be different when she has to look families in the face and tell them that property prices in her constituency are going up, so the house sale for which they had been hoping for months and which has just fallen through is just tough luck. I hope that she will come to my constituency—she will be very welcome.
§ Glenda JacksonI am grateful, and I shall of course accept the hon. Gentleman's kind invitation—if he will accept an invitation from me to visit one of my advice surgeries and meet some of my constituents who are unable to find not only somewhere to buy, but somewhere to rent in this city, because property prices continue to rise.
§ Tony BaldryOf course I am happy—[Interruption] Of course I am happy to come to the hon Lady's constituency—indeed, I visited it on several occasions when I was a Minister for housing. [Interruption.]
§ Mr. Deputy SpeakerOrder. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but let me remind the House that we are dealing with a serious matter that should be debated in an orderly manner.
§ Tony BaldryThe hon. Lady's second point was something of a non sequitur, but as she has mentioned it, I shall ask her and the Minister a question arising from a point that was not made clear during the consultation with 773 local authorities. About 10 per cent. of asylum seekers have valid claims; therefore, on a six-month basis, about 75 individuals or families from a centre will be found to have a claim to remain in the UK. Is it the Government's intention that the local authority in which the centre is sited will have responsibility to accommodate those people? So far, the Government have given no explanation of such matters to local authorities or local people.
To return to my central point, if there is no loss, there cannot be compensation. Compensation is possible only if there is a demonstrable statutory loss. I see no reason why the Government should resist the amendment, which is on all fours with existing legislation and precedents relating to compensation. It would be extremely perverse if compensation were possible in relation to every other Government activity, but, simply because accommodation centres are an experiment or trial, the Government were unwilling to grant compensation to householders who suffer real, not hypothetical, loss.
The fact that the centres are to be established as a trial or experiment is all the more reason why there should be written into the Bill a statutory system whereby people may be granted compensation. I hope that the Minister will make it clear that the Government acknowledge that where the state intervenes for the benefit of the state but individuals lose as a consequence, it is right in natural justice and equity that those individuals are compensated.
§ Mr. DawsonThat was the most appalling speech that I have heard in my five years as a Member of Parliament. The hon. Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry) asked whether I would go through the Lobby in support of amendment No. 6. I assure him that specially trained and built for speed and strength wild horses could not drag me through the Lobby to support the Tories against the Labour Government. Monkeys, if they sit at typewriters long enough, might eventually come up with a work—
§ Mr. LuffOn a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. When an hon. Member has put his name to an amendment, is he not under some obligation to vote in accordance with that fact?
§ Mr. Deputy SpeakerThat is not a matter for the Chair.
§ Mr. DawsonI am happy to answer that point. The hon. Member for Banbury destroyed the argument by the way in which he introduced it into his speech.
Although I have some sympathy with the proposal that accommodation centres should be as small as is feasible, and a great deal of sympathy with the notion that people should remain in them for as short a time as possible, it is vital that the House recognises the position described by my hon. Friend the Member for Hampstead and Highgate (Glenda Jackson), wherein certain communities are under enormous pressure. There is therefore a great responsibility on every Member of Parliament to acknowledge that asylum seekers and people who want to come to this country should be made welcome. They are people of skill, intelligence and resilience whom we should welcome into our communities.
774 Rather than stand here and, as has already been done many times this afternoon, spout reasons why accommodation centres should not be established in various parts of the country, I say that they should be established throughout the country. I would welcome an accommodation centre in my constituency, and I think that my constituents would welcome it too.
§ Mr. MalinsI rise to speak to amendments Nos. 6 and 1. I judge that my hon. Friends the Members for Mid-Worcestershire (Mr. Luff), for West Worcestershire (Sir Michael Spicer) and for Banbury (Tony Baldry), who have been in their places for the whole debate, have throughout spoken on behalf of their constituents with great realism, sense, sensitivity and humanity. I am proud to be associated with each of them, with what they have said and with their approach to the problems.
The hon. Member for Lancaster and Wyre (Mr. Dawson) made accusations against my hon. Friends' attitudes to the size and location of accommodation centres. How wrong he is to do so. What does he say to the 10 respected organisations—international names; I will not run through them, but he knows who they are—that wrote to the Home Secretary on 3 May outlining concerns identical to those expressed by my hon. Friends? Does he say that those organisations are wrong? With all their experience, they wrote:
we are greatly concerned at both the locations of the eight potential sites for Accommodation Centres to house asylum seekers and the proposal that the four confirmed sites should house up to 750 people each.
§ Jeremy CorbynWill the hon. Gentleman give way?
§ Mr. DawsonWill the hon. Gentleman give way?
§ Mr. MalinsI will give way to the hon. Member for Islington, North (Jeremy Corbyn), because I know that he has been desperate to intervene.
§ Jeremy CorbynIs the hon. Gentleman not being a little disingenuous and deliberately confusing the issue of organisations that have legitimate concerns, shared by many of us, about the way in which asylum seekers are treated with the attitude taken by his hon. Friend the Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry), which is basically one of total opposition to the presence of any asylum seekers anywhere near any of his constituents?
§ Mr. MalinsMy hon. Friend's attitude is nothing of the sort. He has advanced good, sound arguments. If the hon. Member for Islington, North is saying that he has legitimate concerns about size and location, let us see whether he follows us into the Lobby in a few minutes' time. Despite his comments, I doubt that he will be able to do so.
§ Mr. LuffMay I make it absolutely clear that my constituents would welcome the opportunity to share with the rest of the country the burden of asylum seekers? The problem is the manner in which the Government propose to do it. The diocese of Worcester, whose bishops are no supporters of the Conservative party, has said that it opposes the Government' proposals because the Churches cannot make their distinctive contribution to 775 making people welcome because of the concentration of numbers. We could more effectively make smaller groups of asylum seekers welcome in Worcester.
§ Mr. MalinsMy hon. Friend makes his point well. I shall be grateful for an opportunity to divide the House on amendment No. 6, when the time comes. That amendment relates entirely to accommodation centres not holding more than 200 persons.
I need not go through the arguments. One of the tragedies of this place—frankly, it is a disgrace—is that at ten minutes to 7 tonight there will not be a chance for us to get on to vital debates on other matters. That saddens me—[Interruption.] The Home Secretary may say that from a sedentary position, but dozens of Labour and Conservative Back Benchers want to speak on those important issues. Suffice it to say that in Committee I inferred from the words of a number of Labour Back Benchers that they had great sympathy for my proposal that no accommodation centre should hold more than 200 or 250 people. I am looking at the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Mr. Gerrard).
§ Mr. Neil Gerrard (Walthamstow)Do not put words in my mouth.
§ Mr. MalinsI remember what the hon. Gentleman said in Committee, and I look forward to his joining us in the Lobby shortly.
§ Mr. GerrardI wish to move an amendment, in a group of amendments that we will not reach, which would make significant changes to the Bill. If we had spent less time on futile debate, we would have reached it.
§ Mr. MalinsI am sorry that we will not reach those amendments because the hon. Gentleman has a seriously good reputation in the field of asylum and refugees.
Amendment No. 1 proposes that an accommodation centre should
only be established after the Secretary of State is satisfied that the proposed location is suitable to the needs of the persons to he accommodated therein".I shall say little else, except to repeat the words of respected non-governmental organisations, which said in their letter of 3 May that situating centresaway from urban areas is likely to lead to isolation and potential institutionalisation.They went on to say:There are…financial and social benefits from siting smaller Accommodation Centres in urban areas rather than as proposed.They also said thatsmaller Centres in urban areas … are likely to blend more easily into the existing environment with consequent reduced tension among the resident population".It is vital that the Home Secretary listens not just to experts outside the House but to the members of the Opposition who are urging him to establish small centres in suitable areas and, equally importantly, many Labour supporters who, if they had a chance, would vote with us tonight.
§ Mr. AllanI shall briefly introduce amendments Nos. 28 and 29, which were tabled by my hon. Friends 776 and me and echo the concerns of the hon. Member for Woking (Mr. Malins). We take seriously the concerns of people outside the House, who believe that smaller accommodation centres in appropriate locations would be more fitting—[Interruption.] The Home Secretary is right to say "Sheffield, Hallam" from a sedentary position; a good accommodation centre was set up during the Kosovan airlift at Folkwood school in a suburb of my constituency, allowing individuals access to the facilities of the city. The arrangement worked well, and local people felt so too.
We are trying to be constructive. Appropriate accommodation centres can work, but we do not want the Government to go ahead with larger centres in inappropriate locations, only for Opposition Members to return to the House in two or three years' time to say "Told you so". I would rather not go through that painful experience; the centres should be sited appropriately from the outset. I hope that we will be able to have a separate vote on amendment No. 28, which refers to the appropriateness of the location. I, too, regret the fact that we have not had time to debate more groups of amendments.
§ The Minister for Citizenship and Immigration (Beverley Hughes)We all accept that, as Members of Parliament, we are obliged to represent the views of our constituents in the House, but it is a great pity that the hon. Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry) spoke three times at length on the same issue—he does not want an accommodation centre in his constituency—which regrettably means that we have not reached the next group of amendments on which many Members wished to speak.
§ Mr. MalinsDoes the Minister accept that it is not three modest contributions from my hon. Friend the Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry) that have cost us the later debates but the Government's insistence, day after day, on driving matters through the House without giving us a proper chance to debate them?
§ Beverley HughesI do not accept that for a moment. Opposition Members spent an hour debating the format of our proceedings and on three occasions the hon. Member for Banbury put his point of view.
§ Annabelle EwingWill the Minister give way?
§ Beverley HughesNo, I shall make progress.
The hon. Gentleman repeated the same points over and over, at the expense not of Ministers but of other Members.
I must tell the hon. Member for Banbury that new clause 8 is unacceptable not only because it cuts across part 1 of the Land Compensation Act 1973 and is unworkable but because it challenges some of the most fundamental principles of planning law. Part 1 requires compensation to be paid where physical factors arising from the use of public works cause depreciation in land value. Those factors are noise, vibration, smell, fumes, smoke, artificial lighting and so on. I do not believe, and I do not think that anyone could possibly believe, that any of those factors will arise from the building of accommodation centres anywhere.
777 Part 1 is a remedy for people who suffer nuisance from a public development but cannot pursue a claim in the courts, as promoters of a scheme have statutory immunity from prosecution. To give compensation for depreciation caused by the mere existence of a normal development would cut across the principles of planning law. We therefore do not accept the intention behind the new clause, and even if we did, we would have to rewrite part 1 to deliver it.
On the hon. Gentleman's points about consultation and involvement, my predecessor Lord Rooker agreed to visit sites before changes in ministerial responsibility were made.
§ Tony BaldryThat is news to me.
§ Beverley HughesIt may be news to the Opposition, but it is true. I have made arrangements through my private office to implement my noble Friend's decision, and shall go to the hon. Gentleman's constituency in the next two or three weeks and talk to people there and in other locations.
§ Mr. BlunkettMy hon. Friend is very brave.
§ Beverley HughesIf I can face up to the Prison Officers Association, I can certainly face up to the hon. Member for Banbury and his constituents.
Amendments Nos. 1 and 28 are a Trojan horse for the Opposition's argument that all accommodation centres should be in urban areas. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has already made it clear that we do not accept that premise. The National Asylum Support Service currently disperses asylum seekers to cluster areas. The top 10 locations—those receiving the highest numbers of asylum seekers—are Glasgow, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Sheffield, Bradford, Nottingham, Leeds and Wolverhampton. We are not prepared to accept the premise that places with the most experience of accepting asylum seekers should continue to be the only ones that do so. Having said that, this is a trial and if the accommodation centres work as we expect, we will be willing to explore a variety of locations; indeed, we will want to do so.
The other amendments deal with size. We have partly covered that issue and my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary said on Second Reading that we would proceed with a smaller accommodation centre. In terms of including a limit in the Bill—
§ It being Seven o'clock, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER, pursuant to Order [this day] put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair.
§ The House divided: Ayes 142, Noes 408.
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| Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey) | Barker, Gregory |
| Amess, David | Baron, John |
| Ancram, Rt Hon Michael | Beggs, Roy |
| Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James | Bellingham, Henry |
| Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) | Beresford, Sir Paul |
| Bacon, Richard | Blunt, Crispin |
| Baldry, Tony | Boswell, Tim |
| Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) | Letwin, Oliver |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia | Liddell—Grainger, Ian |
| Brady, Graham | Lidington, David |
| Brazier, Julian | Lilley, Rt Hon Peter |
| Burns, Simon | Loughton, Tim |
| Burnside, David | Luff, Peter |
| Burt, Alistair | McIntosh, Miss Anne |
| Butterfill, John | MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew |
| Cameron, David | Maclean, Rt Hon David |
| Campbell, Gregory (E Lond'y) | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Cash, William | Malins, Humfrey |
| Chapman, Sir Sydney (Chipping Barnet) | Maples, John |
| Mates, Michael | |
| Chope, Christopher | Maude, Rt Hon Francis |
| Clappison, James | Mercer, Patrick |
| Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey | Mitchell, Andrew (Sutton Coldfield) |
| Collins, Tim | Moss, Malcolm |
| Conway, Derek | Murrison, Dr Andrew |
| Cormack, Sir Patrick | Norman, Archie |
| Cran, James | O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury) |
| Curry, Rt Hon David | Osborne, George (Tatton) |
| Davies, Quentin (Grantham) | Paice, James |
| Djanogly, Jonathan | Paterson, Owen |
| Duncan, Alan (Rutland & Melton) | Pickles, Eric |
| Duncan, Peter (Galloway) | Prisk, Mark |
| Duncan Smith, Rt Hon Iain | Randall, John |
| Evans, Nigel | Redwood, Rt Hon John |
| Fabricant, Michael | Robertson, Hugh (Faversham) |
| Fallen, Michael | Robertson, Laurence (Tewk'b'ry) |
| Field, Mark (Cities of London) | Roe, Mrs Marion |
| Flight, Howard | Ruffley, David |
| Flook, Adrian | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Forth, Rt Hon Eric | Selous, Andrew |
| Fox, Dr Liam | Shephard, Rt Hon Mrs Gillian |
| Francois, Mark | Simmonds, Mark |
| Garnier, Edward | Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S) |
| Gibb, Nick | Soames, Nicholas |
| Gillan, Mrs Cheryl | Spelman, Mrs Caroline |
| Goodman, Paul | Spicer, Sir Michael |
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| Gray, James | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Grayling, Chris | Steen, Anthony |
| Green, Damian (Ashford) | Streeter, Gary |
| Greenway, John | Swire, Hugo |
| Grieve, Dominic | Syms, Robert |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Hammond, Philip | Taylor, John (Solihull) |
| Hawkins, Nick | Taylor, Sir Teddy |
| Hayes, John | Tredinnick, David |
| Heald, Oliver | Turner, Andrew (Isle of Wight) |
| Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David | Viggers, Peter |
| Hendry, Charles | Walter, Robert |
| Hermon, Lady | Waterson, Nigel |
| Hoban, Mark | Watkinson, Angela |
| Horam, John | Whittingdale, John |
| Howard, Rt Hon Michael | Widdecombe, Rt Hon Miss Ann |
| Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) | Wiggin, Bill |
| Jack, Rt Hon Michael | Willetts, David |
| Jackson, Robert (Wantage) | Wilshire, David |
| Jenkin, Bernard | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
| Johnson, Boris (Henley) | Winterton, Nicholas (Macclesfield) |
| Key, Robert | Yeo, Tim |
| Kirkbride, Miss Julie | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
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| Lait, Mrs Jacqui | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Lansley, Andrew | Dr. Julian Lewis and |
| Leigh, Edward | Mr. Desmond Swayne. |
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| Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley N) | Anderson, Janet (Rossendale) |
| Ainsworth, Bob (Cov'try NE) | Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary |
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| Alexander, Douglas | Bailey, Adrian |
| Allan, Richard | Baird, Vera |
| Allen, Graham | Baker, Norman |
| Anderson, Rt Hon Donald (Swansea E) | Banks, Tony |
| Barnes, Harry |
| Barron, Kevin | Cox, Tom |
| Battle, John | Cranston, Ross |
| Beard, Nigel | Crausby, David |
| Beckett, Rt Hon Margaret | Cruddas, Jon |
| Begg, Miss Anne | Cryer, Mrs Ann (Keighley) |
| Beith, Rt Hon A J | Cummings, John |
| Bell, Stuart | Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr Jack (Copeland) |
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| Bennett, Andrew | Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S) |
| Benton, Joe | Cunningham, Tony (Workington) |
| Berry, Roger | Dalyell, Tam |
| Best, Harold | Darling, Rt Hon Alistair |
| Betts, Clive | Davey, Edward (Kingston) |
| Blackman, Liz | Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) |
| Blair, Rt Hon Tony | David, Wayne |
| Blears, Ms Hazel | Davidson, Ian |
| Blizzard, Bob | Davies, Geraint (Croydon C) |
| Blunkett, Rt Hon David | Dawson, Hilton |
| Boateng, Rt Hon Paul | Dean, Mis Janet |
| Bradley, Rt Hon Keith (Withington) | Denham, Rt Hon John |
| Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) | Dhanda, Parmjit |
| Bradshaw, Ben | Dismore, Andrew |
| Brake, Tom | Dobbin, Jim |
| Breed, Colin | Dobson, Rt Hon Frank |
| Brennan, Kevin | Donohoe, Brian H |
| Brooke, Mrs Annette L | Doran, Frank |
| Brown, Rt Hon Nicholas (Newcastle E & Wallsend) | Doughty, Sue |
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| Brown, Russell (Dumfries) | Drew, David |
| Browne, Desmond | Drown, Ms Julia |
| Bruce, Malcolm | Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) |
| Bryant, Chris | Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston) |
| Buck, Ms Karen | Edwards, Huw |
| Burden, Richard | Ellman, Mrs Louise |
| Burgon, Colin | Ennis, Jeff |
| Burnett, John | Ewing, Annabelle |
| Burnham, Andy | Farrelly, Paul |
| Burstow, Paul | Fisher, Mark |
| Cable, Dr Vincent | Fitzpatrick, Jim |
| Cairns, David | Fitzsimons, Mrs Lorna |
| Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) | Flint, Caroline |
| Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) | Flynn, Paul |
| Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies (NE Fife) | Follett, Barbara |
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| Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) | Foster, Don (Bath) |
| Caplin, Ivor | Foster, Michael (Worcester) |
| Carmichael, Alistair | Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings) |
| Casale, Roger | Foulkes, George |
| Caton, Martin | Francis, Dr Hywel |
| Cawsey, Ian | Galloway, George |
| Challen, Colin | Gapes, Mike |
| Chapman, Ben (Wirral S) | Gardiner, Barry |
| Chaytor, David | George, Andrew (St Ives) |
| Chidgey, David | George, Rt Hon Bruce (Walsall S) |
| Clapham, Michael | Gerrard, Neil |
| Clark, Dr Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands) | Gidley, Sandra |
| Gilroy, Linda | |
| Clark, Paul (Gillingham) | Godsiff, Roger |
| Clarke, Rt Hon Charles (Norwich S) | Goggins, Paul |
| Green, Matthew (Ludlow) | |
| Clarke, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge) | Griffiths, Jane (Reading E) |
| Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Clelland, David | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Clwyd, Ann | Grogan, John |
| Coaker, Vernon | Hain, Rt Hon Peter |
| Coffey, Ms Ann | Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale) |
| Cohen, Harry | Hall, Patrick (Bedford) |
| Coleman, Iain | Hamilton, David (Midlothian) |
| Connarty, Michael | Hamilton, Fabian (Leeds NE) |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Hancock, Mike |
| Cook, Rt Hon Robin (Livingston) | Hanson, David |
| Cooper, Yvette | Harman, Rt Hon Ms Harriet |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Harris, Tom (Glasgow Cathcart) |
| Corston, Jean | Harvey, Nick |
| Cotter, Brian | Havard, Dai |
| Cousins, Jim | Healey, John |
| Heath, David | McCartney, Rt Hon Ian |
| Henderson, Doug (Newcastle N) | McDonagh, Stobhain |
| Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) | MacDonald, Calum |
| Hendrick, Mark | McDonnell, John |
| Hepburn, Stephen | McFall, John |
| Heppell, John | McGuire, Mrs Anne |
| Hesford, Stephen | McIsaac, Shona |
| Heyes, David | McKechin, Ann |
| Hill, Keith | McKenna, Rosemary |
| Hinchliffe, David | Mackinlay, Andrew |
| Hodge, Margaret | McNamara, Kevin |
| Hoey, Kate | McNulty, Tony |
| Holmes, Paul | MacShane, Denis |
| Hood, Jimmy | Mactaggart, Fiona |
| Hope, Phil | McWalter, Tony |
| Hopkins, Kelvin | Mahmood, Khalid |
| Howarth, Rt Hon Alan (Newport E) | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Howarth, George (Knowsley N) | Mallaber, Judy |
| Howells, Dr Kim | Mandelson, Rt Hon Peter |
| Hughes, Beverley (Stretford) | Mann, John |
| Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) | Marris, Rob |
| Hughes, Simon (Southward N) | Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) |
| Humble, Mrs Joan | Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury) |
| Hutton, Rt Hon John | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Iddon, Dr Brian | Marshall-Andrews, Robert |
| Irranca-Davies, Huw | Martlew, Eric |
| Jackson, Glenda (Hampstead) | Meacher, Rt Hon Michael |
| Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) | Meale, Alan |
| Jamieson, David | Merron, Gillian |
| Jenkins, Brian | Michael, Rt Hon Alun |
| Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle) | Milburn, Rt Hon Alan |
| Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn Hatfield) | Miliband, David |
| Miller, Andrew | |
| Jones, Helen (Warrington N) | Moffatt, Laura |
| Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) | Moonie, Dr Lewis |
| Jones, Kevan (N Durham) | Moore, Michael |
| Jones, Lynne (Selly Oak) | Moran, Margaret |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S) | Morgan, Julie |
| Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) | Morris, Rt Hon Estelle |
| Jowell, Rt Hon Tessa | Mountford, Kali |
| Joyce, Eric | Mudie, George |
| Keeble, Ms Sally | Mullin, Chris |
| Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston) | Munn, Ms Meg |
| Keen, Ann (Brentford & Isleworth) | Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) |
| Keetch, Paul | Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) |
| Kelly, Ruth | Naysmith, Dr Doug |
| Kemp, Fraser | Oaten, Mark |
| Kennedy, Rt Hon Charles (Ross Skye & Inverness W) | O'Brien, Bill (Normanton) |
| O'Hara, Edward | |
| Khabra, Piara S | O'Neill, Martin |
| Kidney, David | Organ, Diana |
| Kilfoyle, Peter | Osborne, Sandra (Ayr) |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Owen, Albert |
| Knight, Jim (S Dorset) | Palmer, Dr Nick |
| Kumar, Dr Ashok | Pearson, Ian |
| Ladyman, Dr Stephen | Perham, Linda |
| Lamb, Norman | Picking, Anne |
| Lammy, David | Pickthall, Colin |
| Lawrence, Mrs Jackie | Pike, Peter |
| Laws, David | Plaskitt, James |
| Lazarowtez, Mark | Pollard, Kerry |
| Lepper, David | Pond, Chris |
| Leslie, Christopher | Pope, Greg |
| Levitt, Tom | Pound, Stephen |
| Lewis, Ivan (Bury S) | Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E) |
| Lewis, Terry (Worsley) | Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) |
| Liddell, Rt Hon Mrs Helen | Prescott, Rt Hon John |
| Linton, Martin | Price, Adam |
| Lloyd, Tony | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Llwyd, Elfyn | Prosser, Gwyn |
| Love, Andrew | Pugh, Dr John |
| Lucas, Ian | Purchase, Ken |
| Luke, Iain | Purnell, James |
| Lyons, John | Quin, Rt Hon Joyce |
| McCabe, Stephen | Quinn, Lawrie |
| McCafferty, Chris | Rammell, Bill |
| Rapson, Syd | Sutcliffe, Gerry |
| Raynsford, Rt Hon Nick | Tami, Mark |
| Reed, Andy (Loughborough) | Taylor, Rt Hon Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Reid, Alan (Argyll & Bute) | Taylor, Ms Dari (Stockton S) |
| Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton N) | Taylor, David (NW Leics) |
| Rendel, David | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Robertson, Angus (Moray) | Taylor, Dr Richard (Wyre F) |
| Robertson, John (Glasgow Anniesland) | Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) |
| Thomas, Simon (Ceredigbn) | |
| Robinson, Geoffrey (Cov'try NW) | Tipping, Paddy |
| Roche, Mrs Barbara | Todd, Mark |
| Rooney, Terry | Tonge, Dr Jenny |
| Ross, Ernie | Touhig, Don |
| Roy, Frank | Trickett, Jon |
| Ruane, Chris | Truswell, Paul |
| Russell, Bob (Colchester) | Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE) |
| Ryan, Joan | Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) |
| Salmond, Alex | Turner, Neil (Wigan) |
| Salter, Martin | Twigg, Derek (Halton) |
| Sanders, Adrian | Twigg, Stephen (Enfield) |
| Savidge, Malcolm | Tyler, Paul |
| Sawford, Phil | Tynan, Bill |
| Sedgemore, Brian | Vaz, Keith |
| Shaw, Jonathan | Walley, Ms Joan |
| Sheridan Jim | Ward, Ms Claire |
| Short, Rt Hon Clare | Wareing, Robert N |
| watts, David | |
| Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S) | Webb, Steve |
| Singh, Marsha | Weir, Michael |
| Skinner, Dennis | Whitehead, Dr Alan |
| Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford E) | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Smith, Angela (Basildon) | Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W) |
| Smith, Rt Hon Chris (Islington S) | |
| Smith, Geraldine (Morecambe) | Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy) |
| Smith, Jacqui (Redditch) | Williams, Hywel (Caemarfon) |
| Smith, John (Glamorgan) | Willis, Phil |
| Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) | Wilson, Brian |
| Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns) | Winntek, David |
| Soley, Clive | Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C) |
| Southworth, Helen | Wishart, Pete |
| Squire, Rachel | Wood, Mike |
| Starkey, Dr Phyllis | Woodward, Shaun |
| Steinberg, Gerry | Worthington, Tony |
| Stevenson, George | Wray, James |
| Stewart, David (Inverness E) | Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth) |
| Stewart, Ian (Eccles) | Wright, David (Telford) |
| Stinchcombe, Paul | Wyatt, Derek |
| Stoate, Dr Howard | Younger—Ross, Richard |
| Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin | |
| Stringer, Graham | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Stuart, Ms Gisela | Mr. Nick Ainger and |
| Stunell, Andrew | Mr. Phil Woolas. |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER then proceeded to put forthwith the Questions necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded at that hour.