HC Deb 10 December 1985 vol 88 cc853-8

Queen's recommendation having been signified—Motion made, and Question proposed That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Gas Bill ("the Act"), it is expedient to authorize—

(1) the payment out of money provided by Parliament of the following, namely—

  1. (a) the remuneration of, and any travelling or other allowances payable under the Act to, the Director General of Gas Supply and any staff of the Director, any sums payable under the Act to or in respect of the Director and any expenses duly incurred by the Director or by any of his staff in consequence of the provisions of the Act;
  2. (b)any sums required by the Secretary of State for defraying or contributing towards the expenses of the Gas Users' Council established under the Act;
  3. (c) the remuneration of, and any allowances or pensions payable under the Act to or in respect of, persons appointed—
    1. (i) to carry out tests of apparatus and equipment provided and maintained by persons supplying gas through pipes;
    2. (ii)to carry out tests of gas supplied through pipes; or
    3. (iii) to examine and stamp, or authorise the stamping of, meters used for ascertaining the quantity of gas so supplied;
  4. (d) any sums payable by the Secretary of State to the chairman and officers of the National Gas Consurners' Council and the chairmen and officers of the Regional Gas Consumers' Councils by way of compensation for loss of office or employment or loss or diminution of remuneration or pension rights;
  5. (e) any expenses incurred by the Treasury or the Secretary of State in acquiring securities of the successor company (within the meaning of the Act) or rights to subscribe for any such securities;
  6. (f) any administrative expenses incurred by the Secretary of State in consequence of the provisions of the Act;
  7. (g) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of money so provided under any other Act;

(2) the charging on and payment out of the National Loans fund of any sums which, by virtue of the Act—

  1. (a) payable under section 12 of the National Loans Act 1968 in respect of interest or redemption money on British Gas Stock; or
  2. (b) are payable under section 5 of the Miscellaneous Financial Provisions Act 1955 in respect of unclaimed interest or redemption money on such Stock;

(3) the payment out of the Consolidated Fund of any increase attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of that Fund under any other Act. —[Mr. Boscawen.]

Question put:

The House divided: Ayes 282, Noes 202.

Division No. 22] [10.30 pm
AYES
Alexander, Richard Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Brandon-Bravo, Martin
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Bright, Graham
Amess, David Brinton, Tim
Ancram, Michael Brooke, Hon Peter
Arnold, Tom Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes)
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Bruinvels, Peter
Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) Bryan, Sir Paul
Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A.
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Budgen, Nick
Baldry, Tony Bulmer, Esmond
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Butler, Rt Hon Adam
Bellingham, Henry Butterfill, John
Benyon, William Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)
Best, Keith Carlisle, Rt Hon M. (W'ton S)
Bevan, David Gilroy Carttiss, Michael
Biffen, Rt Hon John Cash, William
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Chalker, Mrs Lynda
Blackburn, John Chapman, Sydney
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Chope, Christopher
Body, Richard Churchill, W. S.
Boscawen, Hon Robert Clark, Hon A. (Plym'th S'n)
Bottomley, Peter Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Clegg, Sir Walter
Colvin, Michael Hunter, Andrew
Conway, Derek Irving, Charles
Coombs, Simon Jackson, Robert
Cope, John Jessel, Toby
Corrie, John Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Crouch, David Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Currie, Mrs Edwina Jones, Robert (Herts W)
Dickens, Geoffrey Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith
Dicks, Terry Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine
Dorrell, Stephen Kershaw, Sir Anthony
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. King, Roger (B'ham N'field)
Dover, Den Knight, Greg (Derby N)
du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Dunn, Robert Knowles, Michael
Durant, Tony Knox, David
Dykes, Hugh Lamont, Norman
Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke) Lang, Ian
Emery, Sir Peter Latham, Michael
Evennett, David Lawrence, Ivan
Eyre, Sir Reginald Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Fallon, Michael Lester, Jim
Farr, Sir John Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd)
Favell, Anthony Lightbown, David
Fenner, Mrs Peggy Lilley, Peter
Fletcher, Alexander Lloyd, Ian (Havant)
Fookes, Miss Janet Lloyd, Peter, (Fareham)
Forman, Nigel Lord, Michael
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Luce, Richard
Forth, Eric McCrindle, Robert
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman McCurley, Mrs Anna
Fox, Marcus MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Franks, Cecil MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire)
Fraser, Peter (Angus East) MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute)
Fry, Peter Maclean, David John
Garel-Jones, Tristan McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury)
Glyn, Dr Alan McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st)
Goodhart, Sir Philip McQuarrie, Albert
Goodlad, Alastair Madel, David
Gow, Ian Major, John
Gower, Sir Raymond Malins, Humfrey
Grant, Sir Anthony Malone, Gerald
Greenway, Harry Maples, John
Gregory, Conal Marland, Paul
Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N) Marlow, Antony
Grist, Ian Marshall, Michael (Arundel)
Ground, Patrick Mather, Carol
Grylls, Michael Mawhinney, Dr Brian
Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Mellor, David
Hampson, Dr Keith Merchant, Piers
Hanley, Jeremy Miller, Hal (B'grove)
Hannam, John Mills, lain (Meriden)
Harris, David Miscampbell, Norman
Harvey, Robert Mitchell, David (Hants NW)
Haselhurst, Alan Moate, Roger
Hawkins, C. (High Peak) Monro, Sir Hector
Hawkins, Sir Paul (N'folk SW) Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Hawksley, Warren Moore, John
Hayes, J. Morris, M. (N'hampton, S)
Hayhoe, Rt Hon Barney Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes)
Hayward, Robert Morrison, Hon P. (Chester)
Heath, Rt Hon Edward Moynihan, Hon C.
Henderson, Barry Mudd, David
Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael Murphy, Christopher
Hickmet, Richard Neale, Gerrard
Hicks, Robert Neubert, Michael
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Newton, Tony
Hind, Kenneth Nicholls, Patrick
Hirst, Michael Norris, Steven
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) Oppenheim, Phillip
Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling) Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S.
Holt, Richard Osborn, Sir John
Hordern, Sir Peter Ottaway, Richard
Howard, Michael Page, Sir John (Harrow W)
Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) Page, Richard (Herts SW)
Howell, Rt Hon D. (G'ldford) Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil
Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N) Parris, Matthew
Hubbard-Miles, Peter Patten, Christopher (Bath)
Hunt, David (Wirral) Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abdgn)
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Pawsey, James
Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian Stradling Thomas, Sir John
Pollock, Alexander Sumberg, David
Portillo, Michael Taylor, John (Solihull)
Powell, William (Corby) Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M.
Powley, John Thomas, Rt Hon Peter
Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Thompson, Donald (Calder V)
Price, Sir David Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Proctor, K. Harvey Thorne, Neil (llford S)
Pym, Rt Hon Francis Thurnham, Peter
Raffan, Keith Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Tracey, Richard
Rathbone, Tim Trippier, David
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Twinn, Dr Ian
Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas Viggers, Peter
Ridsdale, Sir Julian Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Rifkind, Malcolm Waldegrave, Hon William
Roe, Mrs Marion Walker, Bill (T'side N)
Rossi, Sir Hugh Walker, Rt Hon P. (W'cester)
Rost, Peter Wall, Sir Patrick
Rumbold, Mrs Angela Waller, Gary
Ryder, Richard Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Sackville, Hon Thomas Warren, Kenneth
Sainsbury, Hon Timothy Watson, John
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) Watts, John
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Wells, Bowen (Hertford)
Shersby, Michael Wells, Sir John (Maidstone)
Silvester, Fred Whitfield, John
Skeet, T. H. H. Wiggin, Jerry
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) Wilkinson, John
Speed, Keith Winterton, Mrs Ann
Spence, John Wood, Timothy
Spencer, Derek Woodcock, Michael
Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) Yeo, Tim
Stern, Michael
Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton) Tellers for the Ayes:
Stevens, Martin (Fulham) Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd and
Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood) Mr. Francis Maude.
NOES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Conlan, Bernard
Alton, David Cook, Robin F. (Livingston)
Anderson, Donald Corbett, Robin
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Corbyn, Jeremy
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Cox, Thomas (Tooting)
Ashton, Joe Crowther, Stan
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) Cunliffe, Lawrence
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Cunningham, Dr John
Barnett, Guy Dalyell, Tam
Barron, Kevin Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l)
Beckett, Mrs Margaret Deakins, Eric
Beith, A. J. Dewar, Donald
Bell, Stuart Dixon, Donald
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Dobson, Frank
Bennett, A. (Denfn & Red'sh) Dormand, Jack
Bermingham, Gerald Douglas, Dick
Bidwell, Sydney Dubs, Alfred
Blair, Anthony Duffy, A. E. P.
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G.
Boyes, Roland Eadie, Alex
Bray, Dr Jeremy Eastham, Ken
Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E) Evans, John (St. Helens N)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Ewing, Harry
Brown, R. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne N) Fatchett, Derek
Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Bruce, Malcolm Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn)
Caborn, Richard Fisher, Mark
Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) Flannery, Martin
Campbell, Ian Foot, Rt Hon Michael
Campbell-Savours, Dale Forrester, John
Canavan, Dennis Foster, Derek
Carlile, Alexander (Montg'y) Foulkes, George
Carter-Jones, Lewis Fraser, J. (Norwood)
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald
Clarke, Thomas Freud, Clement
Clay, Robert Garrett, W. E.
Clelland, David Gordon George, Bruce
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) Godman, Dr Norman
Cohen, Harry Golding, John
Coleman, Donald Gould, Bryan
Hamilton, James (M'well N) MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Hancock, Mr. Michael McNamara, Kevin
Hardy, Peter McTaggart, Robert
Harman, Ms Harriet McWilliam, John
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Madden, Max
Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Marek, Dr John
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Healey, Rt Hon Denis Martin, Michael
Heffer, Eric S. Maxton, John
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) Maynard, Miss Joan
Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall) Meacher, Michael
Home Robertson, John Meadowcroft, Michael
Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) Michie, William
Howells, Geraint Mikardo, Ian
Hoyle, Douglas Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Hughes, Dr. Mark (Durham) Miller, DrM. S. (E Kilbride)
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Janner, Hon Greville Nellist, David
John, Brynmor Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) O'Brien, William
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald O'Neill, Martin
Kilroy-Silk, Robert Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil Owen, Rt Hon Dr David
Kirkwood, Archy Park, George
Lambie, David Parry, Robert
Lamond, James Patchett, Terry
Leighton, Ronald Pavitt, Laurie
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Penhaligon, David
Lewis, Terence (Worsley) Pike, Peter
Litherland, Robert Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Livsey, Richard Prescott, John
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) Radice, Giles
Lofthouse, Geoffrey Randall, Stuart
McCartney, Hugh Redmond, M.
McDonald, Dr Oonagh Rees, Rt Hon M. (Leeds S)
McGuire, Michael Richardson, Ms Jo
McKay, Allen (Penistone) Roberts, Ernest (Hackney N)
McKelvey, William Robertson, George
Robinson, G. (Coventry NW) Straw, Jack
Rogers, Allan Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Rooker, J. W. Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen)
Ross, Ernest (Dundee W) Thompson, J. (Wansbeck)
Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Thome, Stan (Preston)
Rowlands, Ted Tinn, James
Ryman, John Torney, Tom
Sheerman, Barry Wallace, James
Sheldon, Rt Hon R. Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Shore, Rt Hon Peter Wareing, Robert
Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood) Weetch, Ken
Short, Mrs R. (W'hampt'n NE) Welsh, Michael
Silkin, Rt Hon J. White, James
Skinner, Dennis Williams, Rt Hon A.
Smith, C. (lsl'ton S & F'bury) Wilson, Gordon
Smith, Rt Hon J. (M'kl'ds E) Winnick, David
Snape, Peter Woodall, Alec
Soley, Clive Young, David (Bolton SE)
Spearing, Nigel
Steel, Rt Hon David Tellers for the Noes:
Stott, Roger Mr. Frank Haynes and
Strang, Gavin Mr. Ron Davies.

Question accordingly agreed to.