§ Lords amendment: No. 161 in page 68, line 29, at end insert ("section 97").
§ Motion made, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. John Smith.]
§ Question put forthwith:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 272, Noes 255.
927| Division No. 302] | AYES | [10.15 p.m. |
| Allaun, Frank | Blenkinsop, Arthur | Cartwright, John |
| Anderson, Donald | Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Castle, Rt Hon Barbara |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Clemitson, Ivor |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur | Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) |
| Ashley, Jack | Boyden, James (Bish Auck) | Cohen, Stanley |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Bradley, Tom | Coleman, Donald |
| Atkinson, Norman (H'gay, Tott'ham) | Bray, Dr Jeremy | Concannon, Rt Hon John |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) | Cook, Robin F. (Edin C.) |
| Bain, Mrs Margaret | Buchan, Norman | Corbett, Robin |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Buchanan, Richard | Cowans, Harry |
| Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) | Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) | Cox, Thomas (Tooting) |
| Bates, Alf | Callaghan, Jim (Middleton &P) | Craigen, Jim (Maryhill) |
| Bean, R. E. | Campbell, Ian | Crawshaw, Richard |
| Beith, A. J. | Canavan, Dennis | Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) |
| Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood | Cant, R. B. | Cryer, Bob |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Carmichael, Neil | Cunningham, G. (Islington S) |
| Bidwoll, Sydney | Carter, Ray | Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiten) |
| Bishop, Rt Hon Edward | Carter-Jones, Lewis | Dalyell, Tam |
| Davidson, Arthur | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Hodgers, George (Chorley) |
| Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Kerr, Russell | Rooker, J. W. |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil | Kilfedder, James | Roper, John |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Kirov-Silk, Robert | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Kinnock, Neil | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) |
| Dempsey, James | Lambie, David | Rowlands, Ted |
| Dewar, Donald | Lamborn, Harry | Ryman, John |
| Doig, Peter | Lamond, James | Sandelson, Neville |
| Dormand, J. D. | Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Lee, John | Sever, John |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) |
| Dunnett, Jack | Lever, Rt Hon Harold | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Eadie, Alex | Litterlck, Tom | Short, Mrs Benée (Wolv NE) |
| Edge, Geoff | Loyden, Eddie | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) | Lyon, Alexander (York) | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Silverman, Julius |
| Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) | Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson | Skinner, Dennis |
| English, Michael | McCartney, Hugh | Smith, Rt Hon John (N Lanarkshire) |
| Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Snape, Peter |
| Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) | McElhone, Frank | Spearing, Nigel |
| Evans, John (Newton) | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Ewing, Harry (Stirling) | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Stallard, A. W. |
| Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. | McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor | Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) |
| Flannery, Martin | Maclennan, Robert | Stoddart, David |
| Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) | Stott, Roger |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | McNamara, Kevin | Strang, Gavin |
| Ford, Ben | Madden, Max | Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. |
| Forrester, John | Magee, Bryan | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) | Mallalieu, J. P. W. | Swain, Thomas |
| Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Marks, Kenneth | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) |
| Freud, Clement | Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Garrett, Johan (Norwich S) | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| George, Bruce | Maynard, Miss Joan | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
| Ginsberg, David | Meacher, Michael | Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) |
| Golding, John | Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Thompson, George |
| Gourlay, Harry | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Graham, Ted | Mitchell, Austin | Tierney, Sydney |
| Grant, John (Islington C) | Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, lichen) | Tilley, John |
| Grocott, Bruce | Molloy, William | Tinn, James |
| Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) | Moonman, Eric | Tomlinson, John |
| Hardy, Peter | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Tomney, Frank |
| Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Morris, Rt Hon Charles R. | Torney, Tom |
| Hart, Rt Hon Judith | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Urwin, T. W. |
| Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Morton, George | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) |
| Hayman. Mrs Helene | Moyle, Rt Hon Roland | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Heller, Eric S. | Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Hooley, Frank | Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King | Ward, Michael |
| Kooson, Emlyn | Newens, Stanley | Watkins, David |
| Horam, John | Noble, Mike | Watkinson, John |
| Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Oakes, Gordon | Weetch, Ken |
| Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) | O'Halloran, Michael | Wellbeloved, James |
| Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) | Orbach, Maurice | White, Frank R. (Bury) |
| Huckfleld, Les | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | White, James (Pollok) |
| Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Ovenden, John | Whitehead, Phillip |
| Hughes, Mark (Durham) | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David | Whitlock, William |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Palmer, Arthur | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Park, George | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Hunter, Adam | Parker, John | Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W) |
| Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) | Parry, Robert | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) | Pavitt, Laurie | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E) |
| Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) | Perry, Ernest | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Janner, Greville | Prescott, John | Willson, William (Coventry SE) |
| Jeger, Mrs Lena | Price, C. (Lewisham W) | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Price, William (Rugby) | Woodall, Alec |
| John, Brynmor | Radice, Giles | Woof, Robert |
| Johnson, James (Hull West) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Johnson, Walter (Derby S) | Richardson, Miss Jo | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | |
| Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Robertson, George (Hamilton) | Mr. James Hamilton and |
| Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Robinson, Geoffrey | Mr. Joseph Dean. |
| Judd, Frank | Roderick, Caerwyn | |
| NOES | ||
| Adley, Robert | Baker, Kenneth | Biggs-Davison, John |
| Altken, Jonathan | Banks, Robert | Blaker, Peter |
| Alison, Michael | Bell, Ronald | Body, Richard |
| Amery, Rt Hon Julian | Bendall, Vivian | Boscawen, Hon Robert |
| Arnold, Tom | Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Bottomley, Peter |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) |
| Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East) | Benyon, W. | Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) |
| Awdry, Daniel | Biffen, John | Braine, Sir Bernard |
| Brocklebank-Fowler, C. | Heseltine, Michael | Parkinson, Cecil |
| Brooks, Hon Peter | Hicks, Robert | Pattie, Geoffrey |
| Brotherlon, Michael | Higgins, Terence L. | Percival, Ian |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Hodgson, Robin | Pink, R. Bonner |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Holland, Philip | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick | Hordern, Peter | Price, David (Eastleigh) |
| Buck, Antony | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Pym, Rt Hon Francis |
| Budgen, Nick | Howell, David (Guildford) | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) | Rees-Davies, W. R. |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Hunt, David (Wirral) | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) |
| Carlisle, Mark | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) |
| Chalker, Mrs Lynda | Hutchison, Michael Clark | Rhodes James, R. |
| Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | James, David | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Clark, William (Croydon S) | Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'd) | Ridley, Hon Nicholas |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Jessel, Toby | Rifkind, Malcolm |
| Clegg, Walter | Johnson Smith, G (E Grinstead) | Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey |
| Cockcroft, John | Jones, Arthur (Daventry) | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Jopling, Michael | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Cope, John | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) |
| Cormack, Patrick | Kershaw, Anthony | Ross, William (Londonderry) |
| Corrie, John | Kimball, Marcus | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) |
| Costain, A. P. | King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) |
| Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) | King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Sainsbury, Tim |
| Critchley, Julian | Kitson, Sir Timothy | St. John-Stevas, Norman |
| Crouch, David | Knox, David | Scott, Nicholas |
| Crowder, F. P. | Lamont, Norman | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Dean, Paul (N Somerset) | Latham, Michael (Melton) | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) |
| Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Lawrence, Ivan | Shaw, Mchael (Scarborough) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Lawson, Nigel | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Drayson, Burnaby | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Shepherd, Colin |
| du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Shersby, Michael |
| Dunlop, John | Lloyd, Ian | Silvester, Fred |
| Durant, Tony | Loveridge, John | Sims, Roger |
| Eden, Rt Hon Sir John | Luce, Richard | Sinclair, Sir George |
| Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | McCrindle, Robert | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Emery, Peter | McCusker, H. | Smith, Dudley (Warwick) |
| Eyre, Reginald | Macfarlane, Neil | Smith, Timothy John (Ashfield) |
| Fairgrieve, Russell | MacGregor, John | Speed, Keith |
| Farr, John | MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) | Spence, John |
| Fell, Anthony | Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) | Spicer, Jim (W Dorset) |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey | McNair-Wllson, M. (Newbury) | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Sproat, Iain |
| Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) | Madel, David | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Steen, Anthony (Wavertree) |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Marten, Neil | Stanley, John |
| Forman, Nigel | Mates, Michael | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) | Mather, Carol | Stokes, John |
| Fox, Marcus | Maude, Angus | Stradling Thomas, j. |
| Fry, Peter | Mawby, Ray | Tapsell, Peter |
| Galbraith, Hon T. G. D. | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Taylor, R. (Croydon NW) |
| Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Mayhew, Patrick | Taylor, Teddy (Carthcart) |
| Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian (Chesham) | Mills, Peter | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) | Miscampbell, Norman | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Trotter, Neville |
| Godber, Rt Hon Joseph | Moate, Roger | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Goodhew, Victor | Molyneaux, James | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Goodlad, Alastair | Monro, Hector | Viggers, Peter |
| Gorst, John | Montgomery, Fergus | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Moore, John (Croydon C) | Wakeham, John |
| Gower, Sr Raymond (Barry) | More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) | Morgan, Geralnt | Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
| Gray, Hamish | Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Griffiths, Eldon | Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Wall, Patrick |
| Grist, Ian | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Walters, Dennis |
| Grylls, Michael | Neave, Airey | Warren, Kenneth |
| Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Nelson, Anthony | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Hamilton, Archibald (Epsom & Ewell) | Neubert, iMchael | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Newton, Tony | Whitney, Raymond |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Normanton, Tom | Wiggins, Jerry |
| Hannam, John | Nott, John | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) | Onslow, Cranley | Wood, Rt Hon Richard |
| Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss | Oppenhem, Mrs Sally | Young, Sir G. (Eallng, Acton) |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Osborn, John | Younger, Hon George |
| Hastings, Stephen | Page, John (Harrow Watt) | |
| Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Hawkins, Paul | Page, Richard (Wokington) | Mr. Anthony Berry and |
| Hayhoe, Barney | Paisley, Rev Ian | Mr. Peter Morrison. |
| Heath, Rt Hon Edward |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Lords amendments nos. 162 to 164 and 166 disagreed to.
928§ Lords amendments nos. 129 to 146, 148 to 152, 156 to 160 and 165 agreed to.
929§ 10.30 p.m.
§ Mr. Francis Pym (Cambridgeshire)On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Arising out of the decision the House took on amendment no. 128, may I ask whether the Government will give an indication whether they will alter the recommendation that they originally intended to put to the House in relation to Lords amendment no. 173, to which we come later? Secondly, do the Government feel able to give an indication to the House now in regard to their action over Lords amendment no. 75, upon which we voted earlier this evening? Would they go so far as to say that if another place were to be of the opinion that the view taken there originally was to be held, the Government would not seek to overturn that amendment?
§ Mr. John SmithFurther to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. The Government will look carefully at the situation that has developed. I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman will forgive me if I am not able to respond immediately to what he asks. The House has reached certain decisions and we shall take account of them.