§
Lords amendment: No. 119, in page 81, line 44, leave out from beginning to end of line 9 on page 82 and insert—
(a) any amounts which fall to be or were credited or debited to the authority's Housing Revenue Account for that year or any previous year;
(b) any amounts which, on such assumptions as the Secretary of State may determine (whether or not borne out or likely to be borne out by events), would fall to be or would have been so credited or debited; and
(c) such other matters relating to the authority, or to (or to tenants of) houses and other property which are or have been within the account, as he thinks fit;
and the Secretary of State may make any determination falling to be made for the purposes of a formula on the basis of information received by him on or before such date as he thinks fit.
§ (4) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (3) above, a formula may require it to be assumed that the amount for any year of the rental income or housing expenditure of each authority (or each authority in England or in Wales) is to be determined—
- (a) by taking the amount which the Secretary of State considers (having regard, amongst other things, to past and expected movements in incomes, costs and prices) should be or should have been the aggregate amount for that year of the rental incomes or, as the case may be, the housing expenditure of all of the authorities (or all of the authorities in England or Wales) taken together; and
- (b) by apportioning that amount between them in such manner as the Secretary of State considers appropriate (which may involve, if he thinks fit. inferring the aggregate values of the houses and other property within their respective Housing Revenue Accounts from the average values of any of the houses and other property which they have disposed of);
§ Read a Second time.
§
Amendment proposed to the Lords amendment (b), in line 13, leave out 'and' and insert
'but, in determining any formula under this section for the year beginning 1st April 1990, the Secretary of State shall riot assume an increase in the average rent payable by tenants of a local housing authority which is greater than the highest local contribution differential for the purposes of section 425 of the Housing Act 1985 for that authority for any year after that ending 31st March 1986 and subject to this requirement'.
§ Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 201, Noes 289.
931| Division No. 370] | [9.58 pm |
| AYES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Cartwright, John |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Clark, Dr David (S Shields) |
| Allen, Graham | Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) |
| Alton, David | Clay, Bob |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Clelland, David |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Clwyd, Mrs Ann |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Cohen, Harry |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Coleman, Donald |
| Ashton, Joe | Cook, Frank (Stockton N) |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Cook, Robin (Livingston) |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Corbett, Robin |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Corbyn, Jeremy |
| Barron, Kevin | Cousins, Jim |
| Battle, John | Cryer, Bob |
| Beckett, Margaret | Cummings, John |
| Beith, A. J. | Cunliffe, Lawrence |
| Bell, Stuart | Cunningham, Dr John |
| Bennett, A. F.(D'nt'n & R'dish) | Dalyell, Tam |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Darling, Alistair |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) |
| Boateng, Paul | Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) |
| Boyes, Roland | Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) |
| Bradley, Keith | Dewar, Donald |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Dixon, Don |
| Brown, Gordon (D'mline E) | Dobson, Frank |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | Douglas, Dick |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Duffy, A. E. P. |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Dunnachie, Jimmy |
| Buckley, George J. | Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth |
| Caborn, Richard | Eadie, Alexander |
| Callaghan, Jim | Eastham, Ken |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Evans, John (St Helens N) |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Fatchett, Derek |
| Canavan, Dennis | Faulds, Andrew |
| Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) | Fearn, Ronald |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) |
| Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) | Moonie, Dr Lewis |
| Fisher, Mark | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Flannery, Martin | Morley, Elliot |
| Flynn, Paul | Morris, Rt Hon J.(Aberavon) |
| Foster, Derek | Murphy, Paul |
| Fraser, John | Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon |
| Fyfe, Maria | O'Brien, William |
| Galloway, George | O'Neill, Martin |
| Garrett, John (Norwich South) | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) | Patchett, Terry |
| George, Bruce | Pendry, Tom |
| Godman, Dr Norman A. | Pike, Peter L. |
| Gordon, Mildred | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Gould, Bryan | Prescott, John |
| Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | Radice, Giles |
| Grocott, Bruce | Randall, Stuart |
| Harman, Ms Harriet | Redmond, Martin |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Reid, Dr John |
| Henderson, Doug | Richardson, Jo |
| Hinchliffe, David | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) | Rooker, Jeff |
| Hogg, N.(C'nauld & Kilsyth) | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Home Robertson, John | Rowlands, Ted |
| Howarth, George (Knowsley N) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Howells, Geraint | Salmond, Alex |
| Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Hoyle, Doug | Sheerman, Barry |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Illsley, Eric | Short, Clare |
| Ingram, Adam | Sillars, Jim |
| Janner, Greville | Skinner, Dennis |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) | Smith, C.(Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Môn) | Smith, J. P.(Vale of Glam) |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) | Snape, Peter |
| Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Soley, Clive |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Spearing, Nigel |
| Lambie, David | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Lamond, James | Stott, Roger |
| Leighton, Ron | Strang, Gavin |
| Lewis, Terry | Straw, Jack |
| Litherland, Robert | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Loyden, Eddie | Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) |
| McAllion, John | Turner, Dennis |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Vaz, Keith |
| McCartney, Ian | Wall, Pat |
| Macdonald, Calum A. | Wallace, James |
| McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| McKelvey, William | Wareing, Robert N. |
| McLeish, Henry | Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C) |
| McNamara, Kevin | Welsh, Andrew (Angus E) |
| McWilliam, John | Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) |
| Madden, Max | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Mahon, Mrs Alice | Williams, Alan W.(Carm'then) |
| Marek, Dr John | Wilson, Brian |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Winnick, David |
| Martin, Michael J.(Springburn) | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Martlew, Eric | Worthington, Tony |
| Maxton, John | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Meacher, Michael | |
| Meale, Alan | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Mr. Frank Haynes and Mrs. Llin Golding. |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) |
| NOES | |
| Adley, Robert | Atkins, Robert |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) |
| Alexander, Richard | Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Banks, Robert (Harrogate) |
| Amess, David | Bellingham, Henry |
| Amos, Alan | Bendall, Vivian |
| Arbuthnot, James | Benyon, W. |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Bevan, David Gilroy |
| Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) | Biffen, Rt Hon John |
| Ashby, David | Blackburn, Dr John G. |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Body, Sir Richard |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Ground, Patrick |
| Boswell, Tim | Grylls, Michael |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Hague, William |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Bowis, John | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Hannam, John |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Brazier, Julian | Harris, David |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Haselhurst, Alan |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Hawkins, Christopher |
| Budgen, Nicholas | Hayes, Jerry |
| Burns, Simon | Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney |
| Burt, Alistair | Hayward, Robert |
| Butler, Chris | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Butterfill, John | Heddle, John |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) |
| Carrington, Matthew | Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) |
| Carttiss, Michael | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Cash, William | Hill, James |
| Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda | Hind, Kenneth |
| Chapman, Sydney | Holt, Richard |
| Chope, Christopher | Howard, Michael |
| Churchill, Mr | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n) | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Colvin, Michael | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Conway, Derek | Hunter, Andrew |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Irvine, Michael |
| Couchman, James | Irving, Charles |
| Cran, James | Jack, Michael |
| Critchley, Julian | Janman, Tim |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Jessel, Toby |
| Curry, David | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Day, Stephen | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael |
| Devlin, Tim | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Dicks, Terry | Key, Robert |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Kilfedder, James |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Dover, Den | King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Dunn, Bob | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Dykes, Hugh | Knapman, Roger |
| Eggar, Tim | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) | Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) |
| Evennett, David | Knox, David |
| Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas | Lamont, Rt Hon Norman |
| Fallon, Michael | Lang, Ian |
| Favell, Tony | Latham, Michael |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Fishburn, John Dudley | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Forman, Nigel | Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | Lightbown, David |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Lilley, Peter |
| Fox, Sir Marcus | Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant) |
| Franks, Cecil | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Freeman, Roger | Lord, Michael |
| French, Douglas | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Gale, Roger | Lyell, Sir Nicholas |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Gill, Christopher | Maclean, David |
| Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian | McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | Major, Rt Hon John |
| Goodhart, Sir Philip | Malins, Humfrey |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Mans, Keith |
| Gorst, John | Maples, John |
| Gow, Ian | Marland, Paul |
| Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) | Marlow, Tony |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Gregory, Conal | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick |
| Grist, Ian | Mellor, David |
| Miller, Sir Hal | Speller, Tony |
| Mills, Iain | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Squire, Robin |
| Mitchell, Sir David | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Moate, Roger | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Steen, Anthony |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Stern, Michael |
| Moore, Rt Hon John | Stevens, Lewis |
| Moss, Malcolm | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Mudd, David | Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N) |
| Neale, Gerrard | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Nelson, Anthony | Sumberg, David |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Summerson, Hugo |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Paice, James | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Patnick, Irvine | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath) | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Patten, John (Oxford W) | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Thorne, Neil |
| Pawsey, James | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Thurnham, Peter |
| Porter, Barry (Wirral S) | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Portillo, Michael | Tracey, Richard |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Tredinnick, David |
| Price, Sir David | Trippier, David |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | Trotter, Neville |
| Renton, Tim | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Riddick, Graham | Walden, George |
| Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm | Waller, Gary |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Ward, John |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Rost, Peter | Warren, Kenneth |
| Rumbold, Mrs Angela | Watts, John |
| Ryder, Richard | Wheeler, John |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Whitney, Ray |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') | Wolfson, Mark |
| Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) | Wood, Timothy |
| Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) | Yeo, Tim |
| Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Shersby, Michael | |
| Sims, Roger | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Skeet, Sir Trevor | Mr. Tony Durant and Mr. Alastair Goodlad. |
| Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) | |
| Soames, Hon Nicholas |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ It being after Ten o'clock, further consideration of the Lords amendments stood adjourned.
§
Motion made, and Question proposed,
That, at this day's sitting, the Local Government and Housing Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour.—[Mr.Nicholas Baker]
§ Question put:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 278, Noes 77.
934| Divlsion No. 371] | [10.13 pm |
| AYES | |
| Adley, Robert | Aspinwall, Jack |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Atkins, Robert |
| Alexander, Richard | Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) |
| Amess, David | Bellingham, Henry |
| Amos, Alan | Benyon, W. |
| Arbuthnot, James | Bevan, David Gilroy |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Biffen, Rt Hon John |
| Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) | Blackburn, Dr John G. |
| Ashby, David | Body, Sir Richard |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Boswell, Tim | Hannam, John |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Harris, David |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Haselhurst, Alan |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Hawkins, Christopher |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Hayes, Jerry |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney |
| Brazier, Julian | Hayward, Robert |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Heddle, John |
| Budgen, Nicholas | Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) |
| Burns, Simon | Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) |
| Burt, Alistair | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Butler, Chris | Hill, James |
| Butterfill, John | Hind, Kenneth |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Holt, Richard |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Howard, Michael |
| Carrington, Matthew | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Carttiss, Michael | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Cash, William | Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) |
| Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda | Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Chope, Christopher | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Churchill, Mr | Hunter, Andrew |
| Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n) | Irvine, Michael |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Irving, Charles |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Jack, Michael |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Janman, Tim |
| Colvin, Michael | Jessel, Toby |
| Conway, Derek | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael |
| Couchman, James | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Cran, James | Key, Robert |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Kilfedder, James |
| Curry, David | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Day, Stephen | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Devlin, Tim | Knapman, Roger |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) |
| Dover, Den | Knox, David |
| Dunn, Bob | Lamont, Rt Hon Norman |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) | Lang, Ian |
| Evennett, David | Latham, Michael |
| Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Fallon, Michael | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Favell, Tony | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Lightbown, David |
| Fishburn, John Dudley | Lilley, Peter |
| Forman, Nigel | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | Lord, Michael |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Fox, Sir Marcus | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Franks, Cecil | Maclean, David |
| Freeman, Roger | McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick |
| French, Douglas | Major, Rt Hon John |
| Gale, Roger | Malins, Humfrey |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Mans, Keith |
| Gill, Christopher | Maples, John |
| Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian | Marland, Paul |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | Marlow, Tony |
| Goodhart, Sir Philip | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Gorst, John | Maude, Hon Francis |
| Gow, Ian | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) | Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Mellor, David |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Gregory, Conal | Mills, Iain |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Miscampbell, Norman |
| Grist, Ian | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Ground, Patrick | Mitchell, Sir David |
| Grylls, Michael | Moate, Roger |
| Hague, William | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Moore, Rt Hon John |
| Moss, Malcolm | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Mudd, David | Steen, Anthony |
| Neale, Gerrard | Stern, Michael |
| Nelson, Anthony | Stevens, Lewis |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N) |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Sumberg, David |
| Paice, James | Summerson, Hugo |
| Patnick, Irvine | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Patten, Rt Hon Chris (Bath) | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Patten, John (Oxford W) | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Pawsey, James | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Porter, Barry (Wirral S) | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Portillo, Michael | Thorne, Neil |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Price, Sir David | Thurnham, Peter |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Renton, Tim | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Tracey, Richard |
| Riddick, Graham | Tredinnick, David |
| Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas | Trippier, David |
| Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm | Trotter, Neville |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Rost, Peter | Walden, George |
| Rowe, Andrew | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Ryder, Richard | Waller, Gary |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Ward, John |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas | Warren, Kenneth |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Watts, John |
| Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) | Wheeler, John |
| Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') | Whitney, Ray |
| Shephard, Mrs G.(Norfolk SW) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Shersby, Michael | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Sims, Roger | Wolfson, Mark |
| Skeet, Sir Trevor | Wood, Timothy |
| Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) | Yeo, Tim |
| Soames, Hon Nicholas | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Speller, Tony | |
| Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) | Mr. Alastair Goodlad and Mr. Tony Durant. |
| Squire, Robin |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Fraser, John |
| Allen, Graham | Garrett, John (Norwich South) |
| Alton, David | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Beith, A. J. | Grocott, Bruce |
| Bradley, Keith | Harman, Ms Harriet |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Haynes, Frank |
| Buckley, George J. | Home Robertson, John |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Howells, Geraint |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Canavan, Dennis | Hughes, Simon (Southwark) |
| Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) | Illsley, Eric |
| Cartwright, John | Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Môn) |
| Clay, Bob | Kirkwood, Archy |
| Cohen, Harry | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | McAllion, John |
| Cousins, Jim | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Cryer, Bob | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Cummings, John | McWilliam, John |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Madden, Max |
| Dalyell, Tam | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Marek, Dr John |
| Fatchett, Derek | Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) |
| Faulds, Andrew | Martlew, Eric |
| Fearn, Ronald | Maxton, John |
| Flynn, Paul | Meale, Alan |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Wall, Pat |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Morley, Elliot | Welsh, Andrew (Angus E) |
| Patchett, Terry | Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) |
| Pike, Peter L. | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Williams, Alan W.(Carm'then) |
| Redmond, Martin | Wilson, Brian |
| Rowlands, Ted | Winnick, David |
| Salmond, Alex | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Skinner, Dennis | |
| Smith, J. P. (Vale of Glam) | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Spearing, Nigel | Mr. Malcolm Bruce and Mr. James Wallace. |
| Steinberg, Gerry | |
| Vaz, Keith |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Mr. Jeremy Corbyn (Islington, North)On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Have you had any intimation from either the Leader of the House or the Secretary of State for Health about the state of the ambulance service in London? The Secretary of State claimed in the Chamber this afternoon that union members of the London ambulance service were refusing to provide a 999 service, a statement which has been emphatically denied. We now understand that some calls are being routed directly to ambulance stations because the police and the Ministry of Defence, which have been brought in to break the dispute, are unable to cope with the emergency calls. Clearly this is now a serious situation—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I have had no such request.
§ Mrs. Alice Mahon (Halifax)Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker—
§ Mr. SpeakerIt is not a point of order.
§ Mrs. MahonOn a new point of order, Mr. Speaker. Tonight, on both the 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock news, the Secretary of State for Health said that a letter would be delivered to the ambulance negotiators in respect of the emergency services, which the—[Interruption.]
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder.
§ Mrs. Mahonrose—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. That is as may be, but it is not a matter of order for me.
§ Mr. Dennis Skinner (Bolsover)Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker—
§ Mr. SpeakerNo; it is not a matter of order for me.
§ Mr. SkinnerWell, on another point of order then, Mr. Speaker.
§ Mr. SpeakerThe hon. Gentleman is an experienced occupant of a chair, so let his point be in order because otherwise I shall deal with it in the way in which I am sure that he would.
§ Mr. SkinnerYou will recall, Mr. Speaker, quite a number of occasions during your tenure of office when there have been important developments—and bringing in the Army is an important development politically. In view of the reports on the 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock news, and since we had a statement earlier today on this in your presence, and because of the contradictory statements that are now flowing from both the Secretary of State for Health and the union negotiators, I should have thought 935 it a good idea for the Government to make a further statement to the House so that the matter can be cleared up and we can support the ambulance—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will have been heard by those responsible on the Government Front Bench.
§ Mr. WinnickOn a point of order, Mr. Speaker—
§ Lords amendments again considered.
§ Lords amendment No. 119 agreed to.
§ Lords amendments Nos. 120 to 128 and 318 to 327 agreed to. [Some with Special Entry.]