§ '—(1) The trustees of the BBC Pension Scheme shall refer to the Secretary of State, before such date as he may specify, the division and distribution of the relevant assets which is to be made for the purpose of making a transfer payment to a pension scheme established for their employees by a person or persons specified in a scheme under section 110 of the Act (the specified person); any such division and distribution of those assets and liabilities shall not be made by the trustees except—
- (a) with the consent of the Secretary of State, or
- (b) in accordance with an order made by the Secretary of State under subsection (2).
§ (2) Where any such division and distribution is referred to the Secretary of State under subsection (1), he may by order direct that the relevant assets shall be divided and distributed by the trustees in such a manner, and such a time, as is specified in the order; and any provision of—
- (a) the pension scheme established by the specified person referred to in subsection (1), or
- (b) any enactment relating to occupational pension schemes, including any enactment relating to transfer values,
§ shall not have effect to the extent that it is inconsistent with the division and distribution of those assets in accordance with any such order.
§ (3) When making an order under subsection (2) the Secretary of State shall have regard to the interests of all classes of persons who are for the time being beneficiaries under the scheme referred to in subsection (1).
§ (4) In this clause, "the relevant assets" means the assets held by or on behalf of the trustees and "the trustees" means the trustees of the Scheme referred to in subsection (1).
§ (5) An order under subsection (2) shall be subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament.'.—[Dr. John Cunningham.]
§ Brought up, and read the First time.
§ Motion made, and Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 256, Noes 284.
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| AYES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Austin-Walker, John |
| Adams, Mrs Irene | Banks, Tony (Newham NW) |
| Ainger, Nick | Barnes, Harry |
| Allen, Graham | Barron, Kevin |
| Alton, David | Battle, John |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Bayley, Hugh |
| Ashton, Joe | Beckett, Rt Hon Margaret |
| Beggs, Roy | Gapes, Mike |
| Bell, Stuart | Garrett, John |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | George, Bruce |
| Bennett, Andrew F | Gerrard, Neil |
| Benton, Joe | Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Godman, Dr Norman A |
| Berry, Roger | Godsiff, Roger |
| Betts, Clive | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Blunkett, David | Graham, Thomas |
| Boateng, Paul | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Bradley, Keith | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Brown, N (N'c'tle upon Tyne E) | Grocott, Bruce |
| Byers, Stephen | Gunnell, John |
| Caborn, Richard | Hall, Mike |
| Callaghan, Jim | Hanson, David |
| Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) | Hardy, Peter |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Harman, Ms Harriet |
| Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) | Harvey, Nick |
| Campbell-Savours, D N | Henderson, Doug |
| Canavan, Dennis | Heppell, John |
| Cann, Jamie | Hill, Keith (Streatham) |
| Chidgey, David | Hinchliffe, David |
| Chisholm, Malcolm | Hodge, Margaret |
| Church, Judith | Hoey, Kate |
| Clapham, Michael | Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld) |
| Clark, Dr David (South Shields) | Home Robertson, John |
| Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) | Hood, Jimmy |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Hoon, Geoffrey |
| Clelland, David | Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A) |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Howarth, George (Knowsley North) |
| Coffey, Ann | Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) |
| Cohen, Harry | Hoyle, Doug |
| Connarty, Michael | Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Cook, Robin (Livingston) | Hughes, Simon (Southwark) |
| Corbett, Robin | Hutton, John |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Illsley, Eric |
| Corston, Jean | Ingram, Adam |
| Cousins, Jim | Jackson, Glenda (H'stead) |
| Cox, Tom | Jackson, Helen (Shef'ld, H) |
| Cummings, John | Jamieson, David |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Jenkins, Brian |
| Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) | Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side) |
| Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr John | Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) |
| Cunningham, Ms Roseanna | Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O) |
| Dafis, Cynog | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW) |
| Dalyell, Tam | Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) |
| Darling, Alistair | Jowell, Tessa |
| Davidson, Ian | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
| Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral) | Keen, Alan |
| Davies, Chris | Kennedy, Charles (Ross, C&S) |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Kennedy, Jane (L'pool Br'dg'n) |
| Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | Khabra, Piara S |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'l) | Kilfoyle, Peter |
| Denham, John | Kirkwood, Archy |
| Dewar, Donald | Lestor, Joan (Eccles) |
| Dixon, Don | Lewis, Terry |
| Dobson, Frank | Liddell, Mrs Helen |
| Donohoe, Brian H | Litherland, Robert |
| Dowd, Jim | Livingstone, Ken |
| Eagle, Ms Angela | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
| Eastham, Ken | Llwyd, Elfyn |
| Etherington, Bill | Lynne, Ms Liz |
| Evans, John (St Helens N) | McAllion, John |
| Ewing, Mrs Margaret | McCartney, Ian |
| Fatchett Derek | Macdonald, Calum |
| Faulds, Andrew | McFall, John |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | McKelvey, William |
| Flynn, Paul | Mackinlay, Andrew |
| Forsythe, Clifford (S Antrim) | McLeish, Henry |
| Foster, Rt Hon Derek | Maclennan, Robert |
| Foster, Don (Bath) | McNamara, Kevin |
| Foulkes, George | MacShane, Denis |
| Fyfe, Maria | McWilliam, John |
| Galbraith, Sam | Madden, Max |
| Galloway, George | Maddock, Diana |
| Mahon, Alice | Rooney, Terry |
| Mandelson, Peter | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Marek, Dr John | Ross, William (E Londonderry) |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Rowlands, Ted |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester, S) | Salmond, Alex |
| Martin, Michael J (Springburn) | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Martlew, Eric | Sheerman, Barry |
| Maxton, John | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Meacher, Michael | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Meale, Alan | Short, Clare |
| Michael, Alun | Simpson, Alan |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Miller, Andrew | Smith, Chris (Isl'ton S & F'sbury) |
| Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby) | Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) |
| Molyneaux, Rt Hon Sir James | Snape, Peter |
| Moonie, Dr Lewis | Spearing, Nigel |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Spellar, John |
| Morley, Elliot | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley) | Stevenson, George |
| Mowlam, Marjorie | Strang, Dr. Gavin |
| Mudie, George | Straw, Jack |
| Mullin, Chris | Sutcliffe, Gerry |
| O'Brien, William (Normanton) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| O'Hara, Edward | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Olner, Bill | Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) |
| O'Neill, Martin | Timms, Stephen |
| Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | Touhig, Don |
| Pearson, Ian | Trickett, Jon |
| Pendry, Tom | Turner, Dennis |
| Pickthall, Colin | Tyler. Paul |
| Pike, Peter L | Wallace, James |
| Pope, Greg | Walley, Joan |
| Prentice, Bridget (Lew'm E) | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) | Wareing, Robert N |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Purchase, Ken | Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W) |
| Quin, Ms Joyce | Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen) |
| Radice, Giles | Wilson, Brian |
| Randall, Stuart | Worthington, Tony |
| Raynsford, Nick | Wray, Jimmy |
| Rendel, David | Wright, Dr Tony |
| Robertson, George (Hamilton) | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'try NW) | |
| Roche, Mrs Barbara | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Rogers, Allan | Mr. Peter Hain and Mr. Robert Ainsworth. |
| Rooker, Jeff |
| NOES | |
| Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) | Bowden, Sir Andrew |
| Aitken, Rt Hon Jonathan | Bowis, John |
| Alexander, Richard | Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) | Brandreth, Gyles |
| Allason, Rupert (Torbay) | Brazier, Julian |
| Amess, David | Bright, Sir Graham |
| Arbuthnot, James | Brooke, Rt Hon Peter |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Brown, M (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) |
| Ashby, David | Browning, Mrs Angela |
| Atkins, Rt Hon Robert | Bruce, Ian (South Dorset) |
| Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E) | Budgen, Nicholas |
| Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) | Burns, Simon |
| Baker, Rt Hon Kenneth (Mole V) | Burt, Alistair |
| Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) | Butcher, John |
| Banks, Matthew (Southport) | Butler, Peter |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Butterfill, John |
| Bates, Michael | Carlisle, John (Luton North) |
| Batiste, Spencer | Carlisle, Sir Kenneth (Lincoln) |
| Bellingham, Henry | Cash, William |
| Bendall, Vivian | Channon, Rt Hon Paul |
| Beresford, Sir Paul | Chapman, Sir Sydney |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Churchill, Mr |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Clappison, James |
| Booth, Hartley | Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) |
| Boswell, Tim | Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ru'clif) |
| Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) | Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia | Coe, Sebastian |
| Colvin, Michael | Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) |
| Congdon, David | Howell, Sir Ralph (N Norfolk) |
| Conway, Derek | Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st) | Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Hunt, Sir John (Ravensboume) |
| Cope, Rt Hon Sir John | Hunter, Andrew |
| Couchman, James | Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Cran, James | Jack, Michael |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire) | Jackson, Robert (Wantage) |
| Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon) | Jenkin, Bernard |
| Davies, Quentin (Stamford) | Jessel, Toby |
| Day, Stephen | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Deva, Nirj Joseph | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen | Jones, Robert B (W Hertfdshr) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael |
| Dover, Den | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Duncan, Alan | Key, Robert |
| Duncan Smith, Iain | King, Rt Hon Tom |
| Dunn, Bob | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Durant, Sir Anthony | Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) |
| Dykes, Hugh | Knight, Rt Hon Greg (Derby N) |
| Eggar, Rt Hon Tim | Knight, Dame Jill (Bir'm E'st'n) |
| Elletson, Harold | Knox, Sir David |
| Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Kynoch, George (Kincardine) |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) | Lait, Mrs Jacqui |
| Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) | Lamont, Rt Hon Norman |
| Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) | Lang, Rt Hon Ian |
| Evans, Roger (Monmouth) | Lawrence, Sir Ivan |
| Evennett, David | Legg, Barry |
| Faber, David | Leigh, Edward |
| Fabricant, Michael | Lennox-Boyd, Sir Mark |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Lester, Sir Jim |
| Fishburn, Dudley | Lidington, David |
| Forman, Nigel | Lilley, Rt Hon Peter |
| Forth, Eric | Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham) |
| Fox, Rt Hon Sir Marcus (Shipley) | Lord, Michael |
| Freeman, Rt Hon Roger | Luff, Peter |
| French, Douglas | Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas |
| Fry, Sir Peter | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Gale, Roger | MacKay, Andrew |
| Gallie, Phil | Maclean, Rt Hon David |
| Gardiner, Sir George | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan | McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick |
| Garnier, Edward | Madel, Sir David |
| Gill, Christopher | Maitland, Lady Olga |
| Gillan, Cheryl | Malone, Gerald |
| Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair | Mans, Keith |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Marland, Paul |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Marlow, Tony |
| Gorst, Sir John | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
| Grant, Sir A (SW Cambs) | Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Mates, Michael |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) | Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian |
| Grylls, Sir Michael | Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Merchant, Piers |
| Hague, Rt Hon William | Mills, Iain |
| Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archibald | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Mitchell, Sir David (NW Hants) |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Monro, Rt Hon Sir Hector |
| Hanley, Rt Hon Jeremy | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Hannam, Sir John | Needham, Rt Hon Richard |
| Haselhurst, Sir Alan | Nelson, Anthony |
| Hawkins, Nick | Neubert, Sir Michael |
| Hawksley, Warren | Newton, Rt Hon Tony |
| Hayes, Jerry | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Heald, Oliver | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David | Norris, Steve |
| Hendry, Charles | Oppenheim, Phillip |
| Hicks, Sir Robert | Ottaway, Richard |
| Higgins, Rt Hon Sir Terence | Page, Richard |
| Hill, Sir James (Southampton Test) | Paice, James |
| Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) | Patnick, Sir Irvine |
| Horam, John | Patten, Rt Hon John |
| Hordern, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Howard, Rt Hon Michael | Pawsey, James |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Sweeney, Walter |
| Pickles, Eric | Sykes, John |
| Porter, Barry (Wirral S) | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Portillo, Rt Hon Michael | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) |
| Rathbone, Tim | Thomason, Roy |
| Redwood, Rt Hon John | Thompson, Sir Donald (C'er V) |
| Renton, Rt Hon Tim | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Richards, Rod | Thornton, Sir Malcolm |
| Riddick, Graham | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Robathan, Andrew | Townsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th) |
| Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn | Tracey, Richard |
| Robertson, Raymond (Abd'n S) | Tredinnick, David |
| Robinson, Mark (Somerton) | Trend, Michael |
| Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne) | Trotter, Neville |
| Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent) | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Rumbold, Rt Hon Dame Angela | Viggers, Peter |
| Sackville, Tom | Waldegrave, Rt Hon William |
| Sainsbury, Ftt Hon Sir Timothy | Walden, George |
| Scott, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Walker, Bill (N Tayside) |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Waller, Gary |
| Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian | Ward, John |
| Shepherd, Sir Colin (Hereford) | Waterson, Nigel |
| Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) | Watts, John |
| Shersby, Sir Michael | Wells, Bowen |
| Sims, Sir Roger | Wheeler, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Skeet, Sir Trevor | Whitney, Ray |
| Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) | Whitrjngdale, John |
| Soames, Nicholas | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Spencer, Sir Derek | Wiggin, Sir Jerry |
| Spicer, Sir James (W Dorset) | Wilkinson, John |
| Spicer, Sir Michael (S Worcs) | Willetts, David |
| Spink, Dr Robert | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
| Sproat, Iain | Wood, Timothy |
| Squire, Robin (Hornchurch) | Yeo, Tim |
| Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
| Stephen, Michael | |
| Stewart, Allan | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Streeter, Gary | Dr. Liam Fox and Mr. Roger Knapman. |
| Sumberg, David |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Further consideration adjourned.—[Mr. Bates.]
§ To be further considered tomorrow.