HC Deb 20 July 1988 vol 137 cc1198-215

Lords amendment: No. 88, in page 27, line 35, leave out "before the beginning of the year"

Mr. Chope

I beg to move, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said amendment.

Madam Deputy Speaker

With this it will be convenient to take the following Lords amendments: No. 89, in page 27, line 36, leave out subsections (2) and (3) and insert—

confer major benefits worth hundreds of millions of pounds on manufacturing industry, especially in the north and the midlands.

The fourth fact, contrary to the forecasts of some organisations, is that there is little evidence that small businesses will face larger rates increases than large businesses. The big increases are likely to be confined to areas which have prospered most over the past 15 years and whose rates as a result are way below what they should be—the prime high street retail sites and, possibly, out-of-town superstores. These are activities where large businesses predominate. The secondary neighbourhood shopping centres and corner shops are likely to face appreciably smaller increases, since it is commonly accepted that they have done less well than prime shops in the past 15 years. Small manufacturers are likely to gain, but it may be more difficult for small businesses to absorb increases quickly, and I shall come to that point.

The introduction of the NNDR linked to the retail prices index will ensure that businesses throughout the country can plan investments in a climate of unprecedented rates stability.

Mr. McLoughlin

Is my hon. Friend aware that we are being criticised by Derbyshire county council for the alleged problems of the health authority? Southern Derbyshire health authority allocated a 4.5 per cent. increase for its rates this year, but was landed with a 13 per cent. increase, which cost the authority an extra £234,000. It was difficult for it to budget for that, and the money has to come out of that allocated for other services. The proposed link to inflation will help authorities, such as health authorities, plan their budgets sensibly.

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Mr. Chope

As usual, my hon. Friend makes his point very well. It is spot on, because the stability that will be introduced by these changes will be welcomed, not only by businesses, but by all ratepayers, including hospitals.

Small businesses stand to gain from this more than most, as they are less well equipped to cope with unpredictable increases and cannot trade off high rates in one area for low rates elsewhere. We are thus moving to a simpler, fairer and more stable rating system for all businesses, as many of the business organisations have come to recognise. We are determined though that it should be done without any businesses having to face the sort of rate shock so frequently forced on them in recent years by local authorities run by the Labour party. We are determined that, for the limited number of businesses that will face large rate increases, these will be introduced gradually in stages to give them time to adjust.

We are especially sensitive to the difficulties of small businesses. We have made it clear at all stages that there will be generous transitional arrangements, taking the form of a ceiling on the percentage by which rate bills may rise from one year to the next. We have had some representations from the business organisations about what that ceiling might be, but we shall not reach a final decision until after we have better forecasts of the likely effects of revaluation, which will be available in the autumn.

The Opposition amendment to Lords amendment No. 89 would require the Secretary of State, in setting the rules for finding the chargeable amount due under the transitional arrangements, to do so having regard to the need to promote local employment". If only the Opposition would practise what they preach. Our whole policy has regard to the need to promote local employment". That is why the Government have succeeded in reducing unemployment by more than 500,000 since the last general election.

As I have just explained, we are eliminating two major factors which discourage local employment where it is most desperately needed—in the north of England and in the inner cities. We are ending once and for all the situation in which inefficient Labour authorities can bleed local industry dry to pay for their profligacy. We are creating the stability necessary for investment, and through revaluation we are ending the situation in which monstrously out-of-date valuations result in businesses in these areas paying far more in rates than they should. Our whole policy encourages employment in those areas where it is most needed—those areas where the policies of the Labour party have often had the freest rein.

We had made a start through rate capping. For example, in Waltham Forest we have reduced rates this year by 28 per cent., and in Ealing by 22 per cent. We do not want to delay the benefits due to those who have been paying too much any longer than is necessary, but the transitional arrangements will have to be self-financing. There is no reason to make other taxpayers or community charge payers pay for protection for businesses.

Mr. Jim Cousins (Newcastle upon Tyne, Central)

Will the hon. Gentleman please have the honesty to explain the consequences of self-financing? Self-financing means that manufacturing industry in the north and the midlands will pay relatively more to finance the transitional arrangements of much more prosperous business, commerce and industry elsewhere. Will the Government be honest and concede that the self-financing mechanism is one that claws back many of the advantages about which the Minister has just been talking?

Mr. Chope

It is true that the full benefits of the large reductions will not come through straight away for some businesses, but they will come through in due course.

Mr. Allen McKay

How long?

Mr. Chope

We estimate that within about two years most businesses will receive the full benefits of the reductions, but for some businesses it will take a little longer.

Mr. Tony Marlow (Northampton, North)

I should not have intervened but for the fact that I am deeply worried because the amendment gives my hon. Friend—in whom I have a great deal of faith—the opportunity to introduce regulations. I know that basically the amendment relates to regulations with regard to non-domestic premises, but we have heard today that the Labour party proposes to replace the community charge with two taxes. Would that enable the Opposition to replace what my hon. Friend honourably and decently is trying to do to make things more helpful with two, three, four or even five taxes? If that is the case, we have every right to be worried and concerned, because it is rather open-ended.

Mr. Chope

My hon. Friend is right to express concern about these matters. The hon. Member for Birmingham, Perry Barr (Mr. Rooker) may tell the House that his party proposes to have two new taxes to replace domestic rates or the community charge, but Opposition Members have not yet made it clear what will happen with non-domestic rates, which is what we are discussing.

I expect the substantial majority of the rates increases and reductions to go through completely within two or three years. Moreover, all businesses due to benefit will have their rates reduced at the outset, and they will be able to plan their business in the knowledge of the full reduction that they will eventually receive.

As the Bill left this House, it contained provisions for setting such a ceiling for the years 1990–95 and for the costs to be met by a premium on the NNDR poundage, which would have been phased over the same period. As a result of the views expressed in the House and by business representative organisations, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State announced on Report on 21 April that we would make some modifications to the arrangements. These amendments give effect to those commitments.

The debate was originally timed to go on for much longer, but, because of the antics of the Opposition, much of that time has been wasted on pointless Divisions. Notwithstanding that, I shall make my remarks shorter than I otherwise would have done.

Mr. Rooker

The Minister has a damned cheek. Earlier this afternoon, with other Conservative Members, he voted to stop us debating the Lords amendments and thereby deprived us of the chance of voting against any or all of those to which we object. He then complained when we, Her Majesty's Opposition, decided—it was not the Government deciding for us—what we will vote against, without orders from the Government. He had a damned cheek to make that remark. We choose what happens when he has cut our time.

Mr. Chope

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Mr. Rooker

No, I shall not give way. The Minister took too long anyway. The debate finishes at 10.15. The Minister has a damned cheek, and I am entitled to make a complaint about his remark, just to set it on the record.

On 9 June, in another place, the Earl of Caithness said: This is not to deny that there will be some businesses in particular locations that will face large increases."—[Official Report, House of Lords, 9 June 1988; Vol. 497, c. 1539.] I wait in due course—it will not be this year, but some time before the howls of protest from Conservative Members—for the time when the effects of revaluation and the operation of the national business rate—I do not know why we changed it, but it is still our unified business rate—come together. That will cause horrendous problems in many parts of the country.

It is not only industry that will gain. Obviously, old factories, which, tragically, not many people want to rent, will tend to fall relatively in rateable value. But not all old factories are in the north. There are many manufacturing areas in the south. Rates will go through the roof. In Committee, reference was made to an enterprise in Canterbury—not a factory, a nursery. The effect of the national business rate and revaluation will put up rate payments by 722 per cent. It is the case that I always remember, because we did not have a higher example. The increase will be 722 per cent. because of the operation of revaluation, along with the unified business rate.

It is true that many aspects of business have been led to believe that, on paper, they will gain. That is right. In the midlands and in the north, on paper, many businesses, particularly traditional businesses, will gain, and new businesses—high-tech offices, high street shops and so on—will pay more.

The gainers will have their gains capped to buttress the losses for those who are to lose. Business men in the north of the country were told, "There is a stack of money coming off the rates. People down south are going to pay a lot more". That is not true. The business men in the midlands and the north will pay such a surcharge so that, for example, people in that nursery in Canterbury do not have to pay that 722 per cent. all in one go. [Interruption.] The fact that they will not get all the gains that Ministers said they would get has not been fully explained to business men in the midlands and the north. I do not say this as a criticism; I must take this brief opportunity, which is all I am permitted, so that in 1989 and 1990, when the scheme is introduced, no Conservative Member will be able to say that the Opposition did not warn them.

When the howls of protest come from small and large businesses all over Britain, it will be the Opposition—[HON. MEMBERS: "No."] Even in the south, some businesses will be hit. The Opposition have warned about this—to their credit, so did one or two Conservative Members—in Committee and on Report. We have said that the system will not quite work as the propaganda says. We do not have the details. The Minister still cannot tell us the length of the transitional periods when the gainers have their money capped. He said that it would be two years for some but a lot longer for other businesses.

Conservative Members, including the hon. Member for Derbyshire, West (Mr. McLoughlin), applauded the fact that the poll tax will be tied to the rate of inflation. That is fine, as long as Conservative Members can say to their constituents in due course that the personal poll tax went through the roof exponentially in two or three years, even under Tory authorities, because the business rate was capped artificially in line with inflation. We all know that by no stretch of imagination can local authority expenditure normally be compartmentalised in the retail price index. [HON. MEMBERS: "Why."] For the same reason that NHS expenditure cannot be compartmentalised in the RPI.

Dame Elaine Kellett-Bowman

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Mr. Rooker

The hon. Lady voted to limit our remarks and to stop us from debating, so I do not intend to give way to her.

Local authority expenditure cannot be compartmentalised, for an obvious reason—its nature. It is labour intensive. Even some local government capital increases by much more than the RPI. The same applies to the health authorities, as the hon. Lady knows. If the business rate and Government grant are capped in line with inflation, for every 1 per cent. that local authority expenditure is above the Government's imposed norms—what Whitehall thinks is best for the hon. Lady's local authority—the poll tax of her constituents will increase by 4p. That is 4p for 1 p. The hon. Lady will have a job explaining to her constituents that it is not a matter of one for one. She will have to explain why the business rate is capped. Businesses will not be paying a rate that is at all relative to what they receive from local authorities.

It is important that local authorities talk to businesses. I want that to happen. We support the revaluation. It should have occurred in the domestic sector, let alone in the industrial sector. But revaluation at the same time as the national business rate causes the problem. In due course, the Government may decide to go ahead with one and not the other. They cannot say that they will not because they do not yet have the figures and will not have the sample survey until later in the year.

The Minister told businesses that some will lose and some will gain, but overall the Government would be merely collecting the same amount, so it would he OK. Exactly the same argument applies to the poll tax. It only collects the same amount as domestic rates, although there are massive differences in how people will lose and gain. It will be the same in the business sector. It is no good the Minister saying, "We are only collecting the same amount of money," when small business men and others are queueing up in his office saying, "You did not explain, Minister, that you were putting us out of business by what you did. You did not tell the House of Commons how much extra we would have to pay, but you pushed the legislation through without proper debate. You said that you would give us some transitional protection, but we now find that that does not work for our businesses in our part of the country." That is bound to happen, as the Minister knows.

In the interests of good order and good debate, I draw my remarks to a close so that all hon. Members who voted for the guillotine can actually participate.

Mr. Simon Hughes (Southwark and Bermondsey)

Thirty seconds of the debate remain. That shows the ludicrousness of the guillotine procedure.

The Government have come to the House with no figures and have resisted the demand made by small businesses for a lower rate. The Minister knows that he and his Government will still be in power when small business men say, "You did not tell us the truth." The figures do not add up. They have never been given, and the Government have not——

It being a quarter past Ten o'clock MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER proceeded, pursuant to the Order this day, to put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair.

Question agreed to.

Lords amendment No. 88 agreed to.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER then proceeded to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that hour.

Question put forthwith, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in their amendment No. 300:—

The House Divided: Ayes 293, Noes 206.

Division No. 434] [10.15 pm
AYES
Aitken, Jonathan Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)
Alexander, Richard Colvin, Michael
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Conway, Derek
Amos, Alan Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)
Arbuthnot, James Coombs, Simon (Swindon)
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Cope, Rt Hon John
Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) Couchman, James
Ashby, David Cran, James
Atkins, Robert Currie, Mrs Edwina
Atkinson, David Curry, David
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)
Baldry, Tony Davis, David (Boothferry)
Batiste, Spencer Day, Stephen
Bellingham, Henry Devlin, Tim
Bendall, Vivian Dicks, Terry
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) Dorrell, Stephen
Bevan, David Gilroy Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Dover, Den
Blackburn, Dr John G. Dunn, Bob
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Durant, Tony
Body, Sir Richard Emery, Sir Peter
Boswell, Tim Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)
Bottomley, Peter Evennett, David
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Fallon, Michael
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) Farr, Sir John
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Favell, Tony
Bowis, John Fenner, Dame Peggy
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes Field, Barry (Isle of Wight)
Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Fishburn, John Dudley
Brazier, Julian Fookes, Miss Janet
Bright, Graham Forman, Nigel
Brittan, Rt Hon Leon Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Forth, Eric
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) Fox, Sir Marcus
Browne, John (Winchester) Franks, Cecil
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Freeman, Roger
Buck, Sir Antony French, Douglas
Burt, Alistair Fry, Peter
Butcher, John Gale, Roger
Butler, Chris Gardiner, George
Butterfill, John Garel-Jones, Tristan
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) Gill, Christopher
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Carrington, Matthew Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Cash, William Gorst, John
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Gow, Ian
Chapman, Sydney Gower, Sir Raymond
Chope, Christopher Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)
Churchill, Mr Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Gregory, Conal
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) Mellor, David
Grist, Ian Miller, Sir Hal
Ground, Patrick Mills, Iain
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Hanley, Jeremy Mitchell, David (Hants NW)
Hannam, John Moate, Roger
Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') Monro, Sir Hector
Harris, David Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Haselhurst, Alan Moore, Rt Hon John
Hawkins, Christopher Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester)
Hayes, Jerry Moss, Malcolm
Hayward, Robert Moynihan, Hon Colin
Heathcoat-Amory, David Mudd, David
Heddle, John Neale, Gerrard
Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) Nelson, Anthony
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Neubert, Michael
Hill, James Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Hind, Kenneth Nicholls, Patrick
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Holt, Richard Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Howard, Michael Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) Oppenheim, Phillip
Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Page, Richard
Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) Paice, James
Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) Patnick, Irvine
Hunt, David (Wirral W) Patten, Chris (Bath)
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Pawsey, James
Hunter, Andrew Porter, David (Waveney)
Irving, Charles Portillo, Michael
Jack, Michael Powell, William (Corby)
Jackson, Robert Price, Sir David
Janman, Tim Raison, Rt Hon Timothy
Jessel, Toby Redwood, John
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Rhodes James, Robert
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Riddick, Graham
Jones, Robert B (Herts W) Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas
Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine Ridsdale, Sir Julian
Key, Robert Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Kilfedder, James Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)
King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) Roe, Mrs Marion
King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) Rossi, Sir Hugh
Kirkhope, Timothy Rost, Peter
Knapman, Roger Rowe, Andrew
Knight, Greg (Derby North) Rumbold, Mrs Angela
Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) Ryder, Richard
Knowles, Michael Sackville, Hon Tom
Lamont, Rt Hon Norman Sainsbury, Hon Tim
Lang, Ian Sayeed, Jonathan
Latham, Michael Shaw, David (Dover)
Lawrence, Ivan Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Lee, John (Pendle) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Lightbown, David Sims, Roger
Lilley, Peter Skeet, Sir Trevor
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Lord, Michael Soames, Hon Nicholas
Luce, Rt Hon Richard Speed, Keith
Lyell, Sir Nicholas Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)
McCrindle, Robert Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Macfarlane, Sir Neil Stanbrook, Ivor
MacGregor, Rt Hon John Stanley, Rt Hon John
MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) Stern, Michael
Maclean, David Stevens, Lewis
McLoughlin, Patrick Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael Stewart, Andy (Sherwood)
McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N)
Madel, David Stradling Thomas, Sir John
Major, Rt Hon John Sumberg, David
Malins, Humfrey Summerson, Hugo
Mans, Keith Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Maples, John Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Marland, Paul Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Marlow, Tony Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Marshall, John (Hendon S) Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Martin, David (Portsmouth S) Thorne, Neil
Maude, Hon Francis Thornton, Malcolm
Mawhinney, Dr Brian Thurnham, Peter
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Townend, John (Bridlington)
Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) Wells, Bowen
Tracey, Richard Wheeler, John
Tredinnick, David Whitney, Ray
Trippier, David Widdecombe, Ann
Trotter, Neville Wilkinson, John
Twinn, Dr Ian Wilshire, David
Vaughan, Sir Gerard Wolfson, Mark
Viggers, Peter Wood, Timothy
Waddington, Rt Hon David Woodcock, Mike
Wakeham, Rt Hon John Yeo, Tim
Waldegrave, Hon William Young, Sir George (Acton)
Walden, George Younger, Rt Hon George
Waller, Gary
Ward, John Tellers for the Ayes:
Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) Mr. Robert Boscawen and Mr. Alan Howarth.
Watts, John
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane Evans, John (St Helens N)
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E)
Allen, Graham Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)
Anderson, Donald Fatchett, Derek
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Faulds, Andrew
Armstrong, Hilary Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Fisher, Mark
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Flannery, Martin
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Flynn, Paul
Barron, Kevin Foot, Rt Hon Michael
Battle, John Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S)
Beckett, Margaret Foster, Derek
Beggs, Roy Foulkes, George
Beith, A. J. Fraser, John
Bell, Stuart Fyfe, Maria
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Galbraith, Sam
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) Galloway, George
Bermingham, Gerald Garrett, John (Norwich South)
Bidwell, Sydney Garrett, Ted (Wallsend)
Blair, Tony George, Bruce
Boateng, Paul Godman, Dr Norman A.
Boyes, Roland Gould, Bryan
Bradley, Keith Graham, Thomas
Bray, Dr Jeremy Grant, Bernie (Tottenham)
Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Buchan, Norman Grocott, Bruce
Buckley, George J. Hardy, Peter
Caborn, Richard Harman, Ms Harriet
Callaghan, Jim Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy
Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) Haynes, Frank
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Healey, Rt Hon Denis
Cartwright, John Henderson, Doug
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Hinchliffe, David
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)
Clay, Bob Holland, Stuart
Clelland, David Home Robertson, John
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Hood, Jimmy
Cohen, Harry Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Hughes, John (Coventry NE)
Cook, Robin (Livingston) Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Corbett, Robin Hughes, Roy (Newport E)
Corbyn, Jeremy Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S)
Cousins, Jim Hughes, Simon (Southward)
Cox, Tom Illsley, Eric
Cryer, Bob Janner, Greville
Cummings, John John, Brynmor
Cunliffe, Lawrence Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Dalyell, Tam Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)
Darling, Alistair Kennedy, Charles
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) Kirkwood, Archy
Dewar, Donald Lambie, David
Dixon, Don Lamond, James
Dobson, Frank Leighton, Ron
Doran, Frank Lestor, Joan (Eccles)
Douglas, Dick Lewis, Terry
Duffy, A. E. P. Litherland, Robert
Dunnachie, Jimmy Livsey, Richard
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Eastham, Ken Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Loyden, Eddie Redmond, Martin
McAlhon, John Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn
McAvoy, Thomas Reid, Dr John
McCartney, Ian Richardson, Jo
McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
McKelvey, William Robertson, George
McLeish, Henry Rogers, Allan
McNamara, Kevin Rooker, Jeff
McTaggart, Bob Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
McWilliam, John Rowlands, Ted
Madden, Max Ruddock, Joan
Maginnis, Ken Salmond, Alex
Mahon, Mrs Alice Sedgemore, Brian
Marek, Dr John Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Short, Clare
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Skinner, Dennis
Martin, Michael J (Springburn) Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
Maxton, John Smith, C (Isl'ton & F'bury)
Meacher, Michael Smith, Rt Hon J (Monk'ds E)
Meale, Alan Soley, Clive
Michael, Alun Spearing, Nigel
Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) Steinberg, Gerry
Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Strang, Gavin
Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Molyneaux, Rt Hon James Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Morgan, Rhodri Turner, Dennis
Morley, Elliott Vaz, Keith
Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) Wall, Pat
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) Walley, Joan
Mullin, Chris Warden, Gareth (Gower)
Murphy, Paul Waremg, Robert N
Nellist, Dave Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon Williams, Rt Hon Alan
O'Brien, William Wilson, Brian
O'Neill, Martin Winnick, David
Parry, Robert Wise, Mrs Audrey
Patchett, Terry Worthington, Tony
Pike, Peter L Wray, Jimmy
Powell, Ray (Ogmore) Young, David (Bolton SE)
Prescott, John
Primarolo, Dawn Tellers for the Noes:
Quin, Ms Joyce Mrs Llin Golding and Mr Adam Ingram.
Radice, Giles

Question agreed to.

Lords amendment No. 300 disagreed to.

Question put, That this House doth disagree with i he Lords in their amendment No. 302:—

The House divided: Ayes 288, Noes 205.

Division No. 435] [10.29 pm
AYES
Aitken, Jonathan Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard
Alexander, Richard Brandon-Bravo, Martin
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Brazier, Julian
Amos, Alan Bright, Graham
Arbuthnot, James Brittan, Rt Hon Leon
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Brooke, Rt Hon Peter
Ashby, David Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's)
Atkins, Robert Browne, John (Winchester)
Atkinson, David Bruce, Ian (Dorset South)
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Buck, Sir Antony
Baldry, Tony Burt, Alistair
Batiste, Spencer Butcher, John
Bellingham, Henry Butler, Chris
Bendall, Vivian Butterfill, John
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) Carlisle, John, (Luton N)
Bevan, David Gilroy Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Carrington, Matthew
Blackburn, Dr John G. Cash, William
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Channon, Rt Hon Paul
Body, Sir Richard Chapman, Sydney
Boswell, Tim Chope, Christopher
Bottomley, Peter Churchill, Mr
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)
Bowis, John Colvin, Michael
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes Conway, Derek
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Jones, Robert B (Harts W)
Cope, Rt Hon John Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Couchman, James Key, Robert
Cran, James Kilfedder, James
Currie, Mrs Edwina King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Curry, David King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater)
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) Kirkhope, Timothy
Davis, David (Boothferry) Knapman, Roger
Day, Stephen Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Devlin, Tim Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Dicks, Terry Knowles, Michael
Dorrell, Stephen Lamont, Rt Hon Norman
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Lang, Ian
Dover, Den Latham, Michael
Dunn, Bob Lawrence, Ivan
Durant, Tony Lee, John (Pendle)
Emery, Sir Peter Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Evennett, David Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Fallon, Michael Lightbown, David
Farr, Sir John Lilley, Peter
Favell, Tony Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Fenner, Dame Peggy Lord, Michael
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Luce, Rt Hon Richard
Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey Lyell, Sir Nicholas
Fishburn, John Dudley McCrindle, Robert
Fookes, Miss Janet Macfarlane, Sir Neil
Forman, Nigel MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Forth, Eric Maclean, David
Fox, Sir Marcus McLoughlin, Patrick
Franks, Cecil McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael
Freeman, Roger McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)
French, Douglas Madel, David
Fry, Peter Major, Rt Hon John
Gale, Roger Malins, Humfrey
Gardiner, George Mans, Keith
Garel-Jones, Tristan Maples, John
Gill, Christopher Marland, Paul
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Marlow, Tony
Gorman, Mrs Teresa Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Gorst, John Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Gow, Ian Maude, Hon Francis
Gower, Sir Raymond Mawhinney, Dr Brian
Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Mellor, David
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Miller, Sir Hal
Gregory, Conal Mills, Iain
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Grist, Ian Mitchell, David (Hants NW)
Ground, Patrick Moate, Roger
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn Monro, Sir Hector
Hanley, Jeremy Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Hannam, John Moore, Rt Hon John
Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester)
Harris, David Moss, Malcolm
Haselhurst, Alan Moynihan, Hon Colin
Hawkins, Christopher Mudd, David
Hayes, Jerry Neale, Gerrard
Hayward, Robert Nelson, Anthony
Heathcoat-Amory, David Neubert, Michael
Heddle, John Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) Nicholls, Patrick
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Hill, James Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Hind, Kenneth Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) Oppenheim, Phillip
Holt, Richard Page, Richard
Howard, Michael Paice, James
Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) Patnick, Irvine
Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) Patten, Chris (Bath)
Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) Pawsey, James
Hunt, David (Wirral W) Porter, David (Waveney)
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Portillo, Michael
Hunter, Andrew Powell, William (Corby)
Irving, Charles Price, Sir David
Jack, Michael Raison, Rt Hon Timothy
Janman, Tim Redwood, John
Jessel, Toby Rhodes James, Robert
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Riddick, Graham
Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Ridsdale, Sir Julian Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm Thorne, Neil
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) Thornton, Malcolm
Roe, Mrs Marion Thurnham, Peter
Rossi, Sir Hugh Townend, John (Bridlington)
Rost, Peter Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Rowe, Andrew Tracey, Richard
Rumbold, Mrs Angela Tredinnick, David
Ryder, Richard Trippier, David
Sackville, Hon Tom Trotter, Neville
Sainsbury, Hon Tim Twinn, Dr Ian
Sayeed, Jonathan Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Shaw, David (Dover) Viggers, Peter
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) Waddington, Rt Hon David
Shelton, William (Streatham) Waldegrave, Hon William
Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) Walden, George
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Waller, Gary
Sims, Roger Ward, John
Skeet, Sir Trevor Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) Watts, John
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) Wells, Bowen
Soames, Hon Nicholas Wheeler, John
Speed, Keith Whitney, Ray
Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) Widdecombe, Ann
Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) Wilkinson, John
Stanbrook, Ivor Wilshire, David
Stanley, Rt Hon John Winterton, Nicholas
Stern, Michael Wolfson, Mark
Stevens, Lewis Wood, Timothy
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Woodcock, Mike
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Yeo, Tim
Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N) Young, Sir George (Acton)
Stradling Thomas, Sir John Younger, Rt Hon George
Sumberg, David
Summerson, Hugo Tellers for the Ayes:
Taylor, Ian (Esher) Mr. Robert Boscawen and Mr. Alan Howarth.
Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane Cohen, Harry
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Cook, Frank (Stockton N)
Allen, Graham Corbett, Robin
Anderson, Donald Corbyn, Jeremy
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Cousins, Jim
Armstrong, Hilary Cox, Tom
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Cryer, Bob
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Cummings, John
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Dalyell, Tam
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Darling, Alistair
Barron, Kevin Davies, Ron (Caerphilly)
Battle, John Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l)
Beckett, Margaret Dewar, Donald
Beggs, Roy Dixon, Don
Beith, A. J. Dobson, Frank
Bell, Stuart Doran, Frank
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Douglas, Dick
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) Duffy, A. E. P.
Bermingham, Gerald Dunnachie, Jimmy
Bidwell, Sydney Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth
Blair, Tony Eastham, Ken
Boateng, Paul Evans, John (St Helens N)
Boyes, Roland Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E)
Bradley, Keith Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)
Bray, Dr Jeremy Fatchett, Derek
Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) Faulds, Andrew
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Buchan, Norman Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n)
Buckley, George J. Fisher, Mark
Caborn, Richard Flannery, Martin
Callaghan, Jim Flynn, Paul
Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) Foot, Rt Hon Michael
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S)
Cartwright, John Foster, Derek
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Foulkes, George
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Fraser, John
Clay, Bob Fyfe, Maria
Clelland, David Galbraith, Sam
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Galloway, George
Garrett, John (Norwich South) Michael, Alun
Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
George, Bruce Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Godman, Dr Norman A. Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Gould, Bryan Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Graham, Thomas Molyneaux, Rt Hon James
Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) Morgan, Rhodri
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) Morley, Elliott
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Grocott, Bruce Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Hardy, Peter Mullin, Chris
Harman, Ms Harriet Murphy, Paul
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Nellist, Dave
Haynes, Frank Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Healey, Rt Hon Denis O'Brien, William
Henderson, Doug O'Neill, Martin
Hinchliffe, David Parry, Robert
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) Patchett, Terry
Holland, Stuart Pike, Peter L.
Home Robertson, John Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Hood, Jimmy Prescott, John
Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) Primarolo, Dawn
Hughes, John (Coventry NE) Quin, Ms Joyce
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Radice, Giles
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Redmond, Martin
Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Reid, Dr John
Illsley, Eric Richardson, Jo
Ingram, Adam Robertson, George
Janner, Greville Rogers, Allan
John, Brynmor Rooker, Jeff
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) Rowlands, Ted
Kennedy, Charles Ruddock, Joan
Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil Salmond, Alex
Kirkwood, Archy Sedgemore, Brian
Lambie, David Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Lamond, James Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Leighton, Ron Short, Clare
Lestor, Joan (Eccles) Skinner, Dennis
Lewis, Terry Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
Litherland, Robert Smith, C. (Isl'ton & Fbury)
Livsey, Richard Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E)
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) Spearing, Nigel
Lofthouse, Geoffrey Steinberg, Gerry
Loyden, Eddie Strang, Gavin
McAllion, John Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
McAvoy, Thomas Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
McCartney, Ian Turner, Dennis
McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) Vaz, Keith
McKelvey, William Wall, Pat
McLeish, Henry Walley, Joan
McNamara, Kevin Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
McTaggart, Bob Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
McWilliam, John Williams, Rt Hon Alan
Madden, Max Wilson, Brian
Maginnis, Ken Winnick, David
Mahon, Mrs Alice Wise, Mrs Audrey
Marek, Dr John Worthington, Tony
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Wray, Jimmy
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Young, David (Bolton SE)
Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Maxton, John Tellers for the Noes:
Meacher, Michael Mrs. Llin Golding and Mr. Robert N. Wareing.
Meale, Alan

Question agreed to.

Lords amendment No. 302 accordingly disagreed to.

Question put, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in their amendment No. 303:—

The House divided: Ayes 287, Noes 205.

Division No. 436] [10.43 pm
AYES
Aitken, Jonathan Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)
Alexander, Richard Ashby, David
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Atkins, Robert
Amos, Alan Atkinson, David
Arbuthnot, James Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)
Baldry, Tony Gale, Roger
Batiste, Spencer Gardiner, George
Bellingham, Henry Garel-Jones, Tristan
Bendall, Vivian Gill, Christopher
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Bevan, David Gilroy Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Gorst, John
Blackburn, Dr John G. Gow, Ian
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Gower, Sir Raymond
Body, Sir Richard Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)
Boscawen, Hon Robert Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Boswell, Tim Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Bottomley, Peter Gregory, Conal
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) Grist, Ian
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Ground, Patrick
Bowis, John Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard Hanley, Jeremy
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Hannam, John
Brazier, Julian Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Bright, Graham Harris, David
Brittan, Rt Hon Leon Haselhurst, Alan
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Hawkins, Christopher
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) Hayes, Jerry
Browne, John (Winchester) Hayward, Robert
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) Heathcoat-Amory, David
Buck, Sir Antony Heddle, John
Burt, Alistair Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Butcher, John Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Butler, Chris Hill, James
Butterfill, John Hind, Kenneth
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Carrington, Matthew Holt, Richard
Cash, William Howard, Michael
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Howarth, G. (Cannock S B'wd)
Chapman, Sydney Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Chope, Christopher Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Churchill, Mr Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Hunter, Andrew
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Irving, Charles
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) Jack, Michael
Colvin, Michael Jackson, Robert
Conway, Derek Janman, Tim
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Jessel, Toby
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Cope, Rt Hon John Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Couchman, James Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Cran, James Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Currie, Mrs Edwina Key, Robert
Curry, David Kilfedder, James
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Davis, David (Boothferry) King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwatgr)
Day, Stephen Kirkhope, Timothy
Devlin, Tim Knapman, Roger
Dicks, Terry Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Dorrell, Stephen Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Knowles, Michael
Dover, Den Lamont, Rt Hon Norman
Dunn, Bob Lang, Ian
Durant, Tony Latham, Michael
Emery, Sir Peter Lawrence, Ivan
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) Lee, John (Pendle)
Evennett, David Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Fallon, Michael Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Farr, Sir John Lightbown, David
Favell, Tony Lilley, Peter
Fenner, Dame Peggy Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Lord, Michael
Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey Luce, Rt Hon Richard
Fishburn, Dudley Lyell, Sir Nicholas
Fookes, Miss Janet McCrindle, Robert
Forman, Nigel Macfarlane, Sir Neil
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Forth, Eric MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)
Fox, Sir Marcus Maclean, David
Franks, Cecil McLoughlin, Patrick
Freeman, Roger McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael
French, Douglas McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)
Fry, Peter Madel, David
Major, Rt Hon John Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Malins, Humfrey Sims, Roger
Mans, Keith Skeet, Sir Trevor
Maples, John Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Marland, Paul Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Marlow, Tony Soames, Hon Nicholas
Marshall, John (Hendon S) Speed, Keith
Martin, David (Portsmouth S) Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)
Maude, Hon Francis Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Mawhinney, Dr Brian Stanbrook, Ivor
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Stanley, Rt Hon John
Mellor, David Stern, Michael
Miller, Sir Hal Stevens, Lewis
Mills, Iain Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) Stewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Mitchell, David (Hants NW) Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N)
Moate, Roger Stradling Thomas, Sir John
Monro, Sir Hector Sumberg, David
Montgomery, Sir Fergus Summerson, Hugo
Moore, Rt Hon John Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Moss, Malcolm Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Moynihan, Hon Colin Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Mudd, David Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Neale, Gerrard Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Nelson, Anthony Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N
Neubert, Michael Thorne, Neil
Newton, Rt Hon Tony Thornton, Malcolm
Nicholls, Patrick Thurnham, Peter
Nicholson, David (Taunton) Townend, John (Bridlington)
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley Tracey, Richard
Oppenheim, Phillip Tredinnick, David
Page, Richard Trippier, David
Paice, James Trotter, Neville
Patnick, Irvine Twinn, Dr Ian
Patten, Chris (Bath) Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Pawsey, James Viggers, Peter
Porter, David (Waveney) Waddington, Rt Hon David
Portillo, Michael Waldegrave, Hon William
Powell, William (Corby) Walden, George
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Waller, Gary
Redwood, John Ward, John
Rhodes James, Robert Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Riddick, Graham Watts, John
Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas Wells, Bowen
Ridsdale, Sir Julian Wheeler, John
Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm Whitney, Ray
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) Widdecombe, Ann
Roe, Mrs Marion Wilkinson, John
Rossi, Sir Hugh Wilshire, David
Rost, Peter Wolfson, Mark
Rowe, Andrew Wood, Timothy
Rumbold, Mrs Angela Woodcock, Mike
Sackville, Hon Tom Yeo, Tim
Sainsbury, Hon Tim Young, Sir George (Acton)
Sayeed, Jonathan Younger, Rt Hon George
Scott, Nicholas
Shaw, David (Dover) Tellers for the Ayes:
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) Mr. Richard Ryder and Mr. Alan Howarth.
Shelton, William (Streatham)
Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish)
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Bermingham, Gerald
Allen, Graham Bidwell, Sydney
Anderson, Donald Blair, Tony
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Boateng, Paul
Armstrong, Hilary Boyes, Roland
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Bradley, Keith
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Bray, Dr Jeremy
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E)
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith)
Barron, Kevin Buchan, Norman
Battle, John Buckley, George J.
Beckett, Margaret Caborn, Richard
Beggs, Roy Callaghan, Jim
Beith, A. J. Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley)
Bell, Stuart Campbell-Savours, D. N.
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Cartwright, John
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Lamond, James
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Leighton, Ron
Clay, Bob Lestor, Joan (Eccles)
Clelland, David Lewis, Terry
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Litherland, Robert
Cohen, Harry Livsey, Richard
Coleman, Donald Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Corbett, Robin Loyden, Eddie
Corbyn, Jeremy McAllion, John
Cousins, Jim McAvoy, Thomas
Cox, Tom McCartney, Ian
Cryer, Bob McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Cummings, John McKelvey, William
Dalyell, Tam McLeish, Henry
Darling, Alistair McNamara, Kevin
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) McTaggart, Bob
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) McWilliam, John
Dewar, Donald Madden, Max
Dixon, Don Maginnis, Ken
Dobson, Frank Mahon, Mrs Alice
Doran, Frank Marek, Dr John
Douglas, Dick Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Duffy, A. E. P. Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Dunnachie, Jimmy Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth Maxton, John
Eastham, Ken Meacher, Michael
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) Meale, Alan
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) Michael, Alun
Fatchett, Derek Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Faulds, Andrew Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Fisher, Mark Molyneaux, Rt Hon James
Flannery, Martin Morgan, Rhodri
Flynn, Paul Morley, Elliott
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S) Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Foster, Derek Mullin, Chris
Foulkes, George Murphy, Paul
Fraser, John Nellist, Dave
Fyfe, Maria Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Galbraith, Sam O'Brien, William
Galloway, George O'Neill, Martin
Garrett, John (Norwich South) Parry, Robert
Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) Patchett, Terry
George, Bruce Pike, Peter L.
Godman, Dr Norman A. Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Graham, Thomas Prescott, John
Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) Primarolo, Dawn
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) Quin, Ms Joyce
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Radice, Giles
Grocott, Bruce Redmond, Martin
Hardy, Peter Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn
Harman, Ms Harriet Reid, Dr John
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Richardson, Jo
Haynes, Frank Robertson, George
Healey, Rt Hon Denis Rogers, Allan
Heffer, Eric S. Rooker, Jeff
Henderson, Doug Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Hinchliffe, David Rowlands, Ted
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) Ruddock, Joan
Holland, Stuart Salmond, Alex
Home Robertson, John Sedgemore, Brian
Hood, Jimmy Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Hughes, John (Coventry NE) Short, Clare
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Skinner, Dennis
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E)
Illsley, Eric Soley, Clive
Ingram, Adam Spearing, Nigel
John, Brynmor Steinberg, Gerry
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) Strang, Gavin
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Kennedy, Charles Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil Turner, Dennis
Kirkwood, Archy Vaz, Keith
Lambie, David Wall, Pat
Wallace, James Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Walley, Joan Wilson, Brian
Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) Winnick, David
Williams, Rt Hon Alan Wise, Mrs Audrey
Worthington, Tony Tellers for the Noes:
Wray, Jimmy Mrs. Llin Golding and Mr. Robert N. Wareing.
Young, David (Bolton SE)

Question agreed to.

Lords amendment No. 303 accordingly disagreed to.

Lords amendment No. 304 disagreed to.

Lords amendments Nos. 89 to 91, 278, 281, 283, 284, 92 to 114, 292, 293, 115 to 117, 294, 118, 119, 139, 142, 182, 183,296 to 299,301, 305 to 311,313 to 316, 319 to 321, 324 and 327 agreed to. [Special Entry.]

Lords amendments Nos. 279, 280, 282, 285 to 291, 120 to 138, 140, 141, 143 to 170, 172 to 181, 184, 185, 295, 312, 317, 318, 322, 323, 325, 326 and 328 to 334 agreed to.

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