§ "Any person who is elected as a member of both the Northern Ireland Assembly and the legislature of Ireland shall be paid 50 per cent. of the salary of a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly".—[Mr. William Ross.]
§ Brought up, and read the First time.
§ Mr. William RossI beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
§ The Second Deputy Chairman of Ways and MeansWith this it will be convenient to discuss new clause 5— Office costs allowance—
Any person who is elected as a member of both the Northern Ireland Assembly and the legislature of Ireland shall receive no more than 50 per cent. of the office costs allowance payable to a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly".
§ Mr. RossAnyone who has read the new clauses will know exactly what they entail. I do not propose to detain the Committee for long, unless others want to take part in the debate. New clause 4 relates to the salary paid to a person elected a Member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the legislature of Ireland. Such a person would be paid 50 per cent. of the salary of a Member of the Northern Ireland Assembly. I hope that he would be paid the same from the Dail, although I have no control over that.
517 Some might think new clause 4 to be rather harsh, but it is generous. I understand that those who are Members of the House and of the European Parliament receive a full salary from one place, but only a third of their salary from the other. In effect, they are no better off, but the real problem lies with new clause 5, which would cut the office costs allowance paid to a Member by 50 per cent. Members would receive half the full amount of salary and office costs allowance that they could claim. The trouble is that those who have a representative role in Europe can claim 100 per cent. of their allowances from the House and 100 per cent. of the office costs allowance from Europe. That is unreasonable, but it seems even less reasonable when we consider the situation in the Northern Ireland Assembly.
If a workman worked only two and a half days a week instead of five, one would not pay him for five days' work. This new clause is most reasonable, so I hope that the Minister will recognise the force of my argument and accept it. It is completely in line with the policy pursued by successive Governments. I hope that the Minister will apply this proposal or something close to it.
§ Mr. George HowarthAs the hon. Gentleman rightly said, the two new clauses would abate by 50 per cent. the salaries and allowances of Members of the Northern Ireland Assembly who are also Members of the Irish legislature. They would apply the abatement to Members of the Dail and the Seanad.
I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman has examined section 47 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998, but it requires that an Assembly Member's salary be abated if he is also a Member of the House of Commons. No such abatement is applied in respect of Members of the Irish Seanad, who may already sit as Members of the Assembly.
Since devolution on 2 December 1999, the Assembly has had the power under section 47 of the 1998 Act to determine the salaries and allowances of its Members. It is already within the Assembly's powers under those provisions to abate salaries and allowances in the manner proposed in the new clause if it so chooses. Given that the Assembly already has that power, the Government see no need to make special provision in the Bill.
I know that the hon. Gentleman takes a close interest in these matters. He will be aware that the Assembly has already chosen to use those powers. That being the case, the new clause is unnecessary, although it is important to express the principle. The Assembly has those powers, and that is the right place for them to be exercised.
§ Mr. RossI am afraid that I cannot agree with the Minister. I think that the place in which to put down the marker is this House. We are dealing with a subordinate legislature, and there is no guarantee that it will apply the principle that I have enunciated and that applies in Europe. I am setting out a general principle that should apply right across the board, which is that Members can draw a salary only for the amount of work they do, and they can draw only the secretarial allowances that apply to that work.
In all truth, it was the thought of some hon. Members not carrying out all their duties but drawing their salaries and lifting £100,000 or thereabouts in allowances that sparked off this amendment in my mind. The principle 518 embodied in the new clause is sound. If the Minister is not prepared to be more reasonable than he has been hitherto, I shall press the new clause to a vote.
§ Sir Patrick CormackThe Minister has acknowledged the validity of the proposition tabled by my hon. Friend. The only difference between us is whether it should be enshrined in the Bill. We can see no good reason why it should not be, so we would advise right hon. and hon. Friends to support the new clause.
Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—
§ The Committee divided: Ayes 139, Noes 337.
516| Division No. 49] | [4.54 pm |
| AYES | |
| Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey) | Greenway, John |
| Ancram, Rt Hon Michael | Grieve, Dominic |
| Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James | Hague, Rt Hon William |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie |
| Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) | Hammond, Philip |
| Baldry, Tony | Hawkins, Nick |
| Ballard, Jackie | Hayes, John |
| Beggs, Roy | Heald, Oliver |
| Beith, Rt Hon A J | Heath, David (Somerton & Frome) |
| Bell, Martin (Tatton) | Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David |
| Bercow, John | Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Beresford, Sir Paul | Horam, John |
| Blunt, Crispin | Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) |
| Body, Sir Richard | Hughes, Simon (Southwark N) |
| Boswell, Tim | Jack, Rt Hon Michael |
| Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) | Jenkin, Bernard |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Mrs Virginia | Johnson Smith, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Brady, Graham | |
| Brake, Tom | Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) |
| Brazier, Julian | Keetch, Paul |
| Breed, Colin | Key, Robert |
| Browning, Mrs Angela | King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) | Kirkbride, Miss Julie |
| Burnett, John | Laing, Mrs Eleanor |
| Burns, Simon | Lait, Mrs Jacqui |
| Burstow, Paul | Lansley, Andrew |
| Butterfill, John | Letwin, Oliver |
| Cable, Dr Vincent | Lewis, Dr Julian (New Forest E) |
| Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies (NE Fife) | Lidington, David |
| Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham) | |
| Cash, William | Llwyd, Elfyn |
| Chope, Christopher | Loughton, Tim |
| Cormack, Sir Patrick | Luff, Peter |
| Cotter, Brian | Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas |
| Cran, James | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Curry, Rt Hon David | McIntosh, Miss Anne |
| Davey, Edward (Kingston) | MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew |
| Davies, Quentin (Grantham) | Maclean, Rt Hon David |
| Day, Stephen | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Donaldson, Jeffrey | Madel, Sir David |
| Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen | Maginnis, Ken |
| Duncan, Alan | Major, Rt Hon John |
| Duncan Smith, Iain | Maples, John |
| Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Mates, Michael |
| Evans, Nigel | Maude, Rt Hon Francis |
| Faber, David | Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian |
| Fabricant, Michael | May, Mrs Theresa |
| Fallon, Michael | Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) |
| Fearn, Ronnie | Moore, Michael |
| Flight, Howard | Moss, Malcolm |
| Forsythe, Clifford | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Forth, Rt Hon Eric | Norman, Archie |
| Foster, Don (Bath) | O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury) |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman | Ottaway, Richard |
| Fox, Dr Liam | Page, Richard |
| Fraser, Christopher | Paice, James |
| Gale, Roger | Paterson, Owen |
| George, Andrew (St Ives) | Pickles, Eric |
| Gibb, Nick | Portillo, Rt Hon Michael |
| Gill, Christopher | Prior, David |
| Gillan, Mrs Cheryl | Randall, John |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Redwood, Rt Hon John |
| Gray, James | Rendel, David |
| Green, Damian | Robathan, Andrew |
| Robertson, Laurence | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxboume) | Taylor, Sir Teddy |
| Ross, William (E Lond'y) | Thompson, William |
| Rowe, Andrew (Faversham) | Tonge, Dr Jenny |
| Ruffley, David | Trend, Michael |
| Russell, Bob (Colchester) | Tyler, Paul |
| St Aubyn, Nick | Tyrie, Andrew |
| Sanders, Adrian | Viggers, Peter |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Walter, Robert |
| Shephard, Rt Hon Mrs Gillian | Waterson, Nigel |
| Shepherd, Richard | Webb, Steve |
| Simpson, Keith (Mid-Norfolk) | Wells, Bowen |
| Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns) | Whitney, Sir Raymond |
| Soames, Nicholas | Whittingdale, John |
| Spelman, Mrs Caroline | Widdecombe, Rt Hon Miss Ann |
| Spicer, Sir Michael | Willetts, David |
| Spring, Richard | Willis, Phil |
| Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
| Steen, Anthony | Winterton, Nicholas (Macclesfield) |
| Streeter, Gary | Yeo, Tim |
| Stunell, Andrew | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
| Swayne, Desmond | |
| Syms, Robert | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Tapsell, Sir Peter | Rev. Martin Smyth and |
| Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton) | Mr. Geoffrey Clifton- |
| Taylor, John M (Solihull) | Brown. |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Casale, Roger |
| Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley N) | Cawsey, Ian |
| Ainger, Nick | Chaytor, David |
| Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) | Clapham, Michael |
| Alexander, Douglas | Clark, Dr Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands) |
| Allen, Graham | |
| Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) | Clark, Paul (Gillingham) |
| Anderson, Janet (Rossendale) | Clarke, Charles (Norwich S) |
| Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary | Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) |
| Ashton, Joe | Clarke, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge) |
| Atkins, Charlotte | Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) |
| Austin, John | Clelland, David |
| Banks, Tony | Clwyd, Ann |
| Barnes, Harry | Coaker, Vernon |
| Battle, John | Coffey, Ms Ann |
| Beard, Nigel | Coleman, Iain |
| Beckett, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret | Colman, Tony |
| Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough) | Connarty, Michael |
| Benn, Hilary (Leeds C) | Cook, Frank (Stockton N) |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony (Chesterfield) | Cooper, Yvette |
| Bennett, Andrew F | Corbett, Robin |
| Benton, Joe | Corbyn, Jeremy |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Corston, Jean |
| Berry, Roger | Cousins, Jim |
| Best, Harold | Cranston, Ross |
| Betts, Clive | Crausby, David |
| Blears, Ms Hazel | Cryer, John (Hornchurch) |
| Blizzard, Bob | Cummings, John |
| Blunkett, Rt Hon David | Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S) |
| Borrow, David | Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire |
| Bradley, Keith (Withington) | Dalyell, Tam |
| Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) | Darling, Rt Hon Alistair |
| Bradshaw, Ben | Darvill, Keith |
| Brinton, Mrs Helen | Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) |
| Brown, Rt Hon Gordon (Dunfermline E) | Davidson, Ian |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | |
| Brown, Russell (Dumfries) | Davies, Geraint (Croydon C) |
| Browne, Desmond | Dawson, Hilton |
| Burden, Richard | Dean, Mrs Janet |
| Burgon, Colin | Denham, John |
| Butler, Mrs Christine | Dismore, Andrew |
| Byers, Rt Hon Stephen | Dobbin, Jim |
| Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) | Donohoe, Brian H |
| Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) | Doran, Frank |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Dowd, Jim |
| Canavan, Dennis | Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) |
| Cann, Jamie | Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston) |
| Caplin, Ivor | Edwards, Huw |
| Efford, Clive | Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) |
| Ellman, Mrs Louise | Lock, David |
| Ennis, Jeff | Love, Andrew |
| Field, Rt Hon Frank | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Fisher, Mark | McCabe, Steve |
| Fitzsimons, Loma | McCartney, Rt Hon Ian (Makerfield) |
| Follett, Barbara | |
| Foster, Rt Hon Derek | McDonagh, Siobhain |
| Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings) | Macdonald, Calum |
| Foster, Michael J (Worcester) | McDonnell, John |
| Galloway, George | McFall, John |
| Gapes, Mike | McGuire, Mrs Anne |
| Gardiner, Barry | McIsaac, Shona |
| Gerrard, Neil | Mackinlay, Andrew |
| Gibson, Dr Ian | McNulty, Tony |
| Gilroy, Mrs Linda | MacShane, Denis |
| Godsiff, Roger | Mactaggart, Fiona |
| Goggins, Paul | McWalter, Tony |
| Golding, Mrs Llin | McWilliam, John |
| Griffiths, Jane (Reading E) | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Mallaber, Judy |
| Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) |
| Grocott, Bruce | Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury) |
| Hain, Peter | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
| Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale) | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Hall, Patrick (Bedford) | Marshall-Andrews, Robert |
| Hamilton, Fabian (Leeds NE) | Martlew, Eric |
| Hanson, David | Maxton, John |
| Harman, Rt Hon Ms Harriet | Meale, Alan |
| Heal, Mrs Sylvia | Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley) |
| Healey, John | Milburn, Rt Hon Alan |
| Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) | Miller, Andrew |
| Hepburn, Stephen | Mitchell, Austin |
| Heppell, John | Moffatt, Laura |
| Hewitt, Ms Patricia | Moonie, Dr Lewis |
| Hill, Keith | Moran, Ms Margaret |
| Hodge, Ms Margaret | Morley, Elliot |
| Hood, Jimmy | Morris, Rt Hon Ms Estelle (B'ham Yardley) |
| Hope, Phil | |
| Hopkins, Kelvin | Morris, Rt Hon Sir John (Aberavon) |
| Howarth, Alan (Newport E) | |
| Howarth, George (Knowsley N) | Mountford, Kali |
| Hoyle, Lindsay | Mudie, George |
| Hughes, Ms Beverley (Stretford) | Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) |
| Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) | Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) |
| Hurst, Alan | Murphy, Rt Hon Paul (Torfaen) |
| Iddon, Dr Brian | Norris, Dan |
| Illsley, Eric | O'Brien, Bill (Normanton) |
| Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) | O'Brien, Mike (N Warks) |
| Jamieson, David | Olner, Bill |
| Jenkins, Brian | O'Neill, Martin |
| Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn Hatfield) | Osborne, Ms Sandra |
| Palmer, Dr Nick | |
| Jones, Helen (Warrington N) | Pearson, Ian |
| Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) | Pendry, Tom |
| Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak) | Perham, Ms Linda |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S) | Pickthall, Colin |
| Jowell, Rt Hon Ms Tessa | Pike, Peter L |
| Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Plaskitt, James |
| Keeble, Ms Sally | Pond, Chris |
| Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston) | Powell, Sir Raymond |
| Kelly, Ms Ruth | Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E) |
| Kemp, Fraser | Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) |
| Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree) | Prescott, Rt Hon John |
| Kidney, David | Primarolo, Dawn |
| King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) | Prosser, Gwyn |
| Kumar, Dr Ashok | Purchase, Ken |
| Ladyman, Dr Stephen | Quinn, Lawrie |
| Laxton, Bob | Radice, Rt Hon Giles |
| Lepper, David | Rammell, Bill |
| Leslie, Christopher | Reed, Andrew (Loughborough) |
| Levitt, Tom | Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton N) |
| Lewis, Ivan (Bury S) | Roche, Mrs Barbara |
| Lewis, Terry (Worsley) | Rogers, Allan |
| Liddell, Rt Hon Mrs Helen | Rooker, Rt Hon Jeff |
| Linton, Martin | Rooney, Terry |
| Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) | Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) |
| Roy, Frank | Timms, Stephen |
| Ruddock, Joan | Tipping, Paddy |
| Russell, Ms Christine (Chester) | Todd, Mark |
| Ryan, Ms Joan | Touhig, Don |
| Salter, Martin | Trickett, Jon |
| Sarwar, Mohammad | Truswell, Paul |
| Savidge, Malcolm | Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE) |
| Sawford, Phil | Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) |
| Sedgemore, Brian | Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk) |
| Shaw, Jonathan | Turner, Neil (Wigan) |
| Sheerman, Barry | Twigg, Derek (Halton) |
| Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert | Twigg, Stephen (Enfield) |
| Shipley, Ms Debra | Tynan, Bill |
| Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S) | Ward, Ms Claire |
| Singh, Marsha | Wareing, Robert N |
| Skinner, Dennis | Watts, David |
| Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford E) | White, Brian |
| Smith, Angela (Basildon) | Whitehead, Dr Alan |
| Smith, Jacqui (Redditch) | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Smith, LJew (Blaenau Gwent) | Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W) |
| Snape, Peter | |
| Soley, Clive | Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy) |
| Southworth, Ms Helen | Wilson, Brian |
| Spellar, John | Winnick, David |
| Squire, Ms Rachel | Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C) |
| Starkey, Dr Phyllis | Wood, Mike |
| Steinberg, Gerry | Woolas, Phil |
| Stevenson, George | Worthington, Tony |
| Stewart, David (Inverness E) | Wray, James |
| Stinchcombe, Paul | Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth) |
| Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin | Wright, Dr Tony (Cannock) |
| Stuart, Ms Gisela | |
| Taylor, Ms Dari (Stockton S) | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Taylor, David (NW Leics) | Mr. Greg Pope and |
| Temple-Morris, Peter | Mr. Gerry Sutcliffe. |
| Division No. 51] | [7.19 pm |
| AYES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Anderson, Janet (Rossendale) |
| Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley N) | Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary |
| Ainger, Nick | Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy |
| Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) | Ashton, Joe |
| Alexander, Douglas | Atkins, Charlotte |
| Allen, Graham | Austin, John |
| Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) | Ballard, Jackie |
| Banks, Tony | Donohoe, Brian H |
| Barnes, Harry | Doran, Frank |
| Battle, John | Dowd, Jim |
| Bayley, Hugh | Drew, David |
| Beard, Nigel | Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) |
| Beckett, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret | Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston) |
| Bell, Martin (Tatton) | Edwards, Huw |
| Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough) | Efford, Clive |
| Benn, Hilary (Leeds C) | Ellman, Mrs Louise |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony (Chesterfield) | Ennis, Jeff |
| Bennett, Andrew F | Fearn, Ronnie |
| Benton, Joe | Field, Rt Hon Frank |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Fisher, Mark |
| Berry, Roger | Follett, Barbara |
| Best, Harold | Foster, Rt Hon Derek |
| Betts, Clive | Foster, Don (Bath) |
| Blackman, Liz | Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings) |
| Blears, Ms Hazel | Foster, Michael J (Worcester) |
| Blizzard, Bob | Foulkes, George |
| Borrow, David | Galloway, George |
| Bradley, Keith (Withington) | Gapes, Mike |
| Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) | Gardiner, Barry |
| Bradshaw, Ben | George, Andrew (St Ives) |
| Breed, Colin | Gerrard, Neil |
| Brinton, Mrs Helen | Gibson, Dr Ian |
| Brown, Russell (Dumfries) | Godsiff, Roger |
| Browne, Desmond | Goggins, Paul |
| Burden, Richard | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Burgon, Colin | Gordon, Mrs Eileen |
| Burstow, Paul | Griffiths, Jane (Reading E) |
| Butler, Mrs Christine | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) | Grocott, Bruce |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Grogan, John |
| Canavan, Dennis | Gunnell, John |
| Cann, Jamie | Hain, Peter |
| Caplin, Ivor | Hall, Patrick (Bedford) |
| Casale, Roger | Hamilton, Fabian (Leeds NE) |
| Cawsey, Ian | Hanson, David |
| Chapman, Ben (Wirral S) | Harman, Rt Hon Ms Harriet |
| Chaytor, David | Heal, Mrs Sylvia |
| Clapham, Michael | Heath, David (Somerton & Frome) |
| Clark, Dr Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands) | Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) |
| Hepburn, Stephen | |
| Clark, Paul (Gillingham) | Heppell, John |
| Clarke, Charles (Norwich S) | Hesford, Stephen |
| Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) | Hewitt, Ms Patricia |
| Clarke, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge) | Hill, Keith |
| Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) | Hinchliffe, David |
| Clelland, David | Hodge, Ms Margaret |
| Clwyd, Ann | Hood, Jimmy |
| Coaker, Vernon | Hope, Phil |
| Coffey, Ms Ann | Hopkins, Kelvin |
| Coleman, Iain | Howarth, George (Knowsley N) |
| Colman, Tony | Hoyle, Lindsay |
| Connarty, Michael | Hughes, Ms Beverley (Stretford) |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) |
| Corbett, Robin | Hughes, Simon (Southwark N) |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Hurst, Alan |
| Corston, Jean | Iddon, Dr Brian |
| Cotter, Brian | Illsley, Eric |
| Cranston, Ross | Ingram, Rt Hon Adam |
| Crausby, David | Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) |
| Cryer, John (Hornchurch) | Jamieson, David |
| Cummings, John | Jenkins, Brian |
| Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S) | Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn Hatfield) |
| Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire | |
| Darvill, Keith | Jones, Helen (Warrington N) |
| Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) | Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) |
| Davidson, Ian | Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak) |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S) |
| Davies, Geraint (Croydon C) | Jowell, Rt Hon Ms Tessa |
| Dean, Mrs Janet | Keeble, Ms Sally |
| Denham, John | Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston) |
| Dismore, Andrew | Kelly, Ms Ruth |
| Dobbin, Jim | Kemp, Fraser |
| Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree) | Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E) |
| Kidney, David | Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) |
| Kilfoyle, Peter | Primarolo, Dawn |
| King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) | Prosser, Gwyn |
| Kumar, Dr Ashok | Purchase, Ken |
| Ladyman, Dr Stephen | Quin, Rt Hon Ms Joyce |
| Laxton, Bob | Quinn, Lawrie |
| Lepper, David | Radice, Rt Hon Giles |
| Leslie, Christopher | Rammell, Bill |
| Levitt, Tom | Reed, Andrew (Loughborough) |
| Lewis, Ivan (Bury S) | Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton N) |
| Lewis, Terry (Worsley) | Rendel, David |
| Liddell, Rt Hon Mrs Helen | Rooney, Terry |
| Linton, Martin | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) | Roy, Frank |
| Llwyd, Elfyn | Ruddock, Joan |
| Lock, David | Russell, Bob (Colchester) |
| Love, Andrew | Russell, Ms Christine (Chester) |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Ryan, Ms Joan |
| McCartney, Rt Hon Ian (Makerfield) | Salter, Martin |
| Sanders, Adrian | |
| McDonagh, Siobhain | Sarwar, Mohammad |
| Macdonald, Calum | Savidge, Malcolm |
| McDonnell, John | Sawford, Phil |
| McFall, John | Sedgemore, Brian |
| McGuire, Mrs Anne | Shaw, Jonathan |
| McIsaac, Shona | Sheerman, Barry |
| Mackinlay, Andrew | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Maclennan, Rt Hon Robert | Shipley, Ms Debra |
| McNulty, Tony | Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S) |
| MacShane, Denis | Singh, Marsha |
| Mactaggart, Fiona | Skinner, Dennis |
| McWalter, Tony | Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford E) |
| McWilliam, John | Smith, Jacqui (Redditch) |
| Mahon, Mrs Alice | Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) |
| Mallaber, Judy | Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns) |
| Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) | Snape, Peter |
| Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury) | Southworth, Ms Helen |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Spellar, John |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Squire, Ms Rachel |
| Marshall-Andrews, Robert | Starkey, Dr Phyllis |
| Martlew, Eric | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Maxton, John | Stevenson, George |
| Meale, Alan | Stewart, David (Inverness E) |
| Merron, Gillian | Stinchcombe, Paul |
| Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley) | Stoate, Dr Howard |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) | Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin |
| Miller, Andrew | Stuart, Ms Gisela |
| Mitchell, Austin | Stunell, Andrew |
| Moonie, Dr Lewis | Sutcliffe, Gerry |
| Moore, Michael | Taylor, Ms Dari (Stockton S) |
| Moran, Ms Margaret | Taylor, David (NW Leics) |
| Morris, Rt Hon Ms Estelle (B'ham Yardley) | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) | |
| Morris, Rt Hon Sir John (Aberavon) | Timms, Stephen |
| Tipping, Paddy | |
| Mountford, Kali | Todd, Mark |
| Mudie, George | Tonge, Dr Jenny |
| Mullin, Chris | Trickett, Jon |
| Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) | Truswell, Paul |
| Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) | Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE) |
| Murphy, Rt Hon Paul (Torfaen) | Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) |
| Norris, Dan | Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk) |
| O'Brien, Bill (Normanton) | Turner, Neil (Wigan) |
| O'Brien, Mike (N Warks) | Twigg, Derek (Halton) |
| Olner, Bill | Twigg, Stephen (Enfield) |
| Osborne, Ms Sandra | Tyler, Paul |
| Palmer, Dr Nick | Tynan, Bill |
| Pearson, Ian | Ward, Ms Claire |
| Pendry, Tom | Wareing, Robert N |
| Pickthall, Colin | Watts, David |
| Plaskitt, James | Webb, Steve |
| Pollard, Kerry | Welsh, Andrew |
| Pond, Chris | White, Brian |
| Pope, Greg | Whitehead, Dr Alan |
| Powell, Sir Raymond | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W) | Woolas, Phil |
| Worthington, Tony | |
| Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy) | Wray, James |
| Willis, Phil | Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth) |
| Wilson, Brian | Wright, Dr Tony (Cannock) |
| Winnick, David | |
| Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Wise, Audrey | Mr. Mike Hall and |
| Wood, Mike | Mr. Don Touhig. |
| NOES | |
| Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey) | Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter |
| Amess, David | Evans, Nigel |
| Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James | Faber, David |
| Beggs, Roy | Fabricant, Michael |
| Bercow, John | Fallon, Michael |
| Beresford, Sir Paul | Flight, Howard |
| Blunt, Crispin | Forsythe, Clifford |
| Body, Sir Richard | Forth, Rt Hon Eric |
| Boswell, Tim | Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman |
| Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) | Fox, Dr Liam |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Mrs Virginia | Fraser, Christopher |
| Brady, Graham | Gale, Roger |
| Brazier, Julian | Gibb, Nick |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Gill, Christopher |
| Browning, Mrs Angela | Gillan, Mrs Cheryl |
| Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Burns, Simon | Gray, James |
| Butterfill, John | Green, Damian |
| Cash, William | Greenway, John |
| Chope, Christopher | Grieve, Dominic |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rayleigh) | Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie |
| Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey | Hammond, Philip |
| Collins, Tim | Hawkins, Nick |
| Cormack, Sir Patrick | Hayes, John |
| Cran, James | Heald, Oliver |
| Curry, Rt Hon David | Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David |
| Davies, Quentin (Grantham) | Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Davis, Rt Hon David (Haltemprice) | Horam, John |
| Day, Stephen | Howard, Rt Hon Michael |
| Donaldson, Jeffrey | Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) |
| Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen | Jack, Rt Hon Michael |
| Duncan, Alan | Jenkin, Bernard |
| Duncan Smith, Iain | Key, Robert |
| King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) | Roe, Mrs Marion (Btoxbourne) |
| Kirkbride, Miss Julie | Ross, William (E Lond'y) |
| Lait, Mrs Jacqui | Rowe, Andrew (Faversham) |
| Lansley, Andrew | Ruffley, David |
| Leigh, Edward | St Aubyn, Nick |
| Letwin, Oliver | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Lewis, Dr Julian (New Forest E) | Shephard, Rt Hon Mrs Gillian |
| Lidington, David | Shepherd, Richard |
| Lilley, Rt Hon Peter | Simpson, Keith (Mid-Norfolk) |
| Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham) | Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S) |
| Loughton, Tim | Soames, Nicholas |
| Luff, Peter | Spelman, Mrs Caroline |
| Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Spicer, Sir Michael |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Spring, Richard |
| McIntosh, Miss Anne | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew | Swayne, Desmond |
| Maclean, Rt Hon David | Syms, Robert |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Madel, Sir David | Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton) |
| Maginnis, Ken | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Taylor, Sir Teddy |
| Maples, John | Thompson, William |
| Maude, Rt Hon Francis | Tredinnick, David |
| Mawhinnev Rt Hon Sir Brian | Trend, Michael |
| Tyrie, Andrew | |
| May, Mrs Theresa | Viggers, Peter |
| Moss, Malcolm | Walter, Robert |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Waterson, Nigel |
| Norman, Archie | Wells, Bowen |
| O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury) | Whitney, Sir Raymond |
| Ottaway, Richard | Whittingdale, John |
| Page, Richard | Willetts, David |
| Paice, James | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
| Paterson, Owen | Winterton, Nicholas (Macclesfield) |
| Pickles, Eric | Yeo, Tim |
| Portillo, Rt Hon Michael | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
| Randall, John | |
| Redwood, Rt Hon John | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Robathan, Andrew | Mrs. Eleanor Laing and |
| Robertson. Laurence | Mr. Peter Atkinson. |
§ Question accordingly negatived.