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Motion made, and Question proposed,
That, in the opinion of the House, the limit on the allowance payable to a Member of this House in respect of the aggregate expenses incurred by him for his parliamentary duties as general office expenses, on secretarial assistance and on research assistance should be £4,800 for the year ending 31st March 1980 and £6,750 for any subsequent year.—[Mr. St. John-Ste vas.]
§
Amendment (b) proposed,
to leave out from second 'and' to end and insert '£10,000 for any subsequent year, of which £4,000 shall be spent on research work, described to, and approved by, the Fees Office'.—[Mr. Whitehead.]
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 125, Noes 147.
373| Division No. 212] | AYES | [9.48 pm |
| Alexander, Richard | Forrester, John | O'Neill, Martin |
| Alton, David | Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Ancram, Michael | Freud, Clement | Palmer, Arthur |
| Ashton, Joe | Garrett, John (Norwich S) | Parry, Robert |
| Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) | George, Bruce | Penhallgon, David |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Golding, John | Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) |
| Beith, A. J. | Gorst, John | Prescott, John |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Richardson, Jo |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) |
| Blackburn, John | Hannam, John | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Heffer, Eric S. | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Hogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire) | Robertson, George |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) | Rooker, J. W. |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Home Robertson, John | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S) | Hooley, Frank | Sever, John |
| Buchan, Norman | Horam, John | Sheerman, Barry |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Soley, Clive |
| Canavan, Dennis | Howells, Geraint | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North) | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Cartwright, John | Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) | Stevens, Martin |
| Clark, Dr David (South Shields) | Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Stewart, Rt Hon Donald (W Isles) |
| Cohen, Stanley | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire) |
| Coleman, Donald | Lambie, David | Stott, Roger |
| Cook, Robin F. | Lamond, James | Straw, Jack |
| Crowther, J. S. | Leadbitter, Ted | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West) |
| Cryer, Bob | Leighton, Ronald | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle East) |
| Dalyell, Tam | Litherland, Robert | Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen) |
| Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Lyon, Alexander (York) | Tilley, John |
| Dewar, Donald | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Tinn, James |
| Dixon, Donald | McElhone, Frank | Trippier, David |
| Dobson, Frank | McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley) |
| Dykes, Hugh | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire) |
| Eadie, Alex | Maclennan, Robert | Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage) |
| Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire) | McNally, Thomas | White, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe) |
| Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) | Marshall, David (Gl'sgow, Shettles'n) | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee East) |
| English, Michael | Martin, Michael (Gl'gow Springb'rn) | Winnick, David |
| Ewing, Harry | Maxton, John | Woolmer, Kenneth |
| Field, Frank | Maynard, Miss Joan | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Flannery, Martin | Mikardo, Ian | |
| Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) | Morton, George | TELLERS FOR THE AYES |
| Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Neale, Gerrard | Mr. Alfred Dubs and |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Ogden, Eric | Mr. Reg Race. |
| NOES | ||
| Arnold, Tom | Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | Eyre, Reginald |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | Fairbairn, Nicholas |
| Bendall, Vivian | Channon, Paul | Fisher, Sir Nigel |
| Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) | Chapman, Sydney | Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Churchill, W. S. | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles |
| Best, Keith | Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) | Fookes, Miss Janet |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Forman, Nigel |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Clegg, Sir Walter | Fraser, Peter (South Angus) |
| Bradford, Rev. R. | Cockeram, Eric | Gardiner, George (Reigate) |
| Bright, Graham | Cope, John | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Brinton, Tim | Cormack, Patrick | Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian |
| Brittan, Leon | Corrie, John | Goodhart, Philip |
| Brooke, Hon Peter | Costain, A. P. | Goodhew, Victor |
| Brotherton, Michael | Dean, Paul (North Somerset) | Gow, Ian |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg a Sc'thorpe) | Dorrell, Stephen | Gower, Sir Raymond |
| Butcher, John | Dunn, Robert (Dartford) | Gray, Hamish |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Durant, Tony | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Grimond, Rt Hon J. | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman |
| Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Scott, Nicholas |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch) | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Hawkins, Paul | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Silvester, Fred |
| Hawksley, Warren | Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) | Sims, Roger |
| Hayhoe, Barney | Molyneaux, James | Spearing, Nigel |
| Heddle, John | Moore, John | Speller, Tony |
| Henderson, Barry | Morris, Michael (Northampton, Sth) | Spence, John |
| Hooson, Tom | Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) | Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire) |
| Hunt, David (Wirral) | Mudd, David | Sproat, Iain |
| Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Myles, David | Stainton, Keith |
| Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Needham, Richard | Stanley, John |
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Nelson, Anthony | Stoddart, David |
| Kilfedder, James A. | Neubert, Michael | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| King, Rt Hon Tom | Newton, Tony | Tebbit, Norman |
| Knight, Mrs Jill | Nott, Rt Hon John | Thompson, Donald |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Osborn, John | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Lawson, Nigel | Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham | Waddington, David |
| Le Marchant, Spencer | Page, Richard (SW Hertfordshire) | Wakeham, John |
| Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Parkinson, Cecil | Waller, Gary |
| Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) | Patten, Christopher (Bath) | Ward, John |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Percival, Sir Ian | Warren, Kenneth |
| Lyell, Nicholas | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down) | Watson, John |
| McCrindle, Robert | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Wheeler, John |
| Macfarlane, Neil | Prior, Rt Hon James | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| MacKay, John (Argyll) | Rathbone, Tim | Whitney, Raymond |
| McNair-Wilson, Michael (Newbury) | Renton, Tim | Wickenden, Keith |
| Marlow, Tony | Rifkind, Malcolm | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester South) | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Marten, Neil (Banbury) | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | |
| Mather, Carol | Ross, Wm. (Londonderry) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Maude, Rt Hon Angus | Rost, Peter | Lord James Douglas-Hamilton and |
| Mawby, Ray | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy | Mr. John McGregor. |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Mr. SpeakerDoes the hon. Member for Battersea, South (Mr. Dubs) wish to move amendments (c) and (d)?
§ Mr. SpeakerDoes the hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed (Mr. Beith) wish to move amendment (i)?
§
Amendment (i) proposed,
At end of motion add 'and that a further sum not exceeding £675 per annum shall be available in respect of each Member solely for the purpose of payments into an approved scheme to provide pensions for a person or persons paid by him out of the allowances referred to above.'.—[Mr. Beith.]
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 177, Noes 115.
375| Division No. 213] | AYES | [10.00 pm |
| Alexander, Richard | Crowther, J. S. | Garrett, John (Norwich S) |
| Alton, David | Cryer, Bob | George, Bruce |
| Ancram, Michael | Cunningham, George (Islington S) | Gorst, John |
| Ashton, Joe | Dalyell, Tam | Greenway, Harry |
| Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) | Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | Grimond, Rt Hon J. |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Deakins, Eric | Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) |
| Bendall, Vivian | Dewar, Donald | Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Dixon, Donald | Hannam, John |
| Best, Keith | Dobson, Frank | Heddle, John |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Dormand, Jack | Heffer, Eric S. |
| Blackburn, John | Dorrell, Stephen | Hogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire) |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Dubs, Alfred | Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Home Robertson, John |
| Bottomley, Peter (Woolwich West) | Durant, Tony | Hooley, Frank |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Dykes, Hugh | Horam, John |
| Bright, Graham | Eadie, Alex | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Eggar, Timothy | Howells, Geraint |
| Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S) | Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire) | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North) |
| Buchan, Norman | Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) |
| Bulmer, Esmond | English, Michael | Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Ewing, Harry | Jones, Barry (East Flint) |
| Canavan, Dennis | Field, Frank | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
| Carlisle, John (Luton West) | Flannery, Martin | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) | Lambie, David |
| Cartwright, John | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Lamond, James |
| Churchill, W. S. | Fookes, Miss Janet | Lang, Ian |
| Clark, Dr David (South Shields) | Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) | Forrester, John | Lee, John |
| Cohen, Stanley | Foulkes, George | Leighton, Ronald |
| Coleman, Donald | Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald | Litherland, Robert |
| Cook, Robin F. | Freud, Clement | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Lyell, Nicholas | Prescott, John | Straw, Jack |
| Lyon, Alexander (York) | Race, Reg | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West) |
| McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South) | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle East) |
| McElhone, Frank | Rhodes James, Robert | Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen) |
| McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Thompson, Donald |
| McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Richardson, Jo | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Maclennan, Robert | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Tilley, John |
| McNally, Thomas | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) | Tinn, James |
| Marshall, David (Gl'sgow, Shettles'n) | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | Trippier, David |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester South) | Robertson, George | Trotter, Neville |
| Martin, Michael (Gl'gow Springb'rn) | Rooker, J. W. | Varley, Rt Hon Eric G. |
| Maxton, John | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) | Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley) |
| Maynard, Miss Joan | Scott, Nicholas | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Mikardo, Ian | Sever, John | Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire) |
| Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) | Ward, John |
| Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch) | Sheerman, Barry | Watson, John |
| Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L) | Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage) |
| Morton, George | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) | White, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe) |
| Myles, David | Smith, Rt Hon J. (North Lanarkshire) | Whitehead, Phillip |
| Neale, Gerrard | Soley, Clive | Wickenden, Keith |
| Needham, Richard | Spearing, Nigel | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee East) |
| Ogden, Eric | Spriggs, Leslie | Winnick, David |
| O'Neill, Martin | Steel, Rt Hon David | Woolmer, Kenneth |
| Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | Stevens, Martin | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Page, Richard (SW Hertfordshire) | Stewart, Rt Hon Donald (W Isles) | |
| Palmer, Arthur | Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES |
| Parry, Robert | Stoddart, David | Mr. A. J. Beith and |
| Penhaligon, David | Stott, Roger | Mr. Tristan Garel-Jones. |
| Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) | ||
| NOES | ||
| Arnold, Tom | Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St Edmunds) | Nott, Rt Hon John |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Osborn, John |
| Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) | Hampson, Dr Keith | Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Hawkins, Paul | Parkinson, Cecil |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Hawksley, Warren | Patten, Christopher (Bath) |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Hayhoe, Barney | Percival, Sir Ian |
| Bradford, Rev. R. | Hooson, Tom | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down) |
| Brinton, Tim | Hunt, David (Wirral) | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg |
| Brittan, Leon | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Prior, Rt Hon James |
| Brotherton, Michael | Kershaw, Anthony | Rathbone, Tim |
| Budgen, Nick | Kilfedder, James A. | Renton, Tim |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | King, Rt Hon Tom | Rifkind, Malcolm |
| Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | Knight, Mrs Jill | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | Lawrence, Ivan | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Channon, Paul | Lawson, Nigel | Ross, Wm. (Londonderry) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Le Marchant, Spencer | Rossi, Hugh |
| Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) | Silvester, Fred |
| Clegg, Sir Walter | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Sims, Roger |
| Cockeram, Eric | McCrindle, Robert | Speller, Tony |
| Cope, John | Macfarlane, Nell | Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire) |
| Cormack, Patrick | MacGregor, John | Sproat, Iain |
| Corrie, John | MacKay, John (Argyll) | Stanley, John |
| Costain, A. P. | McNair-Wilson, Michael (Newbury) | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Marlow, Tony | Tebbit, Norman |
| Dunn, Robert (Dartford) | Marten, Neil (Banbury) | Thorne, Neil (Ilford South) |
| Eyre, Reginald | Mather, Carol | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Fairbairn, Nicholas | Maude, Rt Hon Angus | Wakeham, John |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | Mawby, Ray | Waller, Gary |
| Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Warren, Kenneth |
| Forman, Nigel | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Wheeler, John |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Moate, Roger | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| Fraser, Peter (South Angus) | Molyneaux, James | Whitney, Raymond |
| Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian | Moore, John | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | Morris, Michael (Northampton, Sth) | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Goodhart, Philip | Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) | |
| Goodhew, Victor | Mudd, David | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Gow, Ian | Nelson, Anthony | Mr. David Waddington and |
| Gower, Sir Raymond | Neubert, Michael | Mr. Peter Brooke. |
| Gray, Hamish | Newton, Tony |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Main Question as amended, put and agreed to.
§
Resolved,
That, in the opinion of this House, the limit on the allowance payable to a Member of this House in respect of the aggregate expenses incurred by him for his parliamentary duties
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as general office expenses, on secretarial assistance and on research assistance should be £4,800 for the year ending 31st March 1980 and £6,750 for any subsequent year, and that a further sum not exceeding £675 per annum shall be available in respect of each Member solely for the purpose of payments into an approved scheme to provide pensions for a person or persons paid by him out of the allowances referred to above.