§ Question again proposed, That the amendment be made.
§ Mrs. Knightrose in her place and claimed to move. That the Question be now put.
§ Question put, That the Question be now put:—
§ The House having proceeded to a Division, and Mr. James Pawsey and Mr. Ivan Lawrence having been appointed Tellers for the Ayes and Miss Jo Richardson and Mr. David Stoddart Tellers for the Noes:—
§ Mr. David Stoddart(seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I have just left the Aye Lobby because there was a certain disorder as a result of an hon. Member forcing his way past the Tellers into the Lobby through the exit door. I immediately asked that the voting be stopped, and most hon. Members were prepared to accept that. However, other hon. Members forced their way through the door in spite of the fact that I declared that,
§ in my view, the Division was not being conducted in a proper manner. I should like your ruling, Mr. Speaker.
§ Mr. SpeakerThe hon. Gentleman, who has been here a long time, knows that if there is a complaint about a Division it must come formally from the Tellers.
It has been intimated to me that the Tellers wish to make a report. There is no purpose in continuing with the present Division, since I must have a report from the Tellers. Two of the Tellers are here. If the other Tellers will come to the Table so that all are present, I shall hear the complaint.
§ The Tellers having come to the Table—
§ Mr. Ivan LawrenceI have to report. Mr. Speaker, a disagreement among the Tellers.
§ Mr. SpeakerIn view of the disagreement among the Tellers, I shall call the Division again.
§ Whereupon MR. SPEAKER directed the House to proceed again to a Division:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 100, Noes 77.
763| Division No.32] | AYES | [10.20 p.m. |
| Alexander, Richard | Fairgrieve, Russell | Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) |
| Arnold, Tom | Fenner, Mrs Peggy | Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Murphy, Christopher |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Fookes, Miss Janet | Myles, David |
| Atkins, Robert (Preston North) | Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Needham, Richard |
| Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Fry, Peter | Normanton, Tom |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) |
| Best, Keith | Garel-Jones, Tristan | Patten, Christopher (Bath) |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Goodlad, Alastair | Patten, John (Oxford) |
| Blackburn, John | Gow, Ian | Proctor, K. Harvey |
| Blaker, Peter | Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) | Renton, Tim |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Gray, Hamish | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills) |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Hawksley, Warren | Shersby, Michael |
| Braine, Sir Bernard | Hooson, Tom | Smith, Dudley (War, and Leam'ton) |
| Bright, Graham | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Speller, Tony |
| Brittan, Leon | Kershaw, Anthony | Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire) |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe) | Knight, Mrs Jill | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Langford-Holt, Sir John | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Budgen, Nick | Le Marchant, Spencer | Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S) |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Thompson, Donald |
| Butcher, John | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Thorne, Neil (Ilford South) |
| Cadbury, Jocelyn | Lyell, Nicholas | Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexleyheath) |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | McCrindle, Robert | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | McCusker, H. | Waddington, David |
| Channon, Paul | MacGregor, John | Wakeham, John |
| Chapman, Sydney | Mackay, John (Argyll) | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Clark, William (Croydon South) | Mates, Michael | Ward, John |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Mather, Carol | Watson, John |
| Clegg, Walter | Mayhew, Patrick | Wheeler, John |
| Colvin, Michael | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Cope, John | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch) | Wolfson, Mark |
| Dean, Paul (North Somerset) | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | |
| Emery, Peter | Molyneaux, James | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Eyre, Reginald | Mr. Ivan Lawrence and Mr. J. F. Pawsey | |
| NOES | ||
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Foster, Derek | Richardson, Miss Jo |
| Atkinson, Norman (H'gay, Tott'ham) | Freud, Clement | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) | Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North) |
| Beith, A. J. | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Rooker, J. W. |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Heffer, Eric S. | Ross, Ernest (Dundee West) |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Hooley, Frank | Sever, John |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Short, Mrs Renée |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Huckfield, Les | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Silverman, Julius |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Carmichael, Neil | Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Snape, Peter |
| Cartwright, John | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Soley, Clive |
| Cowans, Harry | Lamond, James | Spearing, Nigel |
| Cryer, Bob | Leadbitter, Ted | Stallard, A. W. |
| Cunningham, George (Islington S) | Leighton, Ronald | Straw, Jack |
| Davidson, Arthur | Lyons, Edward (Bradford West) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West) |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central) | McCartney, Hugh | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Tinn, James |
| Deakins, Eric | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Marshall, Jim (Leicester South) | Wilson, William (Coventry SE) |
| Dixon, Donald | Maynard, Miss Joan | Winnick, David |
| Dubs, Alfred | Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Wright, Miss Sheila |
| Eastham, Ken | Mikardo, Ian | |
| Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) | Morton, George | TELLERS FOR THE NOES |
| Evans, John (Newton) | Penhaligon, David | Mr. Reg Race and Mr. David |
| Flannery, Martin | Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) |
Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Question put accordingly, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House proceeded to a Division:—
§ Mrs. Knight(seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I am informed that there is undue delay in the clearing of the Aye Lobby.
§ Mr. SpeakerIn view of that, I should like inquiries to be made. If Members are just hanging around in the Lobby, the Teller should bring the result of the Division. Would the Serjeant at Arms be kind enough to inquire?
§ The House having divided: Ayes 78, Noes 103.
765| Division No. 33] | AYES | [10.33 p.m. |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Foster, Derek | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Atkinson, Norman (H'gay, Tott'ham) | Freud, Clement | Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North) |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) | Rooker, J. W. |
| Beith, A. J. | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Ross, Ernest (Dundee West) |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Heffer, Eric S. | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) | Sever, John |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Hooley, Frank | Short, Mrs Renée |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Huckfield, Les | Silverman, Julius |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Skinner, Dennis |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Snape, Peter |
| Campbell-Savours, Dale | Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Soley, Clive |
| Carmichael, Neil | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Spearing, Nigel |
| Cartwright, John | Lomond, James | Stallard, A. W. |
| Cowans, Harry | Leadbitter, Ted | Stoddart, David |
| Cryer, Bob | Leighton, Ronald | Straw, Jack |
| Cunningham, George (Islington S) | Lyons, Edward (Bradford West) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West) |
| Davidson, Arthur | McCartney, Hugh | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central) | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Thin, James |
| Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Deakins, Eric | Marshall, Jim (Leicester South) | Wilson, William (Coventry SE) |
| Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Maynard, Miss Joan | Winnick, David |
| Dixon, Donald | Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Wright, Miss Sheila |
| Dubs, Alfred | Mikardo, Ian | |
| Eastham, Ken | Morton, George | TELLERS FOR THE AYES |
| Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) | Penhaligon, David | Miss Jo Richardson and |
| Evans, John (Newton) | Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) | Mr. Reg Race. |
| Flannery, Martin | ||
| NOES | ||
| Alexander, Richard | Best, Keith | Bright, Graham |
| Arnold, Tom | Bevan, David Gilroy | Brittan, Leon |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Blackburn, John | Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe) |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Blaker, Peter | Bryan, Sir Paul |
| Atkins, Robert (Preston North) | Boscawen, Hon Robert | Budgen, Nick |
| Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Bulmer, Esmond |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Braine, Sir Bernard | Butcher, John |
| Cadbury, Jocelyn | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Renton, Tim |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Kershaw, Anthony | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills) |
| Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | Knight, Mrs Jill | Shersby, Michael |
| Channon, Paul | Langford-Holt, Sir John | Smith, Dudley (War, and Leam'ton) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Le Marchant, Spencer | Speller, Tony |
| Clark, William (Croydon South) | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire) |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Steen, Anthony |
| Clegg, Walter | Lyell, Nicholas | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Colvin, Michael | McCusker, H. | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Cope, John | MacGregor, John | Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S) |
| Cormack, Patrick | Mackay, John (Argyll) | Thompson, Donald |
| Dean, Paul (North Somerset) | Mates, Michael | Thorne, Neil (Ilford South) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Mather, Carol | Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexleyheath) |
| Emery, Peter | Mayhew, Patrick | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Eyre, Reginald | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Waddington, David |
| Fairgrieve, Russell | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch) | Wakeham, John |
| Fenner, Mrs Peggy | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Waller, Gary |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Molyneaux, James | Ward, John |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) | Watson, John |
| Fry, Peter | Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) | Wheeler, John |
| Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Murphy, Christopher | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Myles, David | Wolfson, Mark |
| Goodlad, Alastair | Needham, Richard | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Gow, Ian | Normanton, Tom | |
| Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) | Page, Rt Hon R Graham (Crosby) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Gray, Hamish | Patten, Christopher (Bath) | Mr. J. F. Pawsey and |
| Hawksley, Warren | Patten, John (Oxford) | Mr. Ivan Lawrence. |
| Hooson, Tom | Proctor, K. Harvey |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ It being after a quarter to Eleven o'clock, Mr. Speaker adjourned the debate pursuant to the Order of the House this day.
§ Mrs. KnightOn a point of order, Mr. Speaker. May I draw to your attention the fact that, had the vote proceeded in a proper and orderly manner, there would have been sufficient time for another vote to have taken place.
§ Mr. SpeakerThe Division took an unusually long time. Hon. Members will draw their own conclusions. I asked the Serjeant at Arms to ask the Tellers to return, and it took a rather long time.