HC Deb 27 June 1990 vol 175 cc448-52

.—(1) The Secretary of State may, for up to five years from the date of any Order under this section, in relation to the functions covered by that Order and with the approval of the Treasury make grants out of money provided by Parliament towards any expenses incurred by local authorities in connection with the establishing of functions and activities arising under this Part, and in making any determination as to the adequacy or otherwise of resources under subsection (4) above the Secretary of State shall have regard to the desirability of making grants under this subsection.

(2) A grant made under subsection (5) above may be for capital or revenue expenditure."

Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment—[Mr. Kenneth Clarke.]

Question put:

The House divided: Ayes 310, Noes 219.

Division No. 271] [12.30 am
AYES
Adley, Robert Atkinson, David
Aitken, Jonathan Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley)
Alexander, Richard Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Baldry, Tony
Allason, Rupert Banks, Robert (Harrogate)
Amess, David Batiste, Spencer
Amos, Alan Bellingham, Henry
Arbuthnot, James Bendall, Vivian
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Arnold, Sir Thomas Benyon, W.
Ashby, David Bevan, David Gilroy
Atkins, Robert Biffen, Rt Hon John
Blackburn, Dr John G. Goodlad, Alastair
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Body, Sir Richard Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Gorst, John
Boscawen, Hon Robert Gow, Ian
Boswell, Tim Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)
Bottomley, Peter Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) Gregory, Conal
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E')
Bowis, John Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes Grist, Ian
Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard Ground, Patrick
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Grylls, Michael
Brazier, Julian Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
Bright, Graham Hague, William
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom)
Brown, Michael (Brigg & CI't's) Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Hampson, Dr Keith
Buck, Sir Antony Hanley, Jeremy
Burns, Simon Hannam, John
Burt, Alistair Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Butler, Chris Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Butterfill, John Harris, David
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) Haselhurst, Alan
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hayes, Jerry
Carrington, Matthew Hayward, Robert
Carttiss, Michael Heathcoat-Amory, David
Cash, William Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Hill, James
Chapman, Sydney Hind, Kenneth
Chope, Christopher Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Hordern, Sir Peter
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) Howard, Rt Hon Michael
Colvin, Michael Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)
Conway, Derek Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Cope, Rt Hon John Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Couchman, James Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Cran, James Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Critchley, Julian Hunter, Andrew
Currie, Mrs Edwina Irvine, Michael
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) Jack, Michael
Davis, David (Boothferry) Jackson, Robert
Day, Stephen Janman, Tim
Devlin, Tim Jessel, Toby
Dickens, Geoffrey Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Dicks, Terry Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Dorrell, Stephen Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Dover, Den Key, Robert
Dunn, Bob King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Durant, Tony King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater)
Emery, Sir Peter Kirkhope, Timothy
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) Knapman, Roger
Evennett, David Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas Knowles, Michael
Fallon, Michael Knox, David
Farr, Sir John Lang, Ian
Favell, Tony Latham, Michael
Fenner, Dame Peggy Lee, John (Pendle)
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Leigh, Edward (Galnsbor'gh)
Fishburn, John Dudley Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Forman, Nigel Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Lilley, Peter
Forth, Eric Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)
Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Fox, Sir Marcus Lord, Michael
Franks, Cecil Luce, Rt Hon Richard
Freeman, Roger Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
French, Douglas Macfarlane, Sir Neil
Fry, Peter MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Gale, Roger MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Gardiner, George Maclean, David
Garel-Jones, Tristan McLoughlin, Patrick
Gill, Christopher McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael
Glyn, Dr Sir Alan McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Goodhart, Sir Philip Madel, David
Malins, Humfrey Shelton, Sir William
Mans, Keith Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Maples, John Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Marland, Paul Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
Marlow, Tony Shersby, Michael
Marshall, John (Hendon S) Sims, Roger
Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) Skeet, Sir Trevor
Martin, David (Portsmouth S) Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Maude, Hon Francis Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Soames, Hon Nicholas
Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick Speller, Tony
Mellor, David Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)
Meyer, Sir Anthony Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Miller, Sir Hal Squire, Robin
Mills, Iain Stanbrook, Ivor
Miscampbell, Norman Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) Steen, Anthony
Mitchell, Sir David Stern, Michael
Moate, Roger Stevens, Lewis
Monro, Sir Hector Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Montgomery, Sir Fergus Stewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Morrison, Sir Charles Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N)
Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) Stradling Thomas, Sir John
Moss, Malcolm Sumberg, David
Moynihan, Hon Colin Summerson, Hugo
Neale, Gerrard Tapsell, Sir Peter
Needham, Richard Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Nelson, Anthony Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Neubert, Michael Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Newton, Rt Hon Tony Temple-Morris, Peter
Nicholls, Patrick Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Nicholson, David (Taunton) Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) Thornton, Malcolm
Norris, Steve Thurnham, Peter
Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Oppenheim, Phillip Tracey, Richard
Page, Richard Tredinnick, David
Paice, James Trippier, David
Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil Trotter, Neville
Patnick, Irvine Twinn, Dr Ian
Patten, Rt Hon John Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Viggers, Peter
Pawsey, James Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth Waldegrave, Rt Hon William
Porter, Barry (Wirral S) Walden, George
Porter, David (Waveney) Walker, Bill (T'side North)
Portillo, Michael Waller, Gary
Price, Sir David Ward, John
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Rathbone, Tim Warren, Kenneth
Redwood, John Wells, Bowen
Renton, Rt Hon Tim Wheeler, Sir John
Riddick, Graham Whitney, Ray
Ridsdale, Sir Julian Widdecombe, Ann
Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm Wiggin, Jerry
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) Wilshire, David
Roe, Mrs Marion Winterton, Mrs Ann
Rumbold, Mrs Angela Wolfson, Mark
Ryder, Richard Woodcock, Dr. Mike
Sackville, Hon Tom Yeo, Tim
Sainsbury, Hon Tim Young, Sir George (Acton)
Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas
Shaw, David (Dover) Tellers for the Ayes:
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) Mr. David Lightbown and
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') Mr. Timothy Wood.
NOES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Beckett, Margaret
Allen, Graham Bell, Stuart
Alton, David Benn, Rt Hon Tony
Anderson, Donald Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish)
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Bermingham, Gerald
Armstrong, Hilary Bidwell, Sydney
Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy Blair, Tony
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Blunkett, David
Ashton, Joe Boateng, Paul
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Boyes, Roland
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Bradley, Keith
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Brown, Gordon (D'mline E)
Barron, Kevin Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E)
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) Ingram, Adam
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Janner, Greville
Buckley, George J. Johnston, Sir Russell
Caborn, Richard Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Callaghan, Jim Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Môn)
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)
Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Kennedy, Charles
Canavan, Dennis Kilfedder, James
Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) Kirkwood, Archy
Carr, Michael Lambie, David
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Lamond, James
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Leadbitter, Ted
Clelland, David Leighton, Ron
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Lewis, Terry
Cohen, Harry Litherland, Robert
Coleman, Donald Livingstone, Ken
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Livsey, Richard
Cook, Robin (Livingston) Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Corbett, Robin Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Corbyn, Jeremy Loyden, Eddie
Cox, Tom McAllion, John
Crowther, Stan McAvoy, Thomas
Cryer, Bob McCartney, Ian
Cummings, John Macdonald, Calum A.
Cunliffe, Lawrence McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Cunningham, Dr John McKelvey, William
Dalyell, Tam McLeish, Henry
Darling, Alistair McNamara, Kevin
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) Madden, Max
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) Mahon, Mrs Alice
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'I) Marek, Dr John
Dewar, Donald Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Dixon, Don Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Dobson, Frank Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Doran, Frank Martlew, Eric
Duffy, A. E. P. Maxton, John
Dunnachie, Jimmy Meacher, Michael
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth Meale, Alan
Eastham, Ken Michael, Alun
Evans, John (St Helens N) Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Fatchett, Derek Moonie, Dr Lewis
Fearn, Ronald Morgan, Rhodri
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Morley, Elliot
Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Fisher, Mark Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Flannery, Martin Mowlam, Marjorie
Flynn, Paul Mullin, Chris
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Murphy, Paul
Foster, Derek Nellist, Dave
Foulkes, George O'Brien, William
Fraser, John O'Neill, Martin
Fyfe, Maria Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Galloway, George Parry, Robert
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Patchett, Terry
Godman, Dr Norman A. Pendry, Tom
Gould, Bryan Pike, Peter L.
Graham, Thomas Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) Prescott, John
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) Primarolo, Dawn
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Quin, Ms Joyce
Grocott, Bruce Randall, Stuart
Hardy, Peter Redmond, Martin
Harman, Ms Harriet Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Reid, Dr John
Heal, Mrs Sylvia Richardson, Jo
Hinchliffe, David Robertson, George
Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) Robinson, Geoffrey
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) Rogers, Allan
Hood, Jimmy Rooker, Jeff
Howells, Geraint Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) Ross, William (Londonderry E)
Hoyle, Doug Rowlands, Ted
Hughes, John (Coventry NE) Ruddock, Joan
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Salmond, Alex
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Sheerman, Barry
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Illsley, Eric Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Short, Clare Walley, Joan
Skinner, Dennis Wareing, Robert N.
Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C)
Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E) Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Soley, Clive Wigley, Dafydd
Spearing, Nigel Williams, Rt Hon Alan
Steel, Rt Hon Sir David Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Steinberg, Gerry Wilson, Brian
Stott, Roger Winnick, David
Strang, Gavin Wise, Mrs Audrey
Straw, Jack Worthington, Tony
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) Wray, Jimmy
Taylor, Matthew (Truro) Young, David (Bolton SE)
Thomas, Dr Dafydd Elis
Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) Tellers for the Noes:
Turner, Dennis Mr. Frank Haynes and
Vaz, Keith Mrs. Llin Golding.
Wallace, James

Question accordingly agreed to.

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