HC Deb 21 December 1983 vol 51 cc521-5
Mr. Eric S. Helfer

I beg to move amendment No. 45, in page 48, line 28, at end insert— '(2A) Sections 1 to 14 of this Act shall come into force for such local authority areas and on such days as the Secretary of State may by order by statutory instrument appoint when he certifies that in each such area the number of persons seeking to become secure tenants is not substantially greater than the number of dwelling-houses available for letting as secure tenancies.'.

Mr. Speaker

With this it will be convenient to take the following amendments: No. 46, in page 48. line 29, leave out 'subsection (2)' and insert 'subsections (2) and (2A)'.

No. 47, in page 48, line 30, leave out 'two' and insert 'twelve'.

Mr. Heffer

These important amendments provide that clauses 1 to 14 should come into force in a local authority area only when the Secretary of State has certified that no one in the area requires rented property. Despite the claims of Government supporters, the Labour party has never opposed home ownership, but we recognise that thousands of people have no homes and cannot afford to buy so that their best hope of securing accommodation is through the local authority.

As every hon. Member from such an area knows, there are thousands of people on council waiting lists in the large cities. Many people live in overcrowded conditions. Young people have to remain in accommodation with mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles and so on. Families are split up with one child in one place and another somewhere else. Thousands of people live in unfit homes and desperately need decent accommodation. [HON MEMBERS; "Rent-a-mob has arrived".] I appreciate my hon. Friends' support and I intend to ask them to vote for the amendment. [HON. MEMBERS: "Ah!"] I can throw my notes away now.

The amendment boils down to this. No local authority must be allowed to sell its homes until there is no longer anyone on its waiting list. Amendment No. 47 seeks to extend from two months to 12 months the period after which the Act comes into operation. I ask my hon. Friends to support the amendments.

Mr. Simon Hughes

rose—

Mr. Robert Kilroy-Silk (Knowsley, North)

We did not come here to listen to this one.

9.45 pm

Mr. Hughes

I assumed that Labour Members had arrived in force to listen to my speech. I thought that it must be my Christmas bonus.

The Liberal party supports the amendments, although they are second best. It should be up to each local authority to decide whether the right to buy should apply in its area as it is the best judge of whether it has sufficient properties available. The amendment would at least make the Government start looking at the individual needs of local authorities. The same picture does not apply from Cornwall to Northumberland or from Liverpool to London. The sooner the Government realise that imposed centralised legislation, which will force local authorities to sell what would normally be considered their best housing stock and prevent people who are waiting for housing or are in local authority housing from moving to good quality accommodation — as much in small authorities with small amounts of public housing as in those with enormous amounts—the sooner they will be doing a service to public sector tenants and other tenants.

Sadly, the proposals fail. The amendment would improve the measure, although not nearly as democratically as we would wish.

Mr. Gow

The hon. Member for Southwark and Bermondsey (Mr. Hughes), who is the official spokesman of the Liberal party, and is supported by one of his hon. Friends—the hon. Member for Liverpool, Mossley Hill (Mr. Alton)—has confirmed yet again that the Liberal party is in favour both of the tenant's right to buy and of the local authorities' right to refuse to sell. That is the party's characteristic posture.

I am grateful to the hon. Member for Liverpool, Walton (Mr. Heffer) for the way in which he spoke to the amendments. However, they are wholly unacceptable to the Government, and. if I judge the mood of the House correctly, we should vote on them immediately.

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 154. Noes 240.

Division No. 118] [7.55 pm
AYES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E)
Anderson, Donald Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Brown, N. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne E)
Barnett. Guy Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith)
Barron, Kevin Caborn, Richard
Beith, A. J. Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M)
Bell, Stuart Campbell-Savours, Dale
Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh) Clark, Dr David (S Shields)
Bidwell, Sydney Clarke, Thomas Boyes, Roland Clay, Robert
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) Lewis, Terence (Worsley)
Cohen, Harry Litherland, Robert
Coleman, Donald Lloyd, Tony(Stretford)
Concannon, Rt Hon J. D. Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) Loyden, Edward
Corbett, Robin McCartney, Hugh
Corbyn, Jeremy McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Cowans, Harry McKay, Allen (Penistone)
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) McKelvey, William
Craigen, J. M. Maclennan, Robert
Crowther, Stan McNamara, Kevin
Cunliffe, Lawrence McTaggart, Robert
Cunningham, Dr John Madden, Max
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (L'lli) Marek, Dr John
Davies, Ronald (Caerphilly) Martin, Michael
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) Maxton, John
Deakins, Eric Maynard, Miss Joan
Dewar, Donald Meacher, Michael
Dixon, Donald Michie, William
Dobson, Frank Mikardo, Ian
Dormand, Jack Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Douglas, Dick Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Duffy, A. E. P. Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G. Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Eadie, Alex Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Eastham, Ken Nellist, David
Edwards, R. (W'hampt'n SE) O'Brien, William
Evan, loan (Cynon Valley) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Evans, John (St. Helens) Park, George
Fatchett, Derek Pavitt, Laurie
Faulds, Andrew Pike, Peter
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) Prescott, John
Flannery, Martin Randall, Stuart
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Redmond, M.
Foster, Derek Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
Foulkes, George Robertson, George
Fraser. J. (Norwood) Robinson, G. (Coventry NW)
Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Rogers, Allan
George, Bruce Ross, Ernest (Dundee W)
Godman, Dr Norman Rowlands, Ted
Golding, John Sheerman, Barry
Gould, Bryan Sheldon, Rt Hon R.
Hamilton, James (M'well N) Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Hardy, Peter Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood)
Harman, Ms Harriet Silkin, Rt Hon J.
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Skinner, Dennis
Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Smith, C.(lsl'ton S & F'bury)
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Smith, Rt Hon J. (M'kl'ds E)
Haynes, Frank Soley, Clive
Heffer, Eric S. Spearing, Nigel
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) Straw, Jack
Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall) Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen)
Hoyle, Douglas Wainwright, R.
Hughes, Mark (Durham) Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Wareing, Robert
Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) Williams, Rt Hon A.
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Winnick, David
Hume, John Woodall, Alec
John, Brynmor Young, David (Bolton SE)
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Lamond, James Tellers for the Ayes:
Leadbitter, Ted Mr. John Home-Robertson and
Leighton, Ronald Mr. John McWilliam.
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
NOES
Adley, Robert Bellingham, Henry
Aitken, Jonathan Benyon, William
Alexander, Richard Berry, Sir Anthony
Amess, David Best, Keith
Ancram, Michael Bevan, David Gilroy
Arnold, Tom Biffen, Rt Hon John
Ashby, David Biggs-Davison, Sir John
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) Body, Richard
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) Bonsor, Sir Nicholas
Baldry, Anthony Boscawen, Hon Robert
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Bottomley, Peter
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Holt, Richard
Bright, Graham Hooson, Tom
Brooke, Hon Peter Hordern, Peter
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) Howarth, Alan (Stratf'd-on-A)
Bruinvels, Peter Howarth, Gerald (Cannock)
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. Hubbard-Miles, Peter
Budgen, Nick Hunt, David (Wirral)
Bulmer, Esmond Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)
Burt, Alistair Hunter, Andrew
Butler, Hon Adam Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas
Butterfill, John Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Jessel, Toby
Chapman, Sydney Johnson-Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Chope, Christopher Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Clark, Hon A. (Plym'th S'n) Jones, Robert (W Herts)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine
Clarke Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Key, Robert
Clegg, Sir Walter King, Roger (B'ham N'field)
Cockeram, Eric Knight, Gregory (Derby N)
Conway, Derek Lamont, Norman
Coombs, Simon Lawler, Geoffrey
Cope, John Lawrence, Ivan
Couchman, James Lee, John (Pendle)
Critchley, Julian Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Crouch, David Lester, Jim
Currie, Mrs Edwina Lightbown, David
Dicks, T. Lilley, Peter
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. Lloyd, Ian (Havant)
Dover, Denshore Lyell, Nicholas
du Cann, Rt Hon Edward McCurley, Mrs Anna
Dunn, Robert MacGregor, John
Durant, Tony MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire)
Dykes, Hugh MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute)
Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke) Maclean, David John.
Eggar, Tim Macmillan, Rt Hon M.
Eyre, Reginald McQuarrie, Albert
Favell, Anthony Major, John
Fenner, Mrs Peggy Malins, Humfrey
Finsberg, Geoffrey Miller, Hal (B'grove)
Fletcher, Alexander Morris, M. (N'hampton, S)
Fookes, Miss Janet Moynihan, Hon C.
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Murphy, Christopher
Forth, Eric Normanton, Tom
Fraser, Peter (Angus East) Onslow, Cranley
Freeman, Roger Page, John (Harrow W)
Gale, Roger Parris, Matthew
Galley, Roy Patten, Christopher (Bath)
Gardiner, George (Reigate) Patten, John (Oxford)
Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde) Pawsey, James
Glyn, Dr Alan Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Goodhart, Sir Philip Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Goodlad, Alastair Pollock, Alexander
Gow, Ian Porter, Barry
Gower, Sir Raymond Powley, John
Grant, Sir Anthony Pym, Rt Hon Francis
Greenway, Harry Raffan, Keith
Gregory, Conal Renton, Tim
Griffiths, E. (B'y St Edm'ds) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N) Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas
Ground, Patrick Ridsdale, Sir Julian
Grylls, Michael Rifkind, Malcolm
Gummer, John Selwyn Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Roe, Mrs Marion
Hanley, Jeremy Rossi, Sir Hugh
Hargreaves, Kenneth Rumbold, Mrs Angela
Harris, David Ryder, Richard
Harvey, Robert Sackville, Hon Thomas
Hawkins, C. (High Peak) Sayeed, Jonathan
Hawkins, Sir Paul (SW N'folk) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Hawksley, Warren Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Hayes, J. Shelton, William (Streatham)
Hayhoe, Barney Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Hayward, Robert Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
Heddle, John Shersby, Michael
Henderson, Barry Silvester, Fred
Hickmet, Richard Sims, Roger
Skeet, T. H. H. Twinn, Dr Ian
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) van Straubenzee, Sir W.
Soames, Hon Nicholas Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Speed, Keith Viggers, Peter
Spencer, D. Waddington, David
Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Stanbrook, Ivor Waldegrave, Hon William
Stern, Michael Walden, George
Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton) Walker, Bill (T'side N)
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Waller, Gary
Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood) Ward, John
Stewart, Ian (N Hertf'dshire) Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Stokes, John Warren, Kenneth
Stradling Thomas, J. Watson, John
Sumberg, David Watts, John
Taylor, Rt Hon John David Wells, Bowen (Hertford)
Taylor, John (Solihull) Whitney, Raymond
Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) Wolfson, Mark
Temple-Morris, Peter Wood, Timothy
Terlezki, Stefan Woodcock, Michael
Thomas, Rt Hon Peter Yeo, Tim
Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N) Young, Sir George (Acton)
Thorne, Neil (Ilford S) Younger, Rt Hon George
Thornton, Malcolm
Thurnham, Peter Tellers for the Noes:
Tracey, Richard Mr. Ian Lang and
Trippier, David Mr. Michael Neubert.
Division No. 119] [9.45 pm
AYES
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald
Alton, David George, Bruce
Anderson, Donald God man, Dr Norman
Archer. Rt Hon Peter Golding, John
Ashton, Joe Gould, Bryan
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) Hamilton, James (M'well N)
Barnett, Guy Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)
Barron, Kevin Hardy, Peter
Beith, A. J. Harman, Ms Harriet
Bell, Stuart Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith
Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh) Haynes, Frank
Bidwell, Sydney Heffer, Eric S.
Blair, Anthony Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)
Boyes, Roland Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall)
Brown, Gordon (armline E) Hoyle, Douglas
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Brown, N. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne E) Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S)
Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Caborn, Richard Hume, John
Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) John, Brynmor
Carlile, Alexander (Montg'y) Kilroy-Silk, Robert
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil
Clarke, Thomas Kirkwood, Archibald
Clay, Robert Lamond, James
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) Leadbitter, Ted
Cohen. Harry Leighton, Ronald
Coleman, Donald Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Concannon, Rt Hon J. D. Lewis, Terence (Worsley)
Cook, Frank (Stockton North) Litherland, Robert
Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Corbett, Robin Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Corbyn, Jeremy Loyden, Edward
Cowans, Harry McCartney, Hugh
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Craigen, J. M. McKay, Allen (Penistone)
Crowther, Stan McKelvey, William
Cunliffe, Lawrence McNamara, Kevin
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (L'lli) McTaggart, Robert
Davies, Ronald (Caerphilly) Madden, Max
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) Marek, Dr John
Deakins, Eric Martin, Michael
Dewar, Donald Maxton, John
Dixon, Donald Maynard, Miss Joan
Dobson, Frank Meacher, Michael
Dormand, Jack Michie, William
Douglas, Dick Mikardo, Ian
Dubs, Alfred Milian, Rt Hon Bruce
Duffy, A. E. P. Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G. Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Eadie, Alex Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Eastham, Ken Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Evans, loan (Cynon Valley) Nellist, David
Evans, John (St. Helens N) O'Brien, William
Fatchett, Derek Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Faulds, Andrew Park, George
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Pavitt, Laurie
Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) Penhaligon, David
Fisher, Mark Pike, Peter
Flannery, Martin Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Foster, Derek Prescott, John
Foulkes, George Radice, Giles
Fraser, J. (Norwood) Redmond, M.
Rees, Rt Hon M. (Leeds S) Strang, Gavin
Roberts, Allan (Bootle) Straw, Jack
Robertson, George Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen)
Robinson, G. (Coventry NW) Tinn, James
Rogers, Allan Torney, Tom
Ross, Ernest (Dundee W) Wainwright, R.
Rowlands, Ted Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Sedgemore, Brian Wareing, Robert
Sheldon, Rt Hon R. Wigley, Dafydd
Shore, Rt Hon Peter Williams, Rt Hon A.
Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood) Winnick, David
Silkin, Rt Hon J. Woodall, Alec
Skinner, Dennis Young, David (Bolton SE)
Smith, C.(Isl'ton S & F'bury)
Smith, Rt Hon J. (M'kl'ds E) Tellers for the Ayes:
Soley, Clive Mr. John Home-Robertson and
Spearing, Nigel Mr. John McWilliam
NOES
Adley, Robert du Cann, Rt Hon Edward
Aitken, Jonathan Dunn, Robert
Alexander, Richard Durant, Tony
Amess, David Dykes, Hugh
Ancram, Michael Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke)
Arnold, Tom Eggar, Tim
Ashby, David Emery, Sir Peter
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Eyre, Reginald
Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) Favell, Anthony
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) Fenner, Mrs Peggy
Baldry, Anthony Finsberg, Geoffrey
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Fletcher, Alexander
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Fookes, Miss Janet
Bellingham, Henry Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Benyon, William Forth, Eric
Berry, Sir Anthony Fowler, Rt Hon Norman
Best, Keith Fraser, Peter (Angus East)
Bevan, David Gilroy Freeman, Roger
Biffen, Rt Hon John Gale, Roger
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Galley, Roy
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde)
Body, Richard Garel-Jones, Tristan
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Glyn, Dr Alan
Boscawen, Hon Robert Goodhart, Sir Philip
Bottomley, Peter Goodlad, Alastair
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) Gow, Ian
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Gower, Sir Raymond
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Grant, Sir Anthony
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Greenway, Harry
Bright, Graham Gregory, Conal
Brittan, Rt Hon Leon Griffiths, E. (B'y St Edm'ds)
Brooke, Hon Peter Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N)
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) Ground, Patrick
Bruinvels, Peter Gummer, John Selwyn
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom)
Budgen, Nick Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Bulmer, Esmond Hanley, Jeremy
Burt, Alistair Hargreaves, Kenneth
Butler, Hon Adam Harris, David
Butterfill, John Harvey, Robert
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hawkins, C. (High Peak)
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Hawkins, Sir Paul (SW' N'folk)
Chapman, Sydney Hawksley, Warren
Chope, Christopher Hayes, J.
Clark, Hon A. (Plym'th S'n) Hayhoe, Barney
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Hayward, Robert
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Heddle, John
Clarke Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Henderson, Barry
Clegg, Sir Walter Hickmet, Richard
Cockeram, Eric Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Conway, Derek Hind, Kenneth
Coombs, Simon Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling)
Cope, John Holt, Richard
Couchman, James Hooson, Tom
Critchley, Julian Hordern, Peter
Crouch, David Howarth, Alan (Straf'rd-on-A)
Currie, Mrs Edwina Howarth, Gerald (Cannock)
Dicks, T. Hubbard-Miles, Peter
Dorrell, Stephen Hunt, David (Wirral)
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)
Dover, Denshore Hunter, Andrew
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas Shersby, Michael
Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick Silvester, Fred
Johnson-Smith, Sir Geoffrey Sims, Roger
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Skeet, T. H. H.
Jones, Robert (W Herts) Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Soames, Hon Nicholas
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Speed, Keith
Key, Robert Spencer, D.
King, Roger (B'ham N'field) Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Knight, Gregory (Derby N) Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Lamont, Norman Squire, Robin
Lang, Ian Stanbrook, Ivor
Lawler, Geoffrey Stern, Michael
Lawrence, Ivan Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Lee, John (Pendle) Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood)
Lester, Jim Stewart. Ian (N Hertf'dshire)
Lightbown, David Stokes, John
Lilley, Peter Stradling Thomas, J.
Lloyd, Ian (Havant) Sumberg, David
McCurley, Mrs Anna Taylor, Rt Hon John David
MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) Taylor, John (Solihull)
MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute) Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Maclean, David John. Temple-Morris, Peter
Macmillan, Rt Hon M. Terlezki, Stefan
McQuarrie, Albert Thomas, Rt Hon Peter
Malins, Humfrey Thompson, Donald (Calder V)
Miller, Hal (B'grove) Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Morris, M. (N'hampton, S) Thorne, Neil (Ilford S)
Moynihan, Hon C. Thornton, Malcolm
Murphy, Christopher Thurnham, Peter
Needham, Richard Tracey, Richard
Neubert, Michael Trippier, David
Newton, Tony Trotter, Neville
Normanton, Tom Twinn, Dr Ian
Onslow, Cranley van Straubenzee, Sir W.
Parris, Matthew Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Patten, Christopher (Bath) Viggers, Peter
Patten, John (Oxford) Waddington, David
Pawsey, James Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian Waldegrave, Hon William
Pollock, Alexander Walden, George
Powley, John Walker, Bill (T'side N)
Raffan, Keith Waller, Gary
Renton, Tim Ward, John
Rhodes James, Robert Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Warren, Kenneth
Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas Watson, John
Ridsdale, Sir Julian Watts, John
Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey Wells, Bowen (Hertford)
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) Whitney, Raymond
Roe, Mrs Marion Wolfson, Mark
Rossi, Sir Hugh Wood, Timothy
Rumbold, Mrs Angela Woodcock, Michael
Sackville, Hon Thomas Yeo, Tim
Sayeed, Jonathan Young, Sir George (Acton)
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) Younger, Rt Hon George
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Shelton, William (Streatham) Tellers for the Noes:
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Mr. Douglas Hogg and
Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) Mr. John Major.

Question accordingly negatived.

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