§ Question again proposed.
Mr. PorterThe other point that stuck in the fishermen's throats was that they would watch from ports, their boats tied up, while our competitors laughed all the way to Dogger bank and beyond.
My hon. Friends have listened to the deep-seated objections that I and others have, and I am pleased that I feel justified for sticking out against the Bill on Second 1070 Reading. Inevitably, the fight must now move to the other place because the Bill will clearly receive the Third Reading tonight. In the other place, the strength of the undertakings given here by my hon. Friend the Minister will be tested. Should they prove inadequate, the Bill must return to this place for consideration of Lords amendments.
We have said often enough that the decommissioning part of the package is not enough as it has come three years too late. It does not cover the whole industry and it will not succeed in reducing the fleet. If the Bill achieves that through bankruptcy, we will see the truly unacceptable face of the common fisheries policy.
We have had no real debate about the CFP tonight. On Second Reading, I called the CFP a raft of measures, restrictions, curbs, quotas and red tape which fail each year. So what do we do? We come back and pile more such restrictions and curbs on the raft in a desperate attempt to make it work. The Bill is just the latest pile on the raft.
Eventually, the weight of restrictions will sink the raft. In the meantime, the recognisably British activity of sea fishing for a living may be all but wiped out. What a shame that we do not have the guts to scupper it now in lieu of the CFP mid-term review and start again, but this time from the starting point that we have—just: a viable British fishing industry. Let us work together to see how we can make it stay that way, given the realities of the fish stocks.
The Bill has united the industry against it. That is an unprecedented advantage and a baseline for future discussion. Although I do not like it, I recognise the reality of the situation that we, the industry, the country and my hon. Friend the Minister are in. We have wrung some concessions to make the Bill at least a little less unpalatable. That is a gain, given that this is not the end of the voyage. If the Bill had to be introduced at all, I wish that we could have done this much weeks ago.
§ 10.3 pm
§ Mr. Austin MitchellI shall be brief, but I must express the opposition of a united Grimsby fishing industry, while it is still England's premier fishing port, to the Bill. It is a bad Bill. The Minister's rant at the beginning of this Third Reading debate was typical of his approach to the Bill. It has been pushed through without consultation, without answering any of the questions and in a dictatorial fashion. It has been imposed on Back Benchers who should have stood up for the industry.
The Bill has all the hallmarks of bad government. The speed with which it has been enacted, the lack of consultation and the lack of co-operation that it is going to get from the fishermen of this country mean that the Bill is not a workable measure. It is a disastrous measure.
The Bill is bureaucratic, because the Government think that it is simple to count vessels in ports, especially when they are not at sea. The Bill will be enormously complicated to administer and it will not even do anything about the main problem with which it is supposed to deal—conservation. It imposes a direct incentive on the industry to go to sea in the time allowed to catch as much fish, of whatever kind and size, to make up for the tie-up period. The Bill does not even impose proper conservation on the European fishing industry with which we are competing—it will still be allowed to fish untrammelled. As my hon. Friend the Member for Pembroke (Mr. Ainger) said, it will have no effect on the quota hoppers.
1071 British fishermen are justified in feeling that they are being discriminated against. Quota hoppers registered in this country are now allowed to spend their days, when they should be tied up, in foreign ports where they will be unsupervised. How do we know that there will not be fishing? There will be fishing. That is discrimination against the British fishing industry.
The Minister has bought off Back Benchers who should have known better and who should have represented their fishing industry, with all its complaints and agonies and the loss of work and earnings that has been imposed on it and the blow that has been dealt to the most vulnerable people in the country. Conservative Members have just allowed a measure to go through with a concession that is no concession at all. If they let the Bill go through now, what possible chance have they of holding up its implementation later? The pass is now sold, and they have sold it for nothing—for no gains and no concessions from the Government. There is no chance now of stopping the measure. Conservative Members have even thrown away the chance to impose the better option, which is a gear option—bigger mesh sizes and better gear to give us proper conservation and deal with the problem. This is an appalling exercise in misjudgment, bad government and dictatorial behaviour.
A great responsibility is now imposed on the Minister, and I hope that, for once, he will listen to something that is being said to him. He has his measure. He has been able to impose it on Back Benchers who have been weak-willed and who have no guts to represent their fishermen. He has imposed the measure without consultation with the industry. That imposes an enormous responsibility on the Minister. He has been shown, by the ease with which he has got his measure through, that he can get away with anything. It is up to him now to deal justly and fairly with an industry that, until now, has been trampled on and to deal with it honourably, because he is an honourable man. It is up to him not to brutalise the industry in the way that the measure allows him to do but to cherish it, support it, help it and give it compensation and what it has not had in the Bill—a fair deal.
§ 10.6 pm
§ Mr. TrotterAll too often, the Government's approach to the problems of the industry seem to be piecemeal. I still await the day when we shall see a plan that seeks to fit together the various courses of action that can be helpful in an inevitably difficult scenario. We seem to be seeking a unilateral solution to an international problem. One of the anxieties that the industry shares with me is that, through the Bill, we are seeking a system that is easily enforced—perhaps hard to administer bureaucratically, as some of my hon. Friends have pointed out, but easy in principle to enforce—while our competitors will be free to continue to adopt measures that do not lend themselves to enforcement. That is clearly unfair.
The Government have listened to what my hon. Friends and I have said—even if they have listened very late in the day—and they have made major concessions. My hon. Friend the Minister has made pledges that are of great value. I should like to consider what will happen in the next few months. We shall see further proceedings in another place. I am sure that the pledges that have been 1072 given today will be translated into Government amendments in the Upper House. I also expect very determined action by the Government on the international scene while we chair the European Commission. I very much hope that when we next debate this subject we will see perhaps not a level playing field but a smooth sea, so that the same conditions affect our industry as are seen to affect our competitors.
With the concessions made today, the Government have justified our support, but they are on trial, especially when they are in a position in Brussels to act to correct something that has been wrong for far too long.
§ 10.8 pm
Mr. John D. TaylorI must begin by congratulating the Minister on the way in which he has managed to destroy opposition on Government Benches. On 7 July, hon. Members attended Westminster central hall to listen to 3,500 fishermen from all parts of the United Kingdom. From the beginning to the end of the meeting, I sat at the back of the hall, and I was very impressed with speeches by Conservative Members who represented fishing constituencies and who promised fishermen that they would fight the Bill. They sat on the platform to be photographed, to be televised and to receive publicity.
The Minister destroyed that opposition tonight by the way in which he delivered his speech. He has certainly melted all opposition. The Conservative Members who, only a week ago, promised that they would support the fishermen of this kingdom, have tonight let them down.
The Bill is not welcomed by the fishing industry. There are many reasons for the opposition to it. It is criminal to recommend the imposition of a fine of £50,000 when a small boat just over 10m in length happens to breach the regulations. But the main reason for our opposition to the Bill is that it discriminates against British fishermen. The European Community has a common fisheries policy, but if the policy is indeed to be common it should be applied to all fishing boats, not just those from the United Kingdom. While we introduce legislation that disadvantages our fishing industry but enables other boats to come into our waters and take our fish, we shall damage our own industry.
The Minister made a brilliant Third Reading speech. It was what one expected from him. It was fluent and well-informed, and once again the hon. Gentleman demonstrated that he was on top of the subject. But anyone reading the speech in Hansard will see that he said at least four times that the fishing industry wants the Bill. I can tell him that the fishing industry of the United Kingdom does not want it. The industry sees it simply as a Government mechanism to introduce a decommissioning scheme on the cheap. If farmers can be properly compensated when they have to cut their production, we ought to have a proper decommissioning scheme to support our fishing industry, as other parts of the European Community have.
We in the parliamentary Ulster Unionist party will unite as a team and vote against the Bill.
§ Mr. SteenThe problem at Third Reading has been caused largely by a lack of clarity as to what my hon. Friend the Minister actually said. I wonder whether, before we complete the Third Reading, my hon. Friend 1073 will spell out, in words that everybody, even my hon. Friend the Member for Harwich (Mr. Sproat), can understand, exactly what the concessions are. My understanding is that the legislation will be brought back to the House only when the Government are satisfied that the other European Governments are putting in place legislation that will have the same effect in this country as in their own. There is some confusion on both sides of the House as to whether it is only then that the Bill will be brought back for affirmative action. Before we vote on Third Reading, my hon. Friend the Minister should spell out, for the benefit of hon. Members on both sides of the House, exactly what the concessions are. The whole House ought to know on what it is voting.
That is the only contribution that I want to make to the Third Reading debate.
§ Mr. Calum Macdonald (Western Isles)The Minister wants to maintain the confusion. In Committee, he undertook to consider the possibility of Government and EC assistance for exploratory voyages in the fishing grounds west of the Hebrides in connection with French and other boats. Has he been able to come to any conclusions? If he cannot give me a reply tonight, perhaps he would write to me.
§ Mr. WilsonThere has not been much humour during the passage of the Bill. In particular, there has not been much humour for fishermen. On the memorable day last week on which the fishermen came to London, the opinions of the British fishing industry were summed up by a banner outside the House of Commons, which said, "Skinner in, squirt out". I believe that that is an old piece of fishing terminology.
This is a bad, bureaucratic Bill based on a deeply flawed approach to conservation. I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Greenock and Port Glasgow (Dr. Godman) that the Bill will go to the European Court and will be challenged legally. When it is challenged, that will surely be the first recorded case of a national Government being taken to court for discriminating against not the peoples of other countries but their own people.
Throughout the passage of the Bill, I have been appalled by the carelessness with which Conservative Members deal with other people's livelihoods. In what other industry would Members of Parliament vote for legislation which deliberately and systematically reduces to a pitiful level the number of days in the year on which people are allowed to go out and earn their livelihood? If Conservative Members were treated in that way in their part-time employment, never mind their full-time employment, and if their ability to earn was interfered with, they would rightly be aggrieved.
Once again, the Tories are setting up an enormous bureaucracy. They have set up a bureaucracy of tribunals and appeals. Every little boat in the country will have a number of days fishing set aside. If a Government of any other hue set up such a huge bureaucracy, Conservative Members would complain and talk about Stalinism, 1074 centralism and the rest. But willy-nilly in legislation such as this, they set up huge bureaucracies under which other people have to live.
Nothing in the Bill guarantees even the conservation ends to which the Bill pays lip service. In fishing ports throughout the country, fishing vessels and fishermen who do no harm to the cause of conservation will have the regulations and legislation imposed on them. Many of them will go out of business and many will be forced to yield up quotas. The people who are most protected from the legislation are those who do most damage to conservation. The fishermen who will be wiped out do no damage to the conservation of stocks. It is cruelty and it is against natural justice that the fishermen of the small, poor, less capital-intensive ports of the United Kingdom will have their traditional industry destroyed by the legislation.
In the interests of time, I shall be brief, but I shall not lightly forget and the constituents of Tory Members will not forget, Conservative Members who went to the rally across the road a week ago and trembled at the sight of 3,000 fishermen but came back and trembled even more when they went to see their Whips. In future, let us not give those Members the dignity of the name "Tory rebels". Let us call them what they are—Tory kippers, two faces and no guts.
The message to Conservative Members from the electorates of fishing constituencies will be that they can run but they cannot hide. No one will be interested in who abstained. Those constituents will look at who voted for the Bill and will consider that anyone who did so voted against them. The Members from fishing constituencies will either be true to what they said last week when the fishermen were here or they will spinelessly fail to vote against the legislation when the fishermen are not here.
§ Sir Hector MonroIn Committee and today on Report and Third Reading, we have had a good-natured debate on an important subject, but we have understood the anger of the fishermen and their organisations and of some Members of Parliament. The hon. Member for Glanford and Scunthorpe (Mr. Morley) spoke of a slight concession. We made an important change to the Bill tonight as a result of consultations. We shall continue those consultations until the Bill returns from another place. That is some months away. Those consultations will be valuable and we shall use what news we have from the fishing industry to good effect. The hon. Member for Glanford and Scunthorpe underestimated the importance of the appeal tribunals, which we were glad to include in the Bill.
Conservative Members were disappointed that throughout the debate we heard so little about the Opposition's policies. They have never said how much they would put into decommissioning. As a result of the Bill, we shall put in £25 million, and that is part of our conservation package. We have no idea whether the Opposition would have matched that or would have put a higher figure on it. We do not know their views on mesh sizes, technical gear or effort elimination.
There was much talk of conservation from the Opposition Benches. They criticised every Government proposal but kept their own powder dry. We believe 1075 strongly in conservation, and the Bill is an important step forward. In a few years, our scientific advice will prove to be right, when fish stocks begin to increase.
My hon. Friend the minister of State and I want a profitable fishing industry, unfettered by controls. We want the burden of conservation to be shared equally throughout the Community. We shall achieve that, but it will take time, combined with effort by everyone, to reach the levels of conservation that we feel are essential.
The Bill is a usefull and valuable start and I commend it to the House.
§ Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 311, Noes 282.
1079| Division No. 69] | [10.20 pm |
| AYES | |
| Adley, Robert | Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey |
| Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) | Colvin, Michael |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Congdon, David |
| Alexander, Richard | Conway, Derek |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) | Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st) |
| Allason, Rupert (Torbay) | Coombs, Simon (Swindon) |
| Amess, David | Cope, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Ancram, Michael | Cormack, Patrick |
| Arbuthnot, James | Couchman, James |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Cran, James |
| Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv) | Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire) |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon) |
| Atkins, Robert | Davies, Quentin (Stamford) |
| Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E) | Davis, David (Boothferry) |
| Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) | Day, Stephen |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset North) | Deva, Nirj Joseph |
| Baldry, Tony | Devlin, Tim |
| Banks, Matthew (Southport) | Dickens, Geoffrey |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Dicks, Terry |
| Bates, Michael | Dorrell, Stephen |
| Batiste, Spencer | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
| Bellingham, Henry | Dover, Den |
| Bendall, Vivian | Duncan, Alan |
| Beresford, Sir Paul | Duncan-Smith, Iain |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Dunn, Bob |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Durant, Sir Anthony |
| Booth, Hartley | Dykes, Hugh |
| Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) | Eggar, Tim |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia | Elletson, Harold |
| Bowden, Andrew | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Bowis, John | Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes | Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) |
| Brandreth, Gyles | Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) |
| Brazier, Julian | Evans, Roger (Monmouth) |
| Bright, Graham | Evennett, David |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Faber, David |
| Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) | Fabricant, Michael |
| Browning, Mrs. Angela | Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas |
| Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) | Fenner, Dame Peggy |
| Budgen, Nicholas | Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) |
| Burns, Simon | Fishburn, John Dudley |
| Burt, Alistair | Forman, Nigel |
| Butcher, John | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Butler, Peter | Forth, Eric |
| Butterfill, John | Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman |
| Carlisle, John (Luton North) | Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring) |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Fox, Sir Marcus (Shipley) |
| Carrington, Matthew | Freeman, Roger |
| Carttiss, Michael | French, Douglas |
| Cash, William | Fry, Peter |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Gale, Roger |
| Chaplin, Mrs Judith | Gallie, Phil |
| Chapman, Sydney | Gardiner, Sir George |
| Churchill, Mr | Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan |
| Clappison, James | Gamier, Edward |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Gill, Christopher |
| Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ruclif) | Gillan, Ms Cheryl |
| Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Gorst, John | Mates, Michael |
| Grant, Sir Anthony (Cambs SW) | Mawhinney, Dr Brian |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Mellor, Rt Hon David |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) | Merchant, Piers |
| Grylls, Sir Michael | Milligan, Stephen |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Mills, Iain |
| Hague, William | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Hamilton, Rt Hon Archie | Mitchell, Sir David (Hants NW) |
| Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Hannam, Sir John | Moss, Malcolm |
| Hargreaves, Andrew | Needham, Richard |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Nelson, Anthony |
| Hawkins, Nicholas | Neubert, Sir Michael |
| Hawksley, Warren | Newton, Rt Hon Tony |
| Hayes, Jerry | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Heald, Oliver | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) |
| Hendry, Charles | Norris, Steve |
| Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael | Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley |
| Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Oppenheim, Phillip |
| Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) | Ottaway, Richard |
| Horam, John | Page, Richard |
| Hordern, Sir Peter | Paice, James |
| Howard, Rt Hon Michael | Patnick, Irvine |
| Howarth, Alan (Strafrd-on-A) | Patten, Rt Hon John |
| Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Hughes Robert G. (Harrow W) | Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth |
| Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) | Pickles, Eric |
| Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) | Porter, Barry (Wirral S) |
| Hunter, Andrew | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas | Portillo, Rt Hon Michael |
| Jack, Michael | Powell, William (Corby) |
| Jackson, Robert (Wantage) | Redwood, John |
| Jenkin, Bernard | Renton, Rt Hon Tim |
| Jessel, Toby | Richards, Rod |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Riddick, Graham |
| Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) | Rifkind, Rt Hon. Malcolm |
| Jones, Robert B. (W H'f'rdshire) | Robathan, Andrew |
| Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S) |
| Key, Robert | Robinson, Mark (Somerton) |
| Kilfedder, Sir James | Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne) |
| Knapman, Roger | Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent) |
| Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) | Rumbold, Rt Hon Dame Angela |
| Knight, Greg (Derby N) | Ryder, Rt Hon Richard |
| Knight, Dame Jill (Bir'm E'st'n) | Sackville, Tom |
| Knox, David | Sainsbury, Rt Hon Tim |
| Kynoch, George (Kincardine) | Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas |
| Lait, Mrs Jacqui | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Lamont, Rt Hon Norman | Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) |
| Lang, Rt Hon Ian | Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian |
| Lawrence, Sir Ivan | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Legg, Barry | Shersby, Michael |
| Leigh, Edward | Sims, Roger |
| Lennox-Boyd, Mark | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| Lidington, David | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Lightbown, David | Soames, Nicholas |
| Lilley, Rt Hon Peter | Spencer, Sir Derek |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Spicer, Sir James (W Dorset) |
| Lord, Michael | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Luff, Peter | Spink, Dr Robert |
| Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Spring, Richard |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Sproat, Iain |
| MacKay, Andrew | Squire, Robin (Hornchurch) |
| Maclean, David | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Steen, Anthony |
| McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick | Stephen, Michael |
| Madel, David | Stern, Michael |
| Maitland, Lady Olga | Stewart, Allan |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Streeter, Gary |
| Malone, Gerald | Sumberg, David |
| Mans, Keith | Sweeney, Walter |
| Marland, Paul | Sykes, John |
| Marlow, Tony | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Taylor, Ian (Esher) | Ward, John |
| Taylor, John M. (Solihull) | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) | Waterson, Nigel |
| Temple-Morris, Peter | Watts, John |
| Thomason, Roy | Wells, Bowen |
| Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) | Wheeler, Sir John |
| Thornton, Sir Malcolm | Whitney, Ray |
| Thurnham, Peter | Whittingdale, John |
| Townend, John (Bridlington) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexl'yh'th) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Tracey, Richard | Wilkinson, John |
| Tredinnick, David | Wilshire, David |
| Trend, Michael | Wolfson, Mark |
| Trotter, Neville | Wood, Timothy |
| Twinn, Dr Ian | Yeo, Tim |
| Vaughan, Sir Gerard | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Viggers, Peter | |
| Waldegrave, Rt Hon William | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Walden, George | Mr. Timothy Boswell and Mr. Timothy Kirkhope. |
| Walker, Bill (N Tayside) | |
| Waller, Gary |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Corbyn, Jeremy |
| Adams, Mrs Irene | Cousins, Jim |
| Ainger, Nick | Cox, Tom |
| Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) | Cryer, Bob |
| Allen, Graham | Cummings, John |
| Alton, David | Cunliffe, Lawrence |
| Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) | Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) |
| Anderson, Ms Janet (Ros'dale) | Cunningham, Dr John (C'p'l'nd) |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Dafis, Cynog |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Dalyell, Tarn |
| Ashton, Joe | Darling, Alistair |
| Austin-Walker, John | Davidson, Ian |
| Barnes, Harry | Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral) |
| Barron, Kevin | Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) |
| Battle, John | Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) |
| Bayley, Hugh | Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'l) |
| Beckett, Margaret | Denham, John |
| Beggs, Roy | Dewar, Donald |
| Beith, Rt Hon A. J. | Dixon, Don |
| Bell, Stuart | Dobson, Frank |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Donohoe, Brian H. |
| Bennett, Andrew F. | Dowd, Jim |
| Benton, Joe | Dunnachie, Jimmy |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth |
| Berry, Dr. Roger | Eagle, Ms Angela |
| Betts, Clive | Eastham, Ken |
| Blair, Tony | Enright, Derek |
| Blunkett, David | Etherington, Bill |
| Boateng, Paul | Ewing, Mrs Margaret |
| Boyce, Jimmy | Fatchett, Derek |
| Boyes, Roland | Faulds, Andrew |
| Bradley, Keith | Fisher, Mark |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Flynn, Paul |
| Brown, N. (N'c'tle upon Tyne E) | Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S) |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Foster, Derek (B'p Auckland) |
| Burden, Richard | Foster, Donald (Bath) |
| Byers, Stephen | Foulkes, George |
| Caborn, Richard | Fraser, John |
| Callaghan, Jim | Fyfe, Maria |
| Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) | Galbraith, Sam |
| Campbell, Ronald (Blyth V) | Galloway, George |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Gapes, Mike |
| Canavan, Dennis | Garrett, John |
| Cann, Jamie | Gerrard, Neil |
| Carlile, Alexander (Montgomry) | Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John |
| Chisholm, Malcolm | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Clapham, Michael | Godsiff, Roger |
| Clark, Dr David (South Shields) | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) | Gordon, Mildred |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Graham, Thomas |
| Clelland, David | Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Coffey, Ann | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Cohen, Harry | Grocott, Bruce |
| Connarty, Michael | Gunnell, John |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Hain, Peter |
| Corbett, Robin | Hall, Mike |
| Hanson, David | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Hardy, Peter | Mowlam, Marjorie |
| Harman, Ms Harriet | Mudie, George |
| Harvey, Nick | Mullin, Chris |
| Henderson, Doug | Murphy, Paul |
| Heppell, John | Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon |
| Hill, Keith (Streatham) | O'Brien, Michael (N W'kshire) |
| Hinchliffe, David | O'Brien, William (Normanton) |
| Hoey, Kate | O'Hara, Edward |
| Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld) | Olner, William |
| Home Robertson, John | O'Neill, Martin |
| Hood, Jimmy | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Hoon, Geoffrey | Paisley, Rev Ian |
| Howarth, George (Knowsley N) | Patchett, Terry |
| Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) | Pendry, Tom |
| Hoyle, Doug | Pickthall, Colin |
| Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) | Pike, Peter L. |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Pope, Greg |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport E) | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lew'm E) |
| Hutton, John | Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) |
| Ingram, Adam | Prescott, John |
| Jackson, Glenda (H'stead) | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Jackson, Helen (Shefld, H) | Purchase, Ken |
| Jamieson, David | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Janner, Greville | Radice, Giles |
| Johnston, Sir Russell | Randall, Stuart |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side) | Raynsford, Nick |
| Jones, Ieuan Wyn (Ynys Môn) | Redmond, Martin |
| Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) | Reid, Dr John |
| Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O) | Robertson, George (Hamilton) |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW) | Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'try NW) |
| Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) | Robinson, Peter (Belfast E) |
| Jowell, Tessa | Roche, Ms Barbara |
| Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Rogers, Allan |
| Keen, Alan | Rooker, Jeff |
| Kennedy, Charles (Ross, C S) | Rooney, Terry |
| Kennedy, Jane (L'p'l Br'g'n) | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Khabra, Piara S. | Ross, William (E Londonderry) |
| Kilfoyle, Peter | Rowlands, Ted |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Ruddock, Joan |
| Leighton, Ron | Salmond, Alex |
| Lestor, Joan (Eccles) | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Lewis, Terry | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Livingstone, Ken | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) | Short, Clare |
| Loyden, Eddie | Simpson, Alan |
| Lynne, Ms Liz | Skinner, Dennis |
| McAllion, John | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| McCartney, Ian | Smith, C. (Isl'ton S & F'sbury) |
| Macdonald, Calum | Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) |
| McFall, John | Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S) |
| McKelvey, William | Snape, Peter |
| Mackinlay, Andrew | Soley, Clive |
| McLeish, Henry | Spearing, Nigel |
| McMaster, Gordon | Spellar, John |
| McNamara, Kevin | Squire, Rachel (Dunfermline W) |
| McWilliam, John | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Madden, Max | Stevenson, George |
| Maginnis, Ken | Stott, Roger |
| Mahon, Alice | Strang, Dr. Gavin |
| Mallon, Seamus | Straw, Jack |
| Marek, Dr John | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Taylor, Rt Hon John D. (Str'gf'd) |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester, S) | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) | Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) |
| Martlew, Eric | Tipping, Paddy |
| Maxton, John | Trimble, David |
| Meacher, Michael | Turner, Dennis |
| Michael, Alun | Tyler, Paul |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Vaz, Keith |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll Bute) | Walker, A. Cecil (Belfast N) |
| Milburn, Alan | Walker, Rt Hon Sir Harold |
| Miller, Andrew | Wai ley, Joan |
| Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby) | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Moonie, Dr Lewis | Wareing, Robert N |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Watson, Mike |
| Morley, Elliot | Welsh, Andrew |
| Morris, Rt Hon A. (Wy'nshawe) | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley) | Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W) |
| Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen) | Wright, Tony |
| Wilson, Brian | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Winnick, David | |
| Wise, Audrey | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Worthington, Tony | Mr. Eric Illsley and Mr. Thomas McAvoy. |
| Wray, Jimmy |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Bill read the Third time, and passed.