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Motion made, and Question proposed.
That Sir Humphrey Atkins, Mr. John Cartwright, Mr. Churchill, Mr. Dick Douglas, Mr. Bruce George, Dr. John Gilbert, Mr. Edward Leigh, Mr. Michael Marshall, Mr. Michael Mates, Mr. Keith Speed and Mr. Neil Thorne be members of the Defence Committee.—[Sir Philip Holland, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.]
§ Amendment proposed to the Question, pursuant to the Order [12 December] leave out `Mr. John Cartwright'. —[Mr. Molyneaux.]
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 106, Noes 23.
1133| Division No. 104] | [1.30 am |
| AYES | |
| Ashby, David | Hayward, Robert |
| Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. | Hickmet, Richard |
| Baldry, Anthony | Hind, Kenneth |
| Batiste, Spencer | Hirst, Michael |
| Beggs, Roy | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Best, Keith | Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Home Robertson, John |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) |
| Bottomley, Peter | Hubbard-Miles, Peter |
| Bright, Graham | Hunt, David (Wirral) |
| Burt, Alistair | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Knight, Gregory (Derby N) |
| Carttiss, Michael | Knowles, Michael |
| Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) | Lang, Ian |
| Conway, Derek | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Cope, John | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Couchman, James | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) |
| Cowans, Harry | Lilley, Peter |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Lord, Michael |
| Dixon, Donald | Loyden, Edward |
| Durant, Tony | Lyell, Nicholas |
| Dykes, Hugh | McCusker, Harold |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Macfarlane, Neil |
| Forsythe, Clifford (S Antrim) | McKay, Allen (Penistone) |
| Foulkes, George | MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) |
| Fox, Marcus | Maginnis, Ken |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Major, John |
| Goodlad, Alastair | Malone, Gerald |
| Gorst, John | Marek, Dr John |
| Greenway, Harry | Mather, Carol |
| Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) | Maxton, John |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Harvey, Robert | Miller, Hal (B'grove) |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Molyneaux, Rt Hon James |
| Haynes, Frank | Neubert, Michael |
| Newton, Tony | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Spence, John |
| Nicholson, J. | Spencer, D. |
| Osborn, Sir John | Stern, Michael |
| Page, Richard (Herts SW) | Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton) |
| Paisley, Rev Ian | Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood) |
| Parris, Matthew | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Parry, Robert | Terlezki, Stefan |
| Pawsey, James | Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N) |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Thorne, Neil (Ilford S) |
| Powell, Rt Hon J. E. (S Down) | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) | Wardle, C. (Bexhill) |
| Powley, John | Warren, Kenneth |
| Proctor, K. Harvey | Watts, John |
| Rathbone, Tim | Wood, Timothy |
| Rowe, Andrew | |
| Sainsbury, Hon Timothy | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Mr. William Ross and Rev. Martin Smyth. |
| Skinner, Dennis |
| NOES | |
| Beith, A. J. | Penhaligon, David |
| Bruce, Malcolm | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Carlile, Alexander (Montg'y) | Sims, Roger |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Smith, Rt Hon J. (M'kl'ds E) |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Freud, Clement | van Straubenzee, Sir W. |
| George, Bruce | Wallace, James |
| Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John | Wheeler, John |
| Howells, Geraint | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | |
| Johnston, Russell | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Kirkwood, Archibald | Mr. Michael Meadowcraft and Mr. Charles Kennedy. |
| Maclennan, Robert | |
| Owen, Rt Hon Dr David |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Dr. OwenOn a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Can you help the House? I have no complaints about the conduct of the Division or the vote. However, are you aware of the fact that the Patronage Secretary and the hon. Member for Watford (Mr. Garel-Jones), who is also a Whip, who were in the No Lobby extracting Members of the Conservative party on instructions from the Whip, were heard to say, "No, you are not meant to be in this Lobby"? We have been assured—[Interruption.]
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I shall put the right hon. Member out of his misery. What goes on in either of the Division Lobbies is not a matter for me
§ Mr. BeithOn a further point of order, Mr. Speaker. It is matter of order that the Leader of the House may have given the impression by what he said in his speech that not only he but the Government were taking a neutral view on the matter. He said that he did not intend to vote on the issue and did not believe that it would be right for him to do so—a view, incidentally, which the Chairman of the Committee of Selection also took. I understood that the Leader of the House had said that he would abstain. I assumed from that statement that the Government Whips would not be in the Lobby seeking to deter hon. Members from voting for the motion. The right hon. Gentleman may have mislead the House in what he said, and I therefore ask you, Mr. Speaker, to give him the opportunity to say whether that was so
§ Mr. SkinnerFurther to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. I do not wish to call upon you to intervene, like ACAS, in this matter between the Liberal party and the SDP. We heard from the Leader of the House earlier that 1134 in the allocation of seats the Liberals had managed to get six and the SDP only one I believe that a great row between the two parties is at the bottom of this matter.
§ Further amendment made: after 'Mr. Edward Leigh`, insert 'Mr. Ken Maginnis'. —[Mr. Molyneaux.]
§ Main Question, as amended, agreed to.
§
Ordered,
That Sir Humphrey Atkins, Mr. Churchill, Mr. Dick Douglas, Mr. Bruce George, Dr. John Gilbert, Mr. Edward Leigh, Mr. Ken Maginnis, Mr. Michael Marshall, Mr. Michael Mates, Mr. Keith Speed and Mr. Neil Thome be members of the Defence Committee.