§ .—(1) The Secretary of State may, for up to five years from the date of any Order under this section, in relation to the functions covered by that Order and with the approval of the Treasury make grants out of money provided by Parliament towards any expenses incurred by local authorities in connection with the establishing of functions and activities arising under this Part, and in making any determination as to the adequacy or otherwise of resources under subsection (4) above the Secretary of State shall have regard to the desirability of making grants under this subsection.
§ (2) A grant made under subsection (5) above may be for capital or revenue expenditure."
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment—[Mr. Kenneth Clarke.]
§ Question put:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 310, Noes 219.
452| Division No. 271] | [12.30 am |
| AYES | |
| Adley, Robert | Atkinson, David |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) |
| Alexander, Richard | Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Baldry, Tony |
| Allason, Rupert | Banks, Robert (Harrogate) |
| Amess, David | Batiste, Spencer |
| Amos, Alan | Bellingham, Henry |
| Arbuthnot, James | Bendall, Vivian |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) |
| Arnold, Sir Thomas | Benyon, W. |
| Ashby, David | Bevan, David Gilroy |
| Atkins, Robert | Biffen, Rt Hon John |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Body, Sir Richard | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Gorst, John |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Gow, Ian |
| Boswell, Tim | Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) |
| Bottomley, Peter | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Greenway, John (Ryedale) |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Gregory, Conal |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') |
| Bowis, John | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Grist, Ian |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Ground, Patrick |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Grylls, Michael |
| Brazier, Julian | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Bright, Graham | Hague, William |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & CI't's) | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Burns, Simon | Hannam, John |
| Burt, Alistair | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Butler, Chris | Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) |
| Butterfill, John | Harris, David |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Haselhurst, Alan |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hayes, Jerry |
| Carrington, Matthew | Hayward, Robert |
| Carttiss, Michael | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Cash, William | Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) |
| Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda | Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Hill, James |
| Chapman, Sydney | Hind, Kenneth |
| Chope, Christopher | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Hordern, Sir Peter |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Howard, Rt Hon Michael |
| Colvin, Michael | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Conway, Derek | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) |
| Cope, Rt Hon John | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Couchman, James | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Cran, James | Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) |
| Critchley, Julian | Hunter, Andrew |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Irvine, Michael |
| Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) | Jack, Michael |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Jackson, Robert |
| Day, Stephen | Janman, Tim |
| Devlin, Tim | Jessel, Toby |
| Dickens, Geoffrey | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Dicks, Terry | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Dover, Den | Key, Robert |
| Dunn, Bob | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Durant, Tony | King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) | Knapman, Roger |
| Evennett, David | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas | Knowles, Michael |
| Fallon, Michael | Knox, David |
| Farr, Sir John | Lang, Ian |
| Favell, Tony | Latham, Michael |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Leigh, Edward (Galnsbor'gh) |
| Fishburn, John Dudley | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Forman, Nigel | Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | Lilley, Peter |
| Forth, Eric | Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant) |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Fox, Sir Marcus | Lord, Michael |
| Franks, Cecil | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Freeman, Roger | Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas |
| French, Douglas | Macfarlane, Sir Neil |
| Fry, Peter | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Gale, Roger | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Gardiner, George | Maclean, David |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Gill, Christopher | McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael |
| Glyn, Dr Sir Alan | McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick |
| Goodhart, Sir Philip | Madel, David |
| Malins, Humfrey | Shelton, Sir William |
| Mans, Keith | Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) |
| Maples, John | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Marland, Paul | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| Marlow, Tony | Shersby, Michael |
| Marshall, John (Hendon S) | Sims, Roger |
| Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick | Speller, Tony |
| Mellor, David | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Miller, Sir Hal | Squire, Robin |
| Mills, Iain | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Steen, Anthony |
| Mitchell, Sir David | Stern, Michael |
| Moate, Roger | Stevens, Lewis |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Morrison, Sir Charles | Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N) |
| Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Moss, Malcolm | Sumberg, David |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin | Summerson, Hugo |
| Neale, Gerrard | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Needham, Richard | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Nelson, Anthony | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Neubert, Michael | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Newton, Rt Hon Tony | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Norris, Steve | Thurnham, Peter |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Tracey, Richard |
| Page, Richard | Tredinnick, David |
| Paice, James | Trippier, David |
| Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil | Trotter, Neville |
| Patnick, Irvine | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Patten, Rt Hon John | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Viggers, Peter |
| Pawsey, James | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Waldegrave, Rt Hon William |
| Porter, Barry (Wirral S) | Walden, George |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Portillo, Michael | Waller, Gary |
| Price, Sir David | Ward, John |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Rathbone, Tim | Warren, Kenneth |
| Redwood, John | Wells, Bowen |
| Renton, Rt Hon Tim | Wheeler, Sir John |
| Riddick, Graham | Whitney, Ray |
| Ridsdale, Sir Julian | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Wilshire, David |
| Roe, Mrs Marion | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Rumbold, Mrs Angela | Wolfson, Mark |
| Ryder, Richard | Woodcock, Dr. Mike |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Yeo, Tim |
| Sainsbury, Hon Tim | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas | |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) | Mr. David Lightbown and |
| Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') | Mr. Timothy Wood. |
| NOES | |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Beckett, Margaret |
| Allen, Graham | Bell, Stuart |
| Alton, David | Benn, Rt Hon Tony |
| Anderson, Donald | Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Bermingham, Gerald |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Bidwell, Sydney |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Blair, Tony |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Blunkett, David |
| Ashton, Joe | Boateng, Paul |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Boyes, Roland |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Bradley, Keith |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Brown, Gordon (D'mline E) |
| Barron, Kevin | Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Ingram, Adam |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Janner, Greville |
| Buckley, George J. | Johnston, Sir Russell |
| Caborn, Richard | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Callaghan, Jim | Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Môn) |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Kennedy, Charles |
| Canavan, Dennis | Kilfedder, James |
| Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) | Kirkwood, Archy |
| Carr, Michael | Lambie, David |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Lamond, James |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Clelland, David | Leighton, Ron |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Lewis, Terry |
| Cohen, Harry | Litherland, Robert |
| Coleman, Donald | Livingstone, Ken |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Livsey, Richard |
| Cook, Robin (Livingston) | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
| Corbett, Robin | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Loyden, Eddie |
| Cox, Tom | McAllion, John |
| Crowther, Stan | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Cryer, Bob | McCartney, Ian |
| Cummings, John | Macdonald, Calum A. |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Cunningham, Dr John | McKelvey, William |
| Dalyell, Tam | McLeish, Henry |
| Darling, Alistair | McNamara, Kevin |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Madden, Max |
| Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'I) | Marek, Dr John |
| Dewar, Donald | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
| Dixon, Don | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Dobson, Frank | Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) |
| Doran, Frank | Martlew, Eric |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Maxton, John |
| Dunnachie, Jimmy | Meacher, Michael |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth | Meale, Alan |
| Eastham, Ken | Michael, Alun |
| Evans, John (St Helens N) | Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) |
| Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) | Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) |
| Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) | Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) |
| Fatchett, Derek | Moonie, Dr Lewis |
| Fearn, Ronald | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | Morley, Elliot |
| Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
| Fisher, Mark | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Flannery, Martin | Mowlam, Marjorie |
| Flynn, Paul | Mullin, Chris |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Murphy, Paul |
| Foster, Derek | Nellist, Dave |
| Foulkes, George | O'Brien, William |
| Fraser, John | O'Neill, Martin |
| Fyfe, Maria | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Galloway, George | Parry, Robert |
| Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John | Patchett, Terry |
| Godman, Dr Norman A. | Pendry, Tom |
| Gould, Bryan | Pike, Peter L. |
| Graham, Thomas | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) | Prescott, John |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Grocott, Bruce | Randall, Stuart |
| Hardy, Peter | Redmond, Martin |
| Harman, Ms Harriet | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Reid, Dr John |
| Heal, Mrs Sylvia | Richardson, Jo |
| Hinchliffe, David | Robertson, George |
| Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) | Robinson, Geoffrey |
| Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) | Rogers, Allan |
| Hood, Jimmy | Rooker, Jeff |
| Howells, Geraint | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) | Ross, William (Londonderry E) |
| Hoyle, Doug | Rowlands, Ted |
| Hughes, John (Coventry NE) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Salmond, Alex |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport E) | Sheerman, Barry |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Illsley, Eric | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Short, Clare | Walley, Joan |
| Skinner, Dennis | Wareing, Robert N. |
| Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) | Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C) |
| Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) | Welsh, Andrew (Angus E) |
| Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E) | Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) |
| Soley, Clive | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Spearing, Nigel | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Steel, Rt Hon Sir David | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| Steinberg, Gerry | Wilson, Brian |
| Stott, Roger | Winnick, David |
| Strang, Gavin | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Straw, Jack | Worthington, Tony |
| Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) | Wray, Jimmy |
| Taylor, Matthew (Truro) | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Thomas, Dr Dafydd Elis | |
| Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Turner, Dennis | Mr. Frank Haynes and |
| Vaz, Keith | Mrs. Llin Golding. |
| Wallace, James |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.