HC Deb 29 June 1989 vol 155 cc1200-2

Queen's Recommendation having been signified—

Motion made, and Question proposed, That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Representation of the People Bill, it is expedient to authorise—

  1. (a) the charging on and payment out of the Consolidated Fund of any increase attributable to the Act in the sums charged on and paid out of that Fund under any other enactment, and
  2. (b) the payment out of money provided by Parliament of—
    1. (i) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other enactment, and
    2. (ii) any administrative expenses incurred by the Secretary of State in consequence of the Act. —[Mr. Douglas Hogg.]

10.12 pm
Mr. Harry Barnes (Derbyshire, North-East)

No price is too high for the extension of democracy. However, the Bill will mean the destruction of democracy. The poll tax has destroyed the British electorate and the Government are now prepared to spend money on replacing that electorate with expatriates who have few links with Britain. They should not spend money on the destruction of democracy. If the Government are intent on destroying democracy, they should do it on the cheap. They are not doing that in the Bill.

What is spent on electoral registration and its subsequent provisions in Britain? The explanatory and financial memorandum gives a cost of £1.72 per person for initial registration and 62p per person thereafter. What do such figures cover? Do they cover the issuing of registration forms that people are asked to complete? Will they be even simpler than my poll tax registration form, which has not yet been filled in and will not be filled in? Is there any money for advertising to encourage people to register?

The Government are very lax about encouraging people to register for electoral purposes. Last year they spent about £320,000—a little more than previously—from a total advertising budget of £100 million. It appears that the franchise is worth only 0.31 per cent. of the Government's advertising expenditure while other rubbish such as the poll tax leaflet, which costs a fortune, is dished out and used to destroy the democratic process rather than extend it.

Earlier, the Minister stated that as many as 2 million British citizens overseas could qualify for electoral registration under the provisions of the Representation of the People Bill, which has been given its Second Reading. To provide that facility will cost £3.5 million, which contrasts starkly with the £320,000 that the Government spend on stimulating the electorate in this country.

Is there any alternative to spending that £3.5 million on initial registration, and the additional £1 million required to maintain the electoral rolls of people who have little connection with this country? In many cases they have deserted this country for more than 25 years; others were taken out of this country as babes in arms but after 18 years they will qualify to vote in Britain. They will survive for at least seven years on the electoral register, probably voting in respect of constituencies that did not even exist when they were born and about which they know nothing.

No money should be spent by the Government in connection with the Representation of the People Bill. If they want to implement its provisions, they should do so off their own bat and not expect the public to pay for the destruction of democracy, of public services, and of the freedoms for which working-class people have struggled for so long.

Question put:

The House divided: Ayes 98, Noes 5.Stevens, Lewis

Division No. 270] [10.17 pm
AYES
Alexander, Richard Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Amess, David Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)
Amos, Alan Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)
Arbuthnot, James Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) Irvine, Michael
Ashby, David Janman, Tim
Atkinson, David Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Bevan, David Gilroy Lawrence, Ivan
Boscawen, Hon Robert Lee, John (Pendle)
Boswell, Tim Lightbown, David
Bowis, John Lilley, Peter
Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Bright, Graham Lord, Michael
Buck, Sir Antony Lyell, Sir Nicholas
Butler, Chris Macfarlane, Sir Neil
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Carrington, Matthew Maclean, David
Carttiss, Michael McLoughlin, Patrick
Chapman, Sydney McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael
Chope, Christopher McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Mans, Keith
Davis, David (Boothferry) Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Devlin, Tim Maude, Hon Francis
Dover, Den Mitchell, Sir David
Emery, Sir Peter Moate, Roger
Fallon, Michael Moss, Malcolm
Fishburn, John Dudley Moynihan, Hon Colin
Forth, Eric Neubert, Michael
Franks, Cecil Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Freeman, Roger Norris, Steve
Garel-Jones, Tristan Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Gill, Christopher Porter, David (Waveney)
Gow, Ian Raffan, Keith
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Rhodes James, Robert
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) Roe, Mrs Marion
Ground, Patrick Sackville, Hon Tom
Hague, William Shaw, David (Dover)
Hampson, Dr Keith Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Harris, David Shersby, Michael
Hawkins, Christopher Sims, Roger
Stevens, Lewis Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Stradling Thomas, Sir John Widdecombe, Ann
Summerson, Hugo Wood, Timothy
Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Thorne, Neil Tellers for the Ayes:
Thurnham, Peter Mr. Kenneth Carlisle and
Waddington, Rt Hon David Mr. Stephen Dorrell.
NOES
Cohen, Harry
Nellist, Dave Tellers for the Noes:
Pike, Peter L. Mr. Harry Barnes and
Skinner, Dennis Mr. Tony Banks.
Spearing, Nigel

Question accordingly agreed to.

Resolved, That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Representation of the People Bill, it is expedient to authorize—

  1. (a) the charging on and payment out of the Consolidated Fund of any increase attributable to the Act in the sums charged on and paid out of that Fund under any other enactment, and
  2. (b) the payment out of money provided by Parliament of—
    1. (i) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other enactment, and
    2. (ii) any administrative expenses incurred by the Secretary of State in consequence of the Act.