§ Again considered in Committee.
§ Question again proposed, That the clause stand part of the Bill.
§ Mr. MarlowWe should not want my right hon. Friend to resign, but the reason that he gave for having to was that the Government gave a commitment. But the Government gave a commitment about the Bill before Bruges, at a time when the Community was running out of funds. Now that the Community has money there is no need to pass the Bill, because it is not short of funds. I assure my right hon. Friend that we shall not require his resignation if the Government lose the clause this evening. So perhaps he will change his mind, and then we may get financial discipline in the Community.
§ Question put, That the Clause stand part of the Bill:—
§ The Committee divided: Ayes 290, Noes 157
125| Division 451] | [10.01 pm |
| AYES | |
| Alexander, Richard | Benyon, W. |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Bevan, David Gilroy |
| Allason, Rupert | Biffen, Rt Hon John |
| Amess, David | Blackburn, Dr John G. |
| Amos, Alan | Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter |
| Arbuthnot, James | Bonsor, Sir Nicholas |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Boscawen, Hon Robert |
| Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) | Boswell, Tim |
| Ashby, David | Bottomley, Peter |
| Ashdown, Paddy | Bottomley, Mrs Virginia |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) |
| Atkinson, David | Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) | Bowis, John |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes |
| Baldry, Tony | Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Brandon-Bravo, Martin |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Brazier, Julian |
| Batiste, Spencer | Bright, Graham |
| Beith, A. J. | Brittan, Rt Hon Leon |
| Bellingham, Henry | Brooke, Rt Hon Peter |
| Bendall, Vivian | Brown, Michael (Brigg & CI't's) |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Browne, John (Winchester) |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Hawkins, Christopher |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney |
| Burns, Simon | Hayward, Robert |
| Burt, Alistair | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Butcher, John | Heddle, John |
| Butler, Chris | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Butterfill, John | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Hill, James |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Carttiss, Michael | Holt, Richard |
| Cash, William | Hordern, Sir Peter |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Howard, Michael |
| Chapman, Sydney | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Chope, Christopher | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) |
| Colvin, Michael | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Conway, Derek | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Hunter, Andrew |
| Cope, Rt Hon John | Irvine, Michael |
| Cormack, Patrick | Jack, Michael |
| Couchman, James | Jackson, Robert |
| Cran, James | Jessel, Toby |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Curry, David | Johnston, Sir Russell |
| Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Day, Stephen | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Devlin, Tim | Kennedy, Charles |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Key, Robert |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Dunn, Bob | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Durant, Tony | Knapman, Roger |
| Dykes, Hugh | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Eggar, Tim | Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Knowles, Michael |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) | Knox, David |
| Evennett, David | Lamont, Rt Hon Norman |
| Fallon, Michael | Lang, Ian |
| Favell, Tony | Latham, Michael |
| Fearn, Ronald | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Lightbown, David |
| Fishburn, John Dudley | Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant) |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Forman, Nigel | Lord, Michael |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | Lyell, Sir Nicholas |
| Forth, Eric | McCrindle, Robert |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Macfarlane, Sir Neil |
| Fox, Sir Marcus | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Freeman, Roger | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| French, Douglas | Maclean, David |
| Fry, Peter | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Gale, Roger | McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael |
| Gardiner, George | McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) |
| Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian | Madel, David |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | Major, Rt Hon John |
| Goodhart, Sir Philip | Malins, Humfrey |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Mans, Keith |
| Gorst, John | Maples, John |
| Gow, Ian | Marland, Paul |
| Gower, Sir Raymond | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) |
| Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Mates, Michael |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Maude, Hon Francis |
| Gregory, Conal | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Grist, Ian | Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick |
| Ground, Patrick | Mellor, David |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Mills, Iain |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Mitchell, David (Hants NW) |
| Hannam, John | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') | Moore, Rt Hon John |
| Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) | Morris, M (N'hampton S) |
| Harris, David | Morrison, Sir Charles |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) |
| Moss, Malcolm | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| Mudd, David | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Neale, Gerrard | Squire, Robin |
| Nelson, Anthony | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Steen, Anthony |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Stern, Michael |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Stevens, Lewis |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N) |
| Page, Richard | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Paice, James | Summerson, Hugo |
| Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Patnick, Irvine | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Patten, John (Oxford W) | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Pawsey, James | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Thorne, Neil |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Thurnham, Peter |
| Price, Sir David | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Raffan, Keith | Tracey, Richard |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | Tredinnick, David |
| Redwood, John | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Riddick, Graham | Waddington, Rt Hon David |
| Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Ridsdale, Sir Julian | Walden, George |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Wallace, James |
| Roe, Mrs Marion | Waller, Gary |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Walters, Sir Dennis |
| Rost, Peter | Ward, John |
| Rowe, Andrew | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Rumbold, Mrs Angela | Warren, Kenneth |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Wheeler, John |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Whitney, Ray |
| Scott, Nicholas | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) | Wilkinson, John |
| Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb") | Wilshire, David |
| Shelton, William (Streatham) | Wolfson, Mark |
| Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) | Wood, Timothy |
| Shersby, Michael | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Skeet, Sir Trevor | |
| Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) | Mr Tristan Garel-Jones and |
| Soames, Hon Nicholas | Mr Michael Neubert |
| NOES | |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Coleman, Donald |
| Anderson, Donald | Cook, Frank (Stockton N) |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Corbett, Robin |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Cousins, Jim |
| Ashton, Joe | Crowther, Stan |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Cryer, Bob |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Cummings, John |
| Battle, John | Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) |
| Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'I) |
| Beckett, Margaret | Dixon, Don |
| Bell, Stuart | Dobson, Frank |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Doran, Frank |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Dover, Den |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Duffy, A. E. P. |
| Blair, Tony | Eadie, Alexander |
| Boateng, Paul | Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) |
| Body, Sir Richard | Fatchett, Derek |
| Boyes, Roland | Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Flannery, Martin |
| Brown, Gordon (D'mline E) | Flynn, Paul |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | Foster, Derek |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Foulkes, George |
| Buchan, Norman | Fraser, John |
| Buckley, George J. | George, Bruce |
| Budgen, Nicholas | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Caborn, Richard | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Gordon, Mildred |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Gould, Bryan |
| Clay, Bob | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Clelland, David | Grocott, Bruce |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Hardy, Peter |
| Cohen, Harry | Haynes, Frank |
| Henderson, Doug | O'Brien, William |
| Hinchliffe, David | O'Neill, Martin |
| Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) | Patchett, Terry |
| Holland, Stuart | Pike, Peter L. |
| Home Robertson, John | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Hood, Jimmy | Prescott, John |
| Hoyle, Doug | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Hughes, John (Coventry NE) | Radice, Giles |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Redmond, Martin |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport E) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| Illsley, Eric | Reid, Dr John |
| Ingram, Adam | Robertson, George |
| Janner, Greville | Rogers, Allan |
| John, Brynmor | Rooker, Jeff |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Lamond, James | Sheerman, Barry |
| Leadbitter, Ted | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| Leighton, Ron | Short, Clare |
| Lestor, Joan (Eccles) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Lewis, Terry | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Livingstone, Ken | Soley, Clive |
| Lloyd, Tony (Stratford) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Loyden, Eddie | Stott, Roger |
| McAllion, John | Strang, Gavin |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| McCartney, Ian | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Macdonald, Calum A. | Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) |
| McFall, John | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) | Turner, Dennis |
| McKelvey, William | Vaz, Keith |
| McLeish, Henry | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| McWilliam, John | Wall, Pat |
| Mahon, Mrs Alice | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Marek, Dr John | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Marlow, Tony | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| Martlew, Eric | Wilson, Brian |
| Meale, Alan | Winnick, David |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Molyneaux, Rt Hon James | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Worthington, Tony |
| Morley, Elliott | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | |
| Mowlam, Marjorie | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Mullin, Chris | Mr. Ken Eastham and |
| Murphy, Paul | Mr. Alun Michael. |
| Nellist, Dave |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
10.15 pm§ Mr. SpearingOn a point of order, Miss Boothroyd. I think that the next matter that the Committee will decide is whether to divide on new clause 3. If not, it will be new clause 4.
§ Clause 2 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
§ Mr. SpearingOn a point of order, Miss Boothroyd. Had I or my hon. Friends wished to divide on new clause 3, which had been selected, there would now be another Division, taking approximately 15 minutes. You will know, Miss Boothroyd, because you were in the Chair at the time, that the business motion was passed at 10 o'clock. You will also notice on the Order Paper that the business after the Committee has decided to finish is a prayer. No penalty time is available, so that debate must finish at 11.30 pm, come what may. Therefore, any time taken now in any Division, such as a Division on new clause 3, and any debate or Division on new clause 4 will automatically reduce the time available to Her Majesty's Opposition in debating the prayer.
126 I am willing to believe that that is an unusual circumstance that has come about through inadvertence, but I hope that you, Miss Boothroyd, will confirm that what I have said is correct and that others who are listening may take note of this so that it does not happen again because it may be said to restrict unduly the freedom of speech, which the Government are beginning to do in several different ways.
The Second Deputy ChairmanNo request has been made for a Division on new clause 3. What the hon. Gentleman says is absolutely correct. We must now move to new clause 4.