HC Deb 19 April 1978 vol 948 cc619-27
Mr. John Smith

For the reasons that I outlined in my earlier intervention, I beg to move Amendment No. 325, in page 32, line 35, leave out subsection (2) and insert— (2) If it appears to the Secretary of State that less than 40 per cent. of the persons enti-

tled to vote in the referendum have voted "Yes" in reply to the question posed in the Appendix to Schedule 12 to this Act or that a majority of the answers given in the referendum have been "No" he shall lay before Parliament the draft of an Order in Council for the repeal of this Act".

Mr. Crawford

On a point of order, Sir Myer—

The First Deputy Chairman (Sir Myer Galpern)

I cannot take a point of order at this stage.

Question put, That the amendment he made:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 280, Noes 208.

Division No. 185] AYES [11.18 p.m.
Abse, Leo Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Costain, A. P.
Aitken, Jonathan Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) Cowans, Harry
Alison, Michael Braine, Sir Bernard Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E)
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Brittan, Leon Crawshaw, Richard
Arnold, Tom Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Critchley, Julian
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Brooke, Peter Crouch, David
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Brotherton, Michael Crowder, F. P.
Atkinson, David (Bournemouth, East) Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford)
Awdry, Daniel Bryan, Sir Paul Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)
Baker, Kenneth Buck, Antony Dean, Paul (N Somerset)
Banks, Robert Budgen, Nick Dodsworth, Geoffrey
Bean, R. E. Bulmer, Esmond Doig, Peter
Bell, Ronald Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Bendall, Vivian (Ilford North) Carlisle, Mark Drayson, Burnaby
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Chalker, Mrs Lynda Dunlop, John
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Channon, Paul Durant, Tony
Benyon, W. Churchill, W. S. Eden, Rt Hon Sir John
Berry, Hon Anthony Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Bidwell, Sydney Clegg, Walter Elliott, Sir William
Biffen, John Cockroft, John Emery, Peter
Biggs-Davison, John Cohen, Stanley Evans, Fred (Caerphilly)
Body, Richard Colquhoun, Ms Maureen Evans, Ioan (Aberdare)
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Evans, John (Newton)
Boscawen, Hon Robert Cope, John Eyre, Reginald
Bottomley, Peter Cormack, Patrick Fairbairn, Nicholas
Fairgrieve, Russell Lawson, Nigel Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)
Farr, John Le Marchant, Spencer Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex)
Fall, Anthony Lester, Jim (Beeston) Rhodes James, R.
Fisher, Sir Nigel Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Richardson, Miss Jo
Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) Litterick, Tom Ridley, Hon Nicholas
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Loveridge, John Ridsdale, Julian
Fookes, Miss Janet Luce, Richard Rifkind, Malcolm
Ford, Ben Lyon, Alexander (York) Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Forman, Nigel McCrindle, Robert Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) McCusker, H. Robinson, Geoffrey
Fox, Marcus Macfarlane, Neil Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) MacGregor, John Rooker, J. W.
Fry, Peter MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) Ross, William (Londonderry)
Gardiner, George (Reigate) Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)
Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) Royle, Sir Anthony
Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham) Madden, Max Sainsbury, Tim
Glyn, Dr Alan Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Godber, Rt Hon Joseph Marten, Neil Shelton, William (Streatham)
Goodhart, Philip Mates, Michael Shepherd, Colin
Goodhew, Victor Mather, Carol Shersby, Michael
Goodlad, Alastair Mawby, Ray Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE)
Gorst, John Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Silvester, Fred
Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) Mayhew, Patrick Sims, Roger
Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) Maynard, Miss Joan Sinclair, Sir George
Gray, Hamish Mendelson, John Skeet, T. H. H.
Grieve, Percy Meyer, Sir Anthony Skinner, Dennis
Griffiths, Eldon Mikardo, Ian Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Grist, Ian Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) Spearing, Nigel
Grylls, Michael Miscampbell, Norman Speed, Keith
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Spence, John
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Moate, Roger Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) Molloy, William Spriggs, Leslie
Hampson, Dr Keith Molyneaux, James Sproat, Iain
Hannam, John Monro, Hector Stainton, Keith
Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss Montgomery, Fergus Stanbrook, Ivor
Haselhurst, Alan Moonman, Eric Stanley, John
Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael Moore, John (Croydon C) Steen, Anthony (Wavertree)
Hawkins, Paul More, Jasper (Ludlow) Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Hayhoe, Barney Morgan, Geraint Stoddart, David
Heffer, Eric S. Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral Stokes, John
Heseltine, Michael Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Tapsell, Peter
Higgins, Terence L. Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Hodgson, Robin Neave, Airey Tebbit, Norman
Holland, Philip Nelson, Anthony Temple-Morris, Peter
Hordern, Peter Neubert, Michael Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Newens, Stanley Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Howell, David (Guildford) Newton, Tony Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Hunt, David (Wirral) Nott, John Torney, Tom
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Ogden, Eric Townsend, Cyril D.
Hurd, Douglas Oppenheim, Mrs Sally van Straubenzee, W. R.
Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) Page, John (Harrow West) Viggers, Peter
Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) Wakeham, John
James, David Page, Richard (Workington) Wall, Patrick
Jeger, Mrs Lena Palmer, Arthur Walters, Dennis
Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'df'd) Parkinson, Cecil Weatherill, Bernard
Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Pattie, Geoffrey Wells, John
Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Percival, Ian Whitelaw, Rt Hon William
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Peyton, Rt Hon John Wiggin, Jerry
Jopling, Michael Pink, R. Bonner Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch Winterton, Nicholas
Kaberry, Sir Donald Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Wise, Mrs Audrey
Kilroy-Silk, Robert Price, C. (Lewisham W) Wood, Rt Hon Richard
King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Price, David (Eastleigh) Woodall, Alec
King, Tom (Bridgwater) Prior, Rt Hon James Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Kinnock, Neil Pym, Rt Hon Francis Younger, Hon George
Kitson, Sir Timothy Raison, Timothy
Langford-Holt, Sir John Rathbone, Tim TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Latham, Michael (Melton) Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) Mr. John Stradling and
Lawrence, Ivan Mr. Bruce Douglas-Mann.
NOES
Adley, Robert Bonn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)
Allaun, Frank Bishop, Rt Hon Edward Campbell, Ian
Anderson, Donald Blenkinsop, Arthur Canavan, Dennis
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Boardman, H. Cant, R. B.
Armstrong, Ernest Bradley, Tom Carmichael, Neil
Ashton, Joe Bray, Dr Jeremy Castle, Rt Hon Barbara
Atkinson, Norman Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Clemitson, Ivor
Bain, Mrs Margaret Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Buchanan, Richard Coleman, Donald
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Buchanan-Smith, Alick Corbett, Robin
Bates, Alf Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Cox, Thomas (Tooting)
Beith, A. J. Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Craigen, Jim (Maryhill)
Crawford, Douglas Johnson, James (Hull West) Sedgemore, Brian
Cronin, John Johnson, Walter (Derby S) Sever, John
Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) Johnston, Russell (Inverness) Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Cryer, Bob Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Davidson, Arthur Jones, Barry (East Flint) Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Judd, Frank Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil Kaufman, Gerald Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Kerr, Russell Silverman, Julius
Deakins, Eric Knox, David Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Lambie, David Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Dempsey, James Lever, Rt Hon Harold Snape, Peter
Dormand, J. D. Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Stallard, A. W.
Duffy, A. E. P. Loyden, Eddie Steel, Rt Hon David
Dunn, James A. Luard, Evan Stewart, Rt Hon Donald
Dewar, Donald Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham)
Eadie, Alex Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson Stott, Roger
Edge, Geoff McCartney, Hugh Strang, Gavin
Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) McDonald, Dr Oonagh Strauss, Rt Hon G. R.
English, Michael McElhone, Frank Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Ennals, Rt Hon David MacFarquhar, Roderick Swain, Thomas
Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) McGuire, Michael (Ince) Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Ewing, Harry (Stirling) MacKenzie. Rt Hon Gregor Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) Mackintosh, John P. Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Faulds, Andrew Maclennan, Robert Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E)
Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) Thompson, George
Flannery, Martin McNamara, Kevin Thorne, Stan (Preston S)
Foot, Rt Won Michael Magee, Bryan Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Mallalieu, J. P. W. Tierney, Sydney
Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Tinn, James
Freud, Clement Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Tomlinson, John
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Mason, Rt Hon Roy Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
George, Bruce Meacher, Michael Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Ginsburg, David Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Golding, John Mitchell, Austin Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Gould, Bryan Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Ward, Michael
Gourlay, Harry Morris, Rt Hon Charles R. Watkins, David
Grant, George (Morpeth) Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) Watkinson, John
Grant, John (Islington C) Mcyle, Roland Watt, Hamish
Grocott, Bruce Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Weitzman, David
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Noble, Mike Wellbeloved, James
Hardy, Peter Oakes, Gordon Welsh, Andrew
Harper, Joseph O'Halloran, Michael White, James (Pollok)
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Whitlock, William
Hart, Rt Hon Judith Padley, Walter Wigley, Dafydd
Healey, Rt Hon Denis Pardoe, John Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W)
Henderson, Douglas Park, George Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Hooley, Frank Parry, Robert Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Hooson, Emlyn Penhaligon, David Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Horam, John Price, William (Rugby) Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) Radice, Giles Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) Reid, George Woof, Robert
Huckfield, Les Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Wrigglesworth, Ian
Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) Roderick, Caerwyn Young, David (Bolton E)
Hughes, Roy (Newport) Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Hunter, Adam Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) Mr. Ted Graham and
Janner, Greville Rowlands, Ted Mr. Frank R. White.
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Ryman, John

Question accordingly agreed to.

Question put, That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 269. Noes 30.

Division No. 186] AYES [11.34 p.m.
Abse, Leo Bishop, Rt Hon Edward Cant, R. B.
Allaun, Frank Blenkinsop, Arthur Carlisle, Mark
Anderson, Donald Boardman, H. Carmichael, Neil
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Body, Richard Clemitson, Ivor
Armstrong, Ernest Bottomley, Peter Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S)
Ashton, Joe Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Cohen, Stanley
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Bradley, Tom Coleman, Donald
Atkinson, Norman Bray, Dr Jeremy Colquhoun, Ms Maureen
Banks, Robert Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Cook, Robin F. (Edin C)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Corbett, Robin
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Cowans, Harry
Bates, Alf Buchanan, Richard Cox, Thomas (Tooting)
Bell, Ronald Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Craigen, Jim (Maryhill)
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Crawshaw, Richard
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Cronin, John
Bidwell, Sydney Campbell, Ian Cryer, Bob
Davidson, Arthur Kerr, Russell Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Kilroy-Silk, Robert Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) King, Tom (Bridgwater) Robinson, Geoffrey
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Kinnock, Neil Roderick, Caerwyn
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Lambie, David Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Deakins, Eric Latham, Michael (Melton) Rooker, J. W.
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Lawrence, Ivan Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock)
Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Lever, Rt Hon Harold Rowlands, Ted
Dempsey, James Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Royle, Sir Anthony
Dewar, Donald Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Ryman, John
Doig, Peter Litterick, Tom Scott, Nicholas
Dormand, J. D. Loyden, Eddie Sedgemore, Brian
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Luard, Evan Sever, John
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Luce, Richard Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Duffy, A. E. P. Lyon, Alexander (York) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Dunn, James A. Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Dykes, Hugh Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Eadie, Alex McCartney, Hugh Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE)
Edge, Geoff McDonald, Dr Oonagh Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Elliott, Sir William McElhone, Frank Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) MacFarquhar, Roderick Silverman, Julius
English, Michael McGuire, Michael (Ince) Sims, Roger
Ennals, Rt Hon David MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) Sinclair, Sir George
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Skeet, T. H. H.
Evans, John (Newton) Mackintosh, John P. Skinner, Dennis
Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Maclennan, Robert Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Farr, John McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Faulds, Andrew McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) Snape, Peter
Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. McNamara, Kevin Spearing, Nigel
Flannery, Martin Madden, Max Stallard, A. W.
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Magee, Bryan Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham)
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Mallalieu, J. P. W. Stoddart, David
Forrester, John Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Stott, Roger
Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Strang, Gavin
Gardiner, George (Reigate) Mason, Rt Hon Roy Strauss, Rt Hon G. R.
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Maynard, Miss Joan Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
George, Bruce Meacher, Michael Temple-Morris, Peter
Gilbert, Dr John Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Ginsburg, David Mendelson, John Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E)
Golding, John Meyer, Sir Anthony Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Goodlad, Alastair Mikardo, Ian Tierney, Sydney
Gourlay, Harry Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Tinn, James
Grant, George (Morpeth) Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) Tomlinson, John
Grant, John (Islington C) Mitchell, Austin Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Grieve, Percy Moate, Roger Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Grimond, Rt Hon J. Molloy, William Wakeham, John
Grocott, Bruce Monro, Hector Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) More, Jasper (Ludlow) Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Hardy, Peter Morgan, Geraint Wall, Patrick
Harper, Joseph Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Walters, Dennis
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Ward, Michael
Hart, Rt Hon Judith Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) Watkins, David
Hayhoe, Barney Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Watkinson, John
Healey, Rt Hon Denis Moyle, Roland Weitzman, David
Heffer, Eric S. Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Wellbeloved, James
Hooley, Frank Nelson, Anthony White, James (Pollok)
Horam, John Newens, Stanley Whitlock, William
Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) Noble, Mike Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Huckfield, Les Oakes, Gordon Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W)
Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) Ogden, Eric Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Hunt, David (Wirral) O'Halloran, Michael Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Hunter, Adam Padley, Walter Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) Palmer, Arthur Winterton, Nicholas
Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Park, George Wise, Mrs Audrey
Janner, Greville Parry, Robert Woodall, Alec
Jeger, Mrs Lena Pattie, Geoffrey Woof, Robert
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Penhaligon, David Wrigglesworth, tan
Johnson, James (Hull West) Price, C. (Lewisham W) Young, David (Bolton E)
Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Price, William (Rugby) Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Jones, Barry (East Flint) Radice, Giles
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Judd, Frank Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) Mr. Frank R. White and
Kaufman, Gerald Richardson, Miss Jo Mr. Ted Graham.
NOES
Adley, Robert Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) Howells, Geraint (Cardigan)
Bain, Mrs Margaret Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) Johnston, Russell (Inverness)
Beith, A. J. Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Knox, David
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Freud, Clement Marshall, Michael (Arundel)
Budgen, Nick Henderson, Douglas Pardoe, John
Canavan, Dennis Higgins, Terence L. Rathbone, Tim
Crawford, Douglas Hooson, Emlyn Reid, George
Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Thompson, George
Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Steel, Rt Hon David Watt, Hamish Mr. Gordon Wilson and
Stewart, Rt Hon Donald Wigley, Dafydd Mr. Andrew Welsh.
Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)

Question accordingly agreed to.

Clause 83, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

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