§ Question again proposed, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
§ Mr. SpeakerBefore the Minister rises again, I call for quietness, so that he may be heard.
Mr. MitchellBritish Rail tells me that its planned 20 freight trains a day in each direction equate to 1,000 38-tonne lorries a day off our roads. As one who cares deeply about the environment and our countryside, I think that that is something we can all look forward to with considerable satisfaction. I join my hon. Friend the Member for Ashford in appealing to people to stop knocking British Rail. It is certainly putting its back into trying to achieve success here.
The Kent association of exporters says——
§ Mr. Robert HughesBefore the Minister leaves the questions that I put to him, will he reply to the point about the golden share?
Mr. MitchellI intend to reply to a number of other points that the hon. Gentleman made.
The Kent association of exporters, representing over 80 companies engaged in manufacture and goods handling, has welcomed the Channel tunnel as a major way of stimulating Britain's export potential, and it expects a major increase in exports from Kent.
The hon. Member for Aberdeen, North asked about the golden share. This is a complex issue of company law. No decision has been taken yet, and we are examining the possibilities with Eurotunnel. When a decision is taken, I shall bring it to the House.
The hon. Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Ross) made a robust and honest speech as the official spokesman on transport for the Liberal party. He gave his unrepentant support for the Channel tunnel. I note that he laid it baldly on the line that he would take the same view as the Government if he were in government. [Interruption.] I hope that he will convey that view to the Liberal 1186 spokesman in the constituency of my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Mr. Howard), who, as always, is in his place.
My hon. Friend the Member for Harwich (Sir J. Ridsdale) made some technical points, about which I shall write to him.
My hon. Friend the Member for Bexhill and Battle (Mr. Wardle) made a series of local points affecting Folkestone. [Interruption.] I shall write to him and to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe. I recognise that this is another example of my hon. and learned Friend's ingenuity in raising points in the House on behalf of his constituents. [Interruption.]
My right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Dover (Mr. Rees) made, as always, a valuable contribution to our debates and stressed the need for clear competition. He assured the House that the ferry operators can hold their own. [Interruption.]
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. These are very important matters.
Mr. MitchellMy right hon. and learned Friend assured the House that the ferry operators can hold their own, but only if competition is fair, and I agree with him. I think that he will be interested in the speech of the right hon. Member for Lewisham, Deptford (Mr. Silkin), who dwelt on the attraction of hovercrafts and ferries and drew attention to the advantages that the ferries will have because of the long rest periods required for long distance lorry drivers, which make the ferries particularly attractive. There will be ferry work in the future as well as the tunnel work.
§ Mr. SilkinI know that this is difficult for the hon. Gentleman to grasp, but I was saying that the advantage of the ferries would disappear if they were wiped out by the competition of the tunnel, which is what I imagine will happen.
Mr. MitchellIt is interesting to note how both sides in this competitive endeavour are frightened of the competition. Both sides see the other as having an advantage. That leaves me with the suspicion that there will be a fair balance of competition between them.
My right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Dover, asked me some specific questions. He asked whether the money resolution would give covert financial aid to the Channel tunnel operators. I can give him an absolute assurance that it does not do so. He asked for an assurance on their being no faltering in the intention to complete the A20 extension into Dover. I can give him that assurance. The only reason why that is not included in the Bill is the uncertainty of the route between the GEC factory and the old battlements at the entrance to Dover, and some other local controversies. My right hon. and learned Friend asked for a timetable for improvements to the M2/A2. We expect these to be completed by 1991. My hon. Friend the Member for Faversham (Mr. Moate) asked for an assurance that there would be no question of spoil being moved by road. We had 65 options as to where spoil could go. We have whittled that down to 10, and in doing so we have taken out every one of the proposals that involved moving spoil by road. I hope that my hon. Friend will feel encouraged by that.
I was asked about the Tourism Act being administered sympathetically in the Dover area. I am meeting Mr. 1187 Duncan Bluck, the chairman of the English Tourist Board next Tuesday, and I shall have in mind the points that have been raised.
§ Mr. Peter ReesI am grateful for the comments in my speech that my hon. Friend has taken up. However, I asked about the movement of shale from Kent.
Mr. MitchellMy right hon. and learned Friend is right. He asked a number of other questions, but the hour is late and some hon. Members are getting restless. No conclusions have yet been reached about shale. We are discussing with the promoters the way in which shale should be moved.
The House was greatly interested in the speech of my hon. Friend the Member for Thanet, South (Mr. Aitken). He referred to many misconceptions, which were illustrated in his article in The Times headed:
How the Chunnel will hit our pockets.My hon. Friend quoted with reproval a recent pamphlet alleging the cost to the public purse, which said:To take only one small example, the Department of Transport is to acquire compulsorily land for the 14-mile stretch of the M20 between Maidstone and Ashford not yet built. This it is thought, will cost £60 million.My hon. Friend is under a misapprehension in thinking that £60 million will be spent because of the Channel tunnel. It would have been spent anyway, because by the end of the century double the present number of people will be going through the ports of Kent, and extra roads would have been required anyway. Therefore, my hon. Friend is under a misconception.My hon. Friend also talked about British Rail's expenditure of £400 million, which he says will come from the Exchequer. It will not. It is all fully commercial, and it is because of that, and because it will make a profit, that British Rail is being given the go ahead.
§ Mr. Stuart HollandIs the expenditure of £60 million on Waterloo station to be private or public money?
Mr. MitchellI was about to deal with the speech of the hon. Member for Vauxhall (Mr. Holland), if I can make myself heard above the comments of his hon. Friends sitting around him.
My hon. Friend the Member for Thanet, North (Mr. Gale) mystifies me. I listened to his speech with considerable interest. He praises the French for spending money on infrastructure in north-east France, and regards that as right, but he attacks the British Government for proposing to do something similar in Kent. The hour is late, so on the question of safety I shall say only that my hon. Friend need have no concern.
I understand the concerns of the hon. Member for Vauxhall. If he wishes to invite me to come and see the problem on the spot, I shall be happy to accept the invitation.
The hon. Member for Warley, West (Mr. Faulds) put on his great act. He attacked the Government for the lack of jobs, and then proceeded to oppose an infrastructure project that will create jobs.
My hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch (Mr. Adley) called for wider use of British Rail routes round London, and I take on board the points that he raised.
I return to the rhetorical question raised by the right hon. Member for Lewisham, Deptford: is there any need 1188 for this project? There is a need, not just for the jobs that will be created now, but because of the much better position in which it will put British exporters in the future. Not only will our business community and travellers be able to move more safely, but our goods will be able to get into the export markets of Europe more cheaply, more competitively and more quickly than they have been able to do so far.
Future generations will not only look back on tonight as a historic occasion, but will ask themselves why the hell we did not do it before.
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 146, Noes 317.
1191| Division No. 206] | [10.14 pm |
| AYES | |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | George, Bruce |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Godman, Dr Norman |
| Ashton, Joe | Gould, Bryan |
| Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) | Hamilton, James (M'well N) |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Hamilton, W. W. (Fife Central) |
| Barnett, Guy | Hancock, Michael |
| Barron, Kevin | Harman, Ms Harriet |
| Beckett, Mrs Margaret | Harrison, Rt Hon Walter |
| Bell, Stuart | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Healey, Rt Hon Denis |
| Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh) | Heffer, Eric S. |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall) |
| Blair, Anthony | Hughes, Dr Mark (Durham) |
| Boyes, Roland | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) | Hughes, Roy (Newport East) |
| Buchan, Norman | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Caborn, Richard | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
| Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) | Kilroy-Silk, Robert |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Canavan, Dennis | Lewis, Terence (Worsley) |
| Clarke, Thomas | Litherland, Robert |
| Clay, Robert | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
| Clelland, David Gordon | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | McDonald, Dr Oonagh |
| Cohen, Harry | McKelvey, William |
| Conlan, Bernard | MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton North) | McNamara, Kevin |
| Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) | McTaggart, Robert |
| Corbett, Robin | McWilliam, John |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Madden, Max |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Marek, Dr John |
| Craigen, J. M. | Martin, Michael |
| Crowther, Stan | Maxton, John |
| Cunningham, Dr John | Maynard, Miss Joan |
| Dalyell, Tam | Meacher, Michael |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (L'lli) | Michie, William |
| Davies, Ronald (Caerphilly) | Mikardo, Ian |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce |
| Deakins, Eric | Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) |
| Dewar, Donald | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
| Dixon, Donald | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Dobson, Frank | Nellist, David |
| Dormand, Jack | Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon |
| Douglas, Dick | O'Brien, William |
| Dubs, Alfred | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G. | Park, George |
| Eastham, Ken | Patchett, Terry |
| Evans, John (St. Helens N) | Pendry, Tom |
| Fatchett, Derek | Pike, Peter |
| Faulds, Andrew | Randall, Stuart |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | Raynsford, Nick |
| Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) | Redmond, Martin |
| Fisher, Mark | Richardson, Ms Jo |
| Flannery, Martin | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Roberts, Ernest (Hackney N) |
| Forrester, John | Robinson, G. (Coventry NW) |
| Foster, Derek | Rogers, Allan |
| Foulkes, George | Rooker, J. W. |
| Fraser, J. (Norwood) | Ross, Ernest (Dundee W) |
| Rowlands, Ted | Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen) |
| Ryman, John | Thompson, J. (Wansbeck) |
| Sedgemore, Brian | Tinn, James |
| Shore, Rt Hon Peter | Torney, Tom |
| Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood) | Warden, Gareth (Gower) |
| Silkin, Rt Hon J. | Weetch, Ken |
| Skinner, Dennis | Welsh, Michael |
| Smith, C.(Isl'ton S & F'bury) | Williams, Rt Hon A. |
| Snape, Peter | Winnick, David |
| Soley, Clive | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Spearing, Nigel | |
| Stott, Roger | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Strang, Gavin | Mr. Frank Haynes and |
| Straw, Jack | Mr. Allen McKay. |
| NOES | |
| Adley, Robert | Coombs, Simon |
| Alexander, Richard | Cope, John |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Cranborne, Viscount |
| Alton, David | Critchley, Julian |
| Amery, Rt Hon Julian | Crouch, David |
| Amess, David | Currie, Mrs Edwina |
| Ancram, Michael | Dickens, Geoffrey |
| Arnold, Tom | Dorrell, Stephen |
| Ashby, David | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. |
| Ashdown, Paddy | du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Dunn, Robert |
| Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. | Durant, Tony |
| Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) | Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke) |
| Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) | Eggar, Tim |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y) | Evennett, David |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Eyre, Sir Reginald |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Fallon, Michael |
| Batiste, Spencer | Favell, Anthony |
| Bellingham, Henry | Fenner, Mrs Peggy |
| Bendall, Vivian | Fletcher, Alexander |
| Benyon, William | Fookes, Miss Janet |
| Best, Keith | Forman, Nigel |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Forth, Eric |
| Blackburn, John | Fowler, Rt Hon Norman |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Fox, Marcus |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Franks, Cecil |
| Bottomley, Peter | Fraser, Peter (Angus East) |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Freeman, Roger |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) | Freud, Clement |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Galley, Roy |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde) |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Bright, Graham | Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian |
| Brinton, Tim | Glyn, Dr Alan |
| Brittan, Rt Hon Leon | Goodhart, Sir Philip |
| Brooke, Hon Peter | Gow, Ian |
| Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) | Grant, Sir Anthony |
| Browne, John | Greenway, Harry |
| Bruinvels, Peter | Gregory, Conal |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N) |
| Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. | Grist, Ian |
| Budgen, Nick | Ground, Patrick |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Grylls, Michael |
| Burt, Alistair | Gummer, Rt Hon John S |
| Butcher, John | Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) |
| Butler, Rt Hon Sir Adam | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Butterfill, John | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Carlisle, John (Luton N) | Hannam, John |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hargreaves, Kenneth |
| Carlisle, Rt Hon M. (W'ton S) | Harris, David |
| Cartwright, John | Haselhurst Alan |
| Cash, William | Hawkins, C. (High Peak) |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Hawksley, Warren |
| Chapman, Sydney | Hayes, J. |
| Chope, Christopher | Hayhoe, Rt Hon Barney |
| Churchill, W. S. | Hayward, Robert |
| Clark, Hon A. (Plym'th S'n) | Heath, Rt Hon Edward |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Henderson, Barry |
| Clegg, Sir Walter | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Cockeram, Eric | Hickmet, Richard |
| Colvin, Michael | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Conway, Derek | Hind, Kenneth |
| Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) | Nelson, Anthony |
| Holt, Richard | Newton, Tony |
| Hordern, Sir Peter | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Howard, Michael | Norris, Steven |
| Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) | Onslow, Cranley |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S. |
| Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N) | Osborn, Sir John |
| Hubbard-Miles, Peter | Page, Richard (Herts SW) |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Patten, Christopher (Bath) |
| Hunt, David (Wirral W) | Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abgdn) |
| Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Pattie, Geoffrey |
| Hunter, Andrew | Pawsey, James |
| Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas | Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian |
| Irving, Charles | Pollock, Alexander |
| Jackson, Robert | Portillo, Michael |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick | Powell, William (Corby) |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Powley, John |
| Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg |
| Jones, Robert (Herts W) | Price, Sir David |
| Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Prior, Rt Hon James |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Proctor, K. Harvey |
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Pym, Rt Hon Francis |
| Kennedy, Charles | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Kershaw, Sir Anthony | Rathbone, Tim |
| Key, Robert | Renton, Tim |
| King, Roger (B'ham N'field) | Rhodes James, Robert |
| King, Rt Hon Tom | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Knight, Greg (Derby N) | Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas |
| Knowles, Michael | Ridsdale, Sir Julian |
| Knox, David | Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm |
| Lamont, Norman | Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) |
| Lang, Ian | Robinson, Mark (N'port W) |
| Latham, Michael | Roe, Mrs Marion |
| Lawler, Geoffrey | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Rossi, Sir Hugh |
| Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel | Rowe, Andrew |
| Lee, John (Pendle) | Rumbold, Mrs Angela |
| Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) | Ryder, Richard |
| Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Sackville, Hon Thomas |
| Lester, Jim | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy |
| Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd) | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon N. |
| Lilley, Peter | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Lloyd, Ian (Havant) | Scott, Nicholas |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) |
| Lord, Michael | Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') |
| Luce, Rt Hon Richard | Shelton, William (Streatharn) |
| Lyell, Nicholas | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| McCrindle, Robert | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| McCurley, Mrs Anna | Shersby, Michael |
| Macfarlane, Neil | Sims, Roger |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury) | Speed, Keith |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st) | Speller, Tony |
| McQuarrie, Albert | Spencer, Derek |
| Madel, David | Spicer, Jim (Dorset W) |
| Major, John | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Malins, Humfrey | Squire, Robin |
| Malone, Gerald | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Maples, John | Stanley, Rt Hon John |
| Marlow, Antony | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Steen, Anthony |
| Mates, Michael | Stern, Michael |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton) |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood) |
| Mayhew, Sir Patrick | Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N) |
| Mellor, David | Sumberg, David |
| Merchant, Piers | Taylor, John (Solihull) |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Miller, Hal (B'grove) | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Mills, lain (Meriden) | Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M. |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Thomas, Rt Hon Peter |
| Mitchell, David (Hants NW) | Thompson, Donald (Calder V) |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N) |
| Moore, Rt Hon John | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes) | Thurnham, Peter |
| Moynihan, Hon C. | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Neale, Gerrard | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Needham, Richard | Tracey, Richard |
| Twinn, Dr Ian | Wheeler, John |
| Vaughan, Sir Gerard | Whitfield, John |
| Viggers, Peter | Whitney, Raymond |
| Waddington, David | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Wakeham, Rt Hon John | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Walden, George | Wolfson, Mark |
| Walker, Bill (T'side N) | Wood, Timothy |
| Walker, Rt Hon P. (W'cester) | Woodcock, Michael |
| Wall, Sir Patrick | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Wallace, James | Yeo, Tim |
| Waller, Gary | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Walters, Dennis | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Wardle, C. (Bexhill) | |
| Warren, Kenneth | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Watson, John | Mr. Carol Mather and |
| Watts, John | Mr. Robert Boscawen. |
| Wells, Bowen (Hertford) |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Main Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 41 (Amendment on Second or Third Reading.)
§ The House divided:— Ayes 309, Noes 44.
1194| Division No. 207] | [10.25 pm |
| AYES | |
| Adley, Robert | Chapman, Sydney |
| Alexander, Richard | Chope, Christopher |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Churchill, W. S. |
| Alton, David | Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) |
| Amery, Rt Hon Julian | Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) |
| Amess, David | Clegg, Sir Walter |
| Ancram, Michael | Cockeram, Eric |
| Arnold, Tom | Colvin, Michael |
| Ashby, David | Conway, Derek |
| Ashdown, Paddy | Coombs, Simon |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Cope, John |
| Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. | Cranborne, Viscount |
| Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) | Crouch, David |
| Atkinson, David (B'rn'th E) | Currie, Mrs Edwina |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y) | Dickens, Geoffrey |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Dorrell, Stephen |
| Batiste, Spencer | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. |
| Bellingham, Henry | du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward |
| Bendall, Vivian | Dunn, Robert |
| Benyon, William | Durant, Tony |
| Best, Keith | Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke) |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Eggar, Tim |
| Blackburn, John | Evennett, David |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Eyre, Sir Reginald |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Fallon, Michael |
| Bottomley, Peter | Fenner, Mrs Peggy |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Fletcher, Alexander |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) | Fookes, Miss Janet |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Forman, Nigel |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Forth, Eric |
| Bright, Graham | Fowler, Rt Hon Norman |
| Brinton, Tim | Fox, Marcus |
| Brittan, Rt Hon Leon | Franks, Cecil |
| Brooke, Hon Peter | Fraser, Peter (Angus East) |
| Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) | Freeman, Roger |
| Browne, John | Freud, Clement |
| Bruce, Malcolm | Galley, Roy |
| Bruinvels, Peter | Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde) |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. | Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian |
| Budgen, Nick | Glyn, Dr Alan |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Goodhart, Sir Philip |
| Burt, Alistair | Gow, Ian |
| Butcher, John | Gower, Sir Raymond |
| Butler, Rt Hon Sir Adam | Grant, Sir Anthony |
| Butterfill, John | Greenway, Harry |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Gregory, Conal |
| Carlisle, John (Luton N) | Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N) |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Grist, Ian |
| Carlisle, Rt Hon M. (W'ton S) | Ground, Patrick |
| Cartwright, John | Grylls, Michael |
| Cash, William | Gummer, Rt Hon John S |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) |
| Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Mayhew, Sir Patrick |
| Hannam, John | Mellor, David |
| Hargreaves, Kenneth | Merchant, Piers |
| Harris, David | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Miller, Hal (B'grove) |
| Hawkins, C. (High Peak) | Mills, lain (Meriden) |
| Hawksley, Warren | Miscampbell, Norman |
| Hayes, J. | Mitchell, David (Hants NW) |
| Hayhoe, Rt Hon Barney | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Hayward, Robert | Moore, Rt Hon John |
| Heath, Rt Hon Edward | Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes) |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Moynihan, Hon C. |
| Henderson, Barry | Neale, Gerrard |
| Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael | Nelson, Anthony |
| Hickmet, Richard | Newton, Tony |
| Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Hind, Kenneth | Norris, Steven |
| Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) | Onslow, Cranley |
| Holt, Richard | Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S. |
| Hordern, Sir Peter | Osborn, Sir John |
| Howard, Michael | Page, Richard (Herts SW) |
| Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) | Patten, Christopher (Bath) |
| Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N) | Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abgdn) |
| Hubbard-Miles, Peter | Pattie, Geoffrey |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Pawsey, James |
| Hunt, David (Wirral W) | Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian |
| Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Pollock, Alexander |
| Hunter, Andrew | Portillo, Michael |
| Irving, Charles | Powell, William (Corby) |
| Jackson, Robert | Powley, John |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Price, Sir David |
| Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) | Proctor, K. Harvey |
| Jones, Robert (Herts W) | Pym, Rt Hon Francis |
| Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Rathbone, Tim |
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Renton, Tim |
| Kennedy, Charles | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Kershaw, Sir Anthony | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Key, Robert | Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas |
| King, Roger (B'ham N'field) | Ridsdale, Sir Julian |
| Knight, Greg (Derby N) | Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm |
| Knowles, Michael | Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) |
| Knox, David | Robinson, Mark (N'port W) |
| Lamont, Norman | Roe, Mrs Marion |
| Lang, Ian | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Latham, Michael | Rossi, Sir Hugh |
| Lawler, Geoffrey | Rowe, Andrew |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Rumbold, Mrs Angela |
| Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel | Ryder, Richard |
| Lee, John (Pendle) | Sackville, Hon Thomas |
| Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy |
| Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon N. |
| Lester, Jim | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd) | Scott, Nicholas |
| Lilley, Peter | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) |
| Lloyd, Ian (Havant) | Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Lord, Michael | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Luce, Rt Hon Richard | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| Lyell, Nicholas | Shersby, Michael |
| McCrindle, Robert | Sims, Roger |
| McCurley, Mrs Anna | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Macfarlane, Neil | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) | Speed, Keith |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Speller, Tony |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury) | Spencer, Derek |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st) | Spicer, Jim (Dorset W) |
| McQuarrie, Albert | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Madel, David | Squire, Robin |
| Major, John | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Malins, Humfrey | Stanley, Rt Hon John |
| Malone, Gerald | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Maples, John | Steen, Anthony |
| Marlow, Antony | Stern, Michael |
| Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton) |
| Mates, Michael | Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood) |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N) |
| Sumberg, David | Walters, Dennis |
| Taylor, John (Solihull) | Wardle, C. (Bexhill) |
| Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman | Warren, Kenneth |
| Temple-Morris, Peter | Watson, John |
| Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M. | Watts, John |
| Thomas, Rt Hon Peter | Wells, Bowen (Hertford) |
| Thompson, Donald (Calder V) | Wheeler, John |
| Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N) | Whitfield, John |
| Thornton, Malcolm | Whitney, Raymond |
| Thurnham, Peter | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Townend, John (Bridlington) | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) | Wolfson, Mark |
| Tracey, Richard | Wood, Timothy |
| Twinn, Dr Ian | Woodcock, Michael |
| Vaughan, Sir Gerard | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Viggers, Peter | Yeo, Tim |
| Waddington, David | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Wakeham, Rt Hon John | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Walden, George | |
| Walker, Bill (T'side N) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Wall, Sir Patrick | Mr. Carol Mather and |
| Wallace, James | Mr. Robert Boscawen. |
| Waller, Gary |
| NOES | |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Clelland, David Gordon |
| Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) | Cohen, Harry |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Corbyn, Jeremy |
| Beckett, Mrs Margaret | Cormack, Patrick |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Cox, Thomas (Tooting) |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Craigen, J. M. |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Crowther, Stan |
| Canavan, Dennis | Deakins, Eric |
| Clay, Robert | Douglas, Dick |
| Eastham, Ken | Nellist, David |
| Farr, Sir John | Pike, Peter |
| Faulds, Andrew | Rees, Rt Hon Peter (Dover) |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Godman, Dr Norman | Silkin, Rt Hon J. |
| Hancock, Michael | Skinner, Dennis |
| Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Spearing, Nigel |
| Lewis, Terence (Worsley) | Strang, Gavin |
| Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| McNamara, Kevin | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Madden, Max | |
| Maynard, Miss Joan | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Mikardo, Ian | Mr. Roger Gale and |
| Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Mr. Roger Moate. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Bill read a Second time.
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