HC Deb 08 November 1989 vol 159 cc1083-92

Lords amendment: No. 582, in page 222, line 55, column 3, at beginning insert—

"Section 69.".

Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. Howard.]

Question put forthwith:—

The House divided: Ayes 191, Noes 105.

Divislon No 379] [9.47 pm
AYES
Adley, Robert Hague, William
Alexander, Richard Hannam, John
Amess, David Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Amos, Alan Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Arbuthnot, James Harris, David
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Hawkins, Christopher
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney
Ashby, David Hayward, Robert
Aspinwall, Jack Heathcoat-Amory, David
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Batiste, Spencer Hill, James
Bevan, David Gilroy Hind, Kenneth
Blackburn, Dr John G. Hordern, Sir Peter
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Boscawen, Hon Robert Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Brazier, Julian Hunter, Andrew
Bright, Graham Irvine, Michael
Browne, John (Winchester) Jack, Michael
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Jackson, Robert
Budgen, Nicholas Janman, Tim
Burns, Simon Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Butcher, John Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Butler, Chris Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Butterfill, John Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Key, Robert
Carrington, Matthew King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Carttiss, Michael Knapman, Roger
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Chapman, Sydney Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Chope, Christopher Lang, Ian
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Lawrence, Ivan
Colvin, Michael Lee, John (Pendle)
Conway, Derek Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Lightbown, David
Cran, James Lilley, Peter
Davis, David (Boothferry) Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Day, Stephen Lord, Michael
Devlin, Tim MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Dorrell, Stephen McLoughlin, Patrick
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Dover, Den Malins, Humfrey
Dunn, Bob Mans, Keith
Durant, Tony Marlow, Tony
Dykes, Hugh Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Eggar, Tim Maude, Hon Francis
Emery, Sir Peter Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Evennett, David Miller, Sir Hal
Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas Mills, Iain
Favell, Tony Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Fenner, Dame Peggy Mitchell, Sir David
Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey Monro, Sir Hector
Fookes, Dame Janet Morrison, Sir Charles
Forman, Nigel Moss, Malcolm
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Moynihan, Hon Colin
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman Neale, Gerrard
Fox, Sir Marcus Nelson, Anthony
Franks, Cecil Neubert, Michael
Freeman, Roger Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Gale, Roger Nicholls, Patrick
Garel-Jones, Tristan Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Gill, Christopher Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Glyn, Dr Alan Oppenheim, Phillip
Goodlad, Alastair Paice, James
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Patnick, Irvine
Gow, Ian Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Patten, John (Oxford W)
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Pawsey, James
Gregory, Conal Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) Porter, David (Waveney)
Grist, Ian Powell, William (Corby)
Ground, Patrick Price, Sir David
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Trotter, Neville
Redwood, John Twinn, Dr Ian
Renton, Tim Viggers, Peter
Rhodes James, Robert Walker, Bill (T'side North)
Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm Waller, Gary
Sackville, Hon Tom Ward, John
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Shersby, Michael Warren, Kenneth
Stevens, Lewis Watts, John
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Wheeler, John
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Whitney, Ray
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) Widdecombe, Ann
Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman Wilkinson, John
Temple-Morris, Peter Winterton, Mrs Ann
Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) Winterton, Nicholas
Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) Wood, Timothy
Thornton, Malcolm
Thurnham, Peter Tellers for the Ayes:
Townend, John (Bridlington) Mr. Michael Fallon and Mr. John M. Taylor.
Tracey, Richard
Trippier, David
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane Jones, leuan (Ynys Môn)
Alton, David Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)
Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy Kirkwood, Archy
Ashton, Joe Lamond, James
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Livsey, Richard
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Loyden, Eddie
Barron, Kevin McGrady, Eddie
Beith, A. J. McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) McLeish, Henry
Bermingham, Gerald McNamara, Kevin
Blair, Tony McWilliam, John
Boateng, Paul Madden, Max
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Mahon, Mrs Alice
Buckley, George J. Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Maxton, John
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Meale, Alan
Canavan, Dennis Michael, Alun
Carlile, Alex (Monfg) Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Cohen, Harry Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Murphy, Paul
Cryer, Bob Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Cunliffe, Lawrence Patchett, Terry
Dalyell, Tam Pike, Peter L.
Darling, Alistair Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) Quin, Ms Joyce
Dewar, Donald Randall, Stuart
Dixon, Don Redmond, Martin
Duffy, A. E. P. Richardson, Jo
Dunnachie, Jimmy Rowlands, Ted
Eadie, Alexander Ruddock, Joan
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) Short, Clare
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) Skinner, Dennis
Fearn, Ronald Spearing, Nigel
Flannery, Martin Straw, Jack
Flynn, Paul Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Foster, Derek Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Fyfe, Maria Vaz, Keith
George, Bruce Wall, Pat
Godman, Dr Norman A. Wallace, James
Golding, Mrs Llin Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Gordon, Mildred Wareing, Robert N.
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C)
Haynes, Frank Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Heffer, Eric S. Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Henderson, Doug Wigley, Dafydd
Hinchliffe, David Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Home Robertson, John Winnick, David
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Wise, Mrs Audrey
Illsley, Eric
Janner, Greville Tellers for the Noes:
Johnston, Sir Russell Mr. John Cummings and Mr. Ronnie Campbell.
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)

MR. SPEAKER then proceeded, pursuant to the Order this day, to put forthwith, with respect to the amendments designated by him which had not been disposed of the Question, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said amendments.

The House divided: Ayes 184, Noes 98.

Division No. 380] [10 pm
AYES
Adley, Robert Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Alexander, Richard Gregory, Conal
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Amess, David Grist, Ian
Amos, Alan Ground, Patrick
Arbuthnot, James Hague, William
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Hannam,John
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Ashby, David Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Aspinwall, Jack Harris, David
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Hawkins, Christopher
Batiste, Spencer Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney
Bevan, David Gilroy Hayward, Robert
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Heathcoat-Amory, David
Boscawen, Hon Robert Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Hill, James
Brazier, Julian Hind, Kenneth
Bright, Graham Holt, Richard
Browne, John (Winchester) Hordern, Sir Peter
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Burns, Simon Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Butcher, John Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Butler, Chris Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Butterfill, John Hunter, Andrew
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) Irvine, Michael
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Jack, Michael
Carrington, Matthew Jackson, Robert
Carttiss, Michael Janman, Tim
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Chope, Christopher Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Colvin, Michael Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Conway, Derek Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Key, Robert
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Cran, James Knapman, Roger
Davis, David (Boothferry) Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Day, Stephen Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Devlin, Tim Lawrence, Ivan
Dorrell, Stephen Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Dover, Den Lightbown, David
Dunn, Bob Lilley, Peter
Durant, Tony Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Dykes, Hugh Lord, Michael
Eggar, Tim MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Emery, Sir Peter McLoughlin, Patrick
Evennett, David McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas Malins, Humfrey
Fallon, Michael Mans, Keith
Favell, Tony Marlow, Tony
Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Fookes, Dame Janet Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Forman, Nigel Maude, Hon Francis
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman Miller, Sir Hal
Fox, Sir Marcus Mills, Iain
Franks, Cecil Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Freeman, Roger Mitchell, Sir David
Gale, Roger Monro, Sir Hector
Garel-Jones, Tristan Morrison, Sir Charles
Gill, Christopher Moss, Malcolm
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir lan Moynihan, Hon Colin
Glyn, Dr Alan Neale, Gerrard
Goodlad, Alastair Neubert, Michael
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Gow, lan Nicholls, Patrick
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) Thornton, Malcolm
Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley Thurnham, Peter
Oppenheim, Phillip Townend, John (Bridlington)
Paice, James Tracey, Richard
Patnick, Irvine Trippier, David
Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath) Trotter, Neville
Patten, John (Oxford W) Twinn, Dr lan
Pawsey, James Viggers, Peter
Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth Walker, Bill (T'side North)
Porter, David (Waveney) Waller, Gary
Powell, William (Corby) Ward, John
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Redwood, John Warren, Kenneth
Renton, Tim Watts, John
Rhodes James, Robert Wheeler, John
Sackville, Hon Tom Whitney, Ray
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Widdecombe, Ann
Stevens, Lewis Wilkinson, John
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Winterton, Mrs Ann
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Winterton, Nicholas
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) Wood, Timothy
Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Temple-Morris, Peter Tellers for the Ayes:
Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) Mr. John M. Taylor and Mr. Sydney Chapman.
Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Alton, David Jones, leuan (Ynys Môn)
Ashton, Joe Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Kirkwood, Archy
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Lamond, James
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Livsey, Richard
Beith, A. J. Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) Loyden, Eddie
Bermingham, Gerald McGrady, Eddie
Blair, Tony McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Boateng, Paul McLeish, Henry
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) McNamara, Kevin
Buckley, George J. McWilliam, John
Caborn, Richard Mahon, Mrs Alice
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Canavan, Dennis Maxton, John
Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) Meale, Alan
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Michael, Alun
Cohen, Harry Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Corbyn, Jeremy Moonie, Dr Lewis
Cryer, Bob Murphy, Paul
Cunliffe, Lawrence Patchett, Terry
Dalyell, Tam Pike, Peter L.
Darling, Alistair Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) Quin, Ms Joyce
Dewar, Donald Redmond, Martin
Dixon, Don Richardson, Jo
Duffy, A. E. P. Rowlands, Ted
Dunnachie, Jimmy Ruddock, Joan
Eadie, Alexander Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) Skinner, Dennis
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) Spearing, Nigel
Fatchett, Derek Straw, Jack
Fearn, Ronald Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Flannery, Martin Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Flynn, Paul Wall, Pat
Foster, Derek Wallace, James
Fyfe, Maria Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Godman, Dr Norman A. Wareing, Robert N.
Golding, Mrs Llin Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C)
Gordon, Mildred Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Haynes, Frank Wigley, Dafydd
Heffer, Eric S. Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Hinchliffe, David Winnick, David
Home Robertson, John Wise, Mrs Audrey
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Illsley, Eric Tellers for the Noes:
Janner, Greville Mr. John Cummings and Mr. Ronnie Campbell.
Johnston, Sir Russell

Queston accordingly agreed to.

MR. SPEAKER then proceeded, pursuant to the Order this day, to put forthwith the Question, That this House doth agree with the Lords in all the remaining Lords amendments.

The House divided: Ayes 176, Noes 86.

Division No. 381] [10.12 pm
AYES
Adley, Robert Ground, Patrick
Alexander, Richard Hague, William
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Hannam, John
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Amos, Alan Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Arbuthnot, James Harris, David
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Hawkins, Christopher
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney
Ashby, David Hayward, Robert
Aspinwall, Jack Heathcoat-Amory, David
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Hill, James
Batiste, Spencer Hind, Kenneth
Bevan, David Gilroy Hordern, Sir Peter
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Boscawen, Hon Robert Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Brazier, Julian Hunter, Andrew
Bright, Graham Irvine, Michael
Browne, John (Winchester) Jack, Michael
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Jackson, Robert
Buck, Sir Antony Janman, Tim
Burns, Simon Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Butcher, John Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Butler, Chris Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Carrington, Matthew Key, Robert
Carttiss, Michael King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Chapman, Sydney Knapman, Roger
Chope, Christopher Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Colvin, Michael Lawrence, Ivan
Conway, Derek Lee, John (Pendle)
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Lightbown, David
Cran, James Lilley, Peter
Davis, David (Boothferry) Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Day, Stephen Lord, Michael
Devlin, Tim MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Dorrell, Stephen McLoughlin, Patrick
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Dover, Den Malins, Humfrey
Dunn, Bob Mans, Keith
Durant, Tony Marlow, Tony
Eggar, Tim Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Emery, Sir Peter Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Evennett, David Maude, Hon Francis
Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Favell, Tony Miller, Sir Hal
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Mills, Iain
Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Forman, Nigel Mitchell, Sir David
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Monro, Sir Hector
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman Morrison, Sir Charles
Fox, Sir Marcus Moss, Malcolm
Franks, Cecil Moynihan, Hon Colin
Freeman, Roger Neale, Gerrard
Gale, Roger Neubert, Michael
Garel-Jones, Tristan Nicholls, Patrick
Gill, Christopher Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Glyn, Dr Alan Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Goodlad, Alastair Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Oppenheim, Phillip
Gow, Ian Paice, James
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Patnick, Irvine
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath)
Gregory, Conal Patten, John (Oxford W)
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) Pawsey, James
Grist, Ian Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Porter, David (Waveney) Trotter, Neville
Powell, William (Corby) Twinn, Dr Ian
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Viggers, Peter
Redwood, John Walker, Bill (T'side North)
Renton, Tim Waller, Gary
Rhodes James, Robert Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Sackville, Hon Tom Warren, Kenneth
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Watts, John
Stevens, Lewis Wheeler, John
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Whitney, Ray
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Widdecombe, Ann
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) Wilkinson, John
Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman Winterton, Mrs Ann
Temple-Morris, Peter Winterton, Nicholas
Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) Wood, Timothy
Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Thornton, Malcolm Tellers for the Ayes:
Thurnham, Peter Mr. Michael Fallon and Mr. John M. Taylor.
Townend, John (Bridlington)
NOES
Alton, David Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Loyden, Eddie
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) McGrady, Eddie
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Beith, A. J. McLeish, Henry
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) McNamara, Kevin
Blair, Tony McWilliam, John
Boateng, Paul Mahon, Mrs Alice
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Martin, Michael J. (Springburr
Caborn, Richard Maxton, John
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Meale, Alan
Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) Michael, Alun
Canavan, Dennis Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Carlile, Alex (Monfg) Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Cohen, Harry Moonie, Dr Lewis
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Morgan, Rhodri
Corbyn, Jeremy Murphy, Paul
Cryer, Bob Patchett, Terry
Cummings, John Pike, Peter L.
Cunliffe, Lawrence Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Dalyell, Tam Quin, Ms Joyce
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) Redmond, Martin
Dewar, Donald Richardson, Jo
Dixon, Don Rowlands, Ted
Duffy, A. E. P. Ruddock, Joan
Dunnachie, Jimmy Skinner, Dennis
Eadie, Alexander Spearing, Nigel
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) Straw, Jack
Fearn, Ronald Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Flannery, Martin Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Flynn, Paul Wallace, James
Foster, Derek Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Fyte, Maria Wareing, Robert N.
Golding, Mrs Llin Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C)
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Haynes, Frank Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Heffer, Eric S. Wigley, Dafydd
Hinchliffe, David Winnick, David
Home Robertson, John Wise, Mrs Audrey
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) Tellers for the Noes:
Jones, leuan (Ynys M6n) Mr. Eric Illsley and Mr. George J. Buckley.
Kirkwood, Archy
Livsey, Richard

Question accordingly agreed to.

MR. SPEAKER then proceeded, pursuant to the Order this day, to put forthwith the Question,

That a Committee be appointed to draw up reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments Nos. 272, 269 and 582; that Mr. Sidney Chapman, Mr. Christopher Chope, Mr. David Heathcoat-Amory, Mr. Paul Murphy and Mr. Clive Soley be members of the Committee; that three be the quorum of the Committee; that the committee do withdraw immediately.—[Mr. Lightbown.]

The House proceeded to a Division——

Mr. A. J. Beith (Berwick-Upon-Tweed)

(seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Can you confirm that now the House has gone through the procedure of voting for huge blocks of amendments without separate debate or even separate vote it is now required to vote on the composition of a committee while the guillotine precludes any amendment to the composition of that committee? Presumably this is the only occasion when the House appoints a committee the membership of which cannot be varied by the House?

Mr. Speaker

That is the case, but, of course, the House can vote against that committee, as is happening.

The House having divided: Ayes 164, Noes 24.

Division No. 382] [10.24 pm
AYES
Alexander, Richard Gill, Christopher
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Glyn, Dr Alan
Amess, David Goodlad, Alastair
Amos, Alan Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Arbuthnot, James Gow, lan
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Ashby, David Gregory, Conal
Aspinwall, Jack Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) Grist, Ian
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Hague, William
Batiste, Spencer Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Bevan, David Gilroy Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Harris, David
Boscawen, Hon Robert Hawkins, Christopher
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Hayward, Robert
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Heathcoat-Amory, David
Brazier, Julian Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Bright, Graham Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Browne, John (Winchester) Hill, James
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Hind, Kenneth
Buck, Sir Antony Hordern, Sir Peter
Burns, Simon Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Butcher, John Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Butler, Chris Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Carrington, Matthew Hunter, Andrew
Carttiss, Michael Irvine, Michael
Chapman, Sydney Jack, Michael
Chope, Christopher Jackson, Robert
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Janman, Tim
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Colvin, Michael Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Conway, Derek Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Key, Robert
Cran, James King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Davis, David (Boothferry) Knapman, Roger
Day, Stephen Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Devlin, Tim Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Dorrell, Stephen Lawrence, Ivan
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Dover, Den Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Dunn, Bob Lightbown, David
Eggar, Tim Lilley, Peter
Evennett, David Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas Lord, Michael
Fallon, Michael McLoughlin, Patrick
Favell, Tony McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Malins, Humfrey
Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey Mans, Keith
Flynn, Paul Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Forman, Nigel Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Maude, Hon Francis
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Fox, Sir Marcus Miller, Sir Hal
Franks, Cecil Mills, Iain
Freeman, Roger Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Gale, Roger Mitchell, Sir David
Garel-Jones, Tristan Monro, Sir Hector
Moss, Malcolm Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Moynihan, Hon Colin Temple-Morris, Peter
Neubert, Michael Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Nicholls, Patrick Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Nicholson, David (Taunton) Thornton, Malcolm
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) Thurnham, Peter
Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley Townend, John (Bridlington)
Oppenheim, Phillip Trotter, Neville
Paice, James Twinn, Dr Ian
Patnick, Irvine Viggers, Peter
Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath) Waller, Gary
Pawsey, James Wardle, Charies (Bexhill)
Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth Warren, Kenneth
Porter, David (Waveney) Watts, John
Redwood, John Wheeler, John
Renton, Tim Whitney, Ray
Rhodes James, Robert Widdecombe, Ann
Riddick, Graham Wilkinson, John
Sackville, Hon Tom Winterton, Mrs Ann
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Wood, Timothy
Stevens, Lewis
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Tellers for the Ayes:
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Mr. Tony Durant and Mr. John M. Taylor.
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
NOES
Alton, David McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Skinner, Dennis
Canavan, Dennis Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) Wallace, James
Cohen, Harry Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Corbyn, Jeremy Wigley, Dafydd
Cryer, Bob Winnick, David
Fearn, Ronald Wise, Mrs Audrey
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) Tellers for the Noes:
Jones, leuan (Ynys Môn) Mr. Archy Kirkwood and Mr. Alan Beith.
Livsey, Richard

Question accordingly agreed to.

Reasons for disagreeing to certain of the Lords amendments reported, and agreed to; to be communicated to the Lords.