§ The Lords insist on their amendments in page 81, to leave out lines 19 to 30; page 82, line 12; and page 82, line 42, for which insistence they assign the following Reason:
1668§ Because it is considered to be in the best interests of the ship-repairing industry that the companies referred to in the said amendments should not be nationalised.
§ Motion made, and Question put, That this House doth insist upon its disagreement with the Lords in the said amendments [Mr. Frank R. White.]:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 280, Noes 278.
1671| Division No. 421.] | AYES | [8.6 p.m. |
| Abse, Leo | Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) |
| Allaun, Frank | Cryer, Bob | Hart, Rt Hon Judith |
| Anderson, Donald | Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) | Hatton, Frank |
| Ashley, Jack | Davidson, Arthur | Hayman, Mrs Helene |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Healey, Rt Hon Denis |
| Atkinson, Norman | Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) | Heffer, Eric S. |
| Bagler, Gordon A. T. | Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Hooley, Frank |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Horam, John |
| Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) | Deakins, Eric | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) |
| Bates, Alf | Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) |
| Bean, R. E. | Dell, Rt Hon Edmund | Huckileld, Les |
| Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood | Dempsey, James | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Doig, Peter | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Dormand, J. D. | Hughes, Roy (Newport) |
| Bishop, E. S. | Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Hunter, Adam |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Duffy, A. E. P. | Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) |
| Boardman, H. | Dunn, James A. | Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Dunnelt, Jack | Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur | Edge, Geoff | Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) |
| Boyden, James (Bish Auck) | Edwards, Robert (Wohr SE) | Janner, Greville |
| Bradley, Tom | Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | English, Michael | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Ennals, David | Jenkins, Rt Hon Roy (Stechford) |
| Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) | Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) | John, Brynmor |
| Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) | Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) | Johnson, James (Hull West) |
| Buchan, Norman | Ewing, Harry (Stirling) | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) |
| Buchanan, Richard | Faulds, Andrew | Jones, Barry (East Flint) |
| Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) | Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. | Jones, Dan (Burnley) |
| Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) | Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | Kaufman, Gerald |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middlelon & P) | Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) | Kelley, Richard |
| Campbell, Ian | Flannery, Martin | Kilroy-Silk, Robert |
| Canavan, Dennis | Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Kinnock, Neil |
| Cant, R. B. | Ford, Ben | Lambie, David |
| Carmichael, Neil | Forrester, John | Lamborn, Harry |
| Carter, Ray | Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) | Lamond, James |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Latham, Arthur (Paddington) |
| Castle, RT Hon Barbara | Freeson, Reginald | Leadbitler, Ted |
| Clemitson, Ivor | Garrett, John (Norwich S) | Lee, John |
| Cocks, Rt Hon Michael | Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) | Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) |
| Cohen, Stanley | George, Bruce | Lever, Rt Hon Harold |
| Coleman, Donald | Gilbert, Dr John | Lipton, Marcus |
| Colquhoun, Ms Maureen | Ginsburg, David | Litterick, Tom |
| Concannon, J. D. | Golding, John | Lomas, Kenneth |
| Conlan, Bernard | Gould, Bryan | Loyden, Eddie |
| Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) | Gourlay, Harry | Luard, Evan |
| Corbett, Robin | Graham, Ted | Lyon, Alexander (York) |
| Cowans, Many | Grant, George (Morpeth) | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Grant, John (Islington C) | Mabon, Dr J. Dickson |
| Cralgen, J. M. (Maryhill) | Grocott, Bruce | McCartney, Hugh |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | McDonald, Dr Oonagh |
| Cronin, John | Hardy, Peter | McElhone, Frank |
| Crosland, Rt Hon Anthony | Harper, Joseph | McGuire, Michael (Ince) |
| MacKenzie, Gregor | Pendry, Tom | Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. |
| Mackintosh, John P. | Perry, Ernest | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| Maclennan, Robert | Phipps, Dr Colin | Swain, Thomas |
| McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) |
| McNamara, Kevin | Price, C. (Lewisham W) | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Madden, Max | Price, William (Rugby) | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
| Magee, Bryan | Radice, Giles | Thomas, Ron (Sristol MW) |
| Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Mahon, Simon | Richardson, Miss Joe | Tierney, Sydney |
| Mallalieu, J. P. W. | Roberts, Albert (Normanion) | Tinn, James |
| Marks, Kenneth | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | Tomlinson, John |
| Marquand, David | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Tonvey, Tom |
| Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Robinson, Geoffrey | Urwin, T. W. |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Roderick, Caerwyn | Varley, Rt Hon Eric G. |
| Maynard, Miss Joan | Rodgers, George (Chorley) | Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd) |
| Meacher, Michael | Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Rooker, J. W. | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Mendelson, John | Roper, John | Watkins, David |
| Mikardo, Ian | Rose, Paul B. | Watklnson, John |
| Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) | Weetch, Ken |
| Miller, Or M. S. (E Kilbride) | Rowlands, Ted | Weltzman, David |
| Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N) | Ryman, John | Wellbeloved, Janes |
| Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Sandelson, Neville | White, Frank R. (Bury) |
| Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Sedgemore, Brian | White, James (Pollok) |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Selby, Harry | Whitehead, Phillip |
| Moyle, Roland | Shaw, Arnold (Illford South) | Whitlock. William |
| Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Newens, Stanley | Shore, Rt Hon Peter | Williams, Alan (Swansea W) |
| Noble, Mike | Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv ME) | Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford) |
| Oakes, Gordon | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Ogden, Eric | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| O'Halloran, Michael | Sillars, James | Wilson, William (Coventry SE) |
| Orbach, Maurice | Silverman, Julius | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | Skinner, Dennis | Woodall, Alec |
| Ovenden, John | Small, William | Woof, Robert |
| Owen, Rt Hon Dr David | Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Padley, Walter | Spearing, Nigel | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Palmer, Arthur | Spriggs, Leslie | |
| Park, George | Stallard, A. W. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Parker, John | Stoddart, David | Mr. Peter Snape and |
| Parry, Robert | Stott, Roger | Mr. Joseph Ashton. |
| Pavitt, Laurie | Strang, Gavin | |
| NOES | ||
| Adley, Robert | Clark, William (Croydon S) | Fry, Peter |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Galbraith, Hon T. G. D. |
| Alison, Michael | Clegg, Walter | Gardiner, George (Relgate) |
| Amery, Rt Hon Julian | Cockcroft, John | Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Sparthorne) | Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham) |
| Awdry, Daniel | Cope, John | Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) |
| Bain, Mrs Margaret | Cordle, John H. | Glyn, Dr Alan |
| Baker, Kenneth | Cormack, Patrick | Godber, Rt Hon Joseph |
| Banks, Robert | Corrle, John | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Beith, A. J. | Costain, A. P. | Gorst, John |
| Bell, Roneld | Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) | Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Crawford, Douglas | Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) |
| Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Critchley, Julian | Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Crowder, F. P. | Gray, Hamlsh |
| Biffen, John | Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) | Grieve, Percy |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Dean, Paul (N Somerset) | Griffiths, Eldon |
| Blaker, Peter | Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Grimond, Rt Hon J. |
| Body, Richard | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Grist, Ian |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Drayson, Burnaby | Gryils, Michael |
| Bottomley, Peter | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Hall, Sir John |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) | Dunlop, John | Hall-Davis, A. G. F. |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) | Eden, Rt Hon Sir John | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) |
| Bradford, Rev Robert | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Braine, Sir Bernard | Elliott, Sir William | Hennam, John |
| Brittan, Leon | Emery, Peter | Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss |
| Brocklebank-Fowler, C. | Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | Hastings, Stephen |
| Brotherton, Michael | Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) | Havers, Sir Michael |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Beth) | Eyre, Reginald | Hawkins, Paul |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Fairbairn, Nicholas | Hayhoe, Barney |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick | Fair grieve, Russell | Heath, Rt Hon Edward |
| Buck, Antony | Farr, John | Henderson, Douglas |
| Budgen, Nick | Fell, Anthony | Heseitine, Michael |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Finsberg, Geoffrey | Hicks, Robert |
| Burden, F. A. | Fisher, Sir Nigel | Higgins, Terence L. |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Hodgson, Robin |
| Carlisle, Mark | Fookes, Miss Janet | Holland, Phillp |
| Carson, John | For man, Nigel | Hordern, Peter |
| Chatter, Mrs Lynda | Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) | Howell, David (Guildford) |
| Channon, Paul | Fox, Marcus | Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) |
| Churchill, W. S. | Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) | Hunt, David (Wirral) |
| Clark, Atan (Plymouth, Sutton) | Freud, Clement | Hunt, John (Bromley) |
| Hurd, Douglas | Montgomery, Fergus | Sims, Roger |
| Hutchison, Michael Clark | Moore, John (Croydon C) | Sinclair, Sir George |
| Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) | More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Skeel, T. H. H. |
| James, David | Morgan, Geraint | Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd & W'dt'd) | Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Smith, Dudley (Warwick) |
| Jessel, Toby | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Speed, Keith |
| Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) | Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) | Spence, John |
| Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Mudd, David | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Jones, Arthur (Daventry) | Nelson, Anthony | Sproal, Iain |
| Jopling Michael | Neubert, Michael | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Newton, Tony | Stanley, John |
| Kaberry, Sir Donald | Nott, John | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Kershaw, Anthony | Onslow, Cranley | Steen, Anthony (Wavertree) |
| Kilfedder, James | Oppenheim, Mrs Sally | Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) |
| Kimball, Marcus | Page, John (Harrow West) | Stewart, Ian (Hitchtn) |
| King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Stokes, John |
| King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Page, Richard (Workington) | Tapsell, Peter |
| Kitson, Sir Timothy | Paisley, Rev Ian | Taylor, R. (Croydon NW) |
| Knox, David | Pardoe, John | Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart) |
| Lamont, Norman | Pattie, Geoffrey | Tebbit, Norman |
| Langford-Holt, Sir John | Penhaligon, David | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Lalham, Michael (Melton) | Percival, Ian | Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Peyton, Rt Hon John | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Lawson, Nigel | Pink, R. Bonner | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch | Thompson, George |
| Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Price, David (Eastleigh) | Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) |
| Lloyd, Ian | Prior, Rt Hon James | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Loveridge, John | Pym, Rt Hon Francis | Trotter, Neville |
| McAdden, Sir Stephen | Ralson, Timothy | Tugendhat, Christopher |
| MacCormick, Iain | Rathbone, Tim | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| McCrindie, Robert | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| McCusker, H. | Rees-Davies, W. R. | Viggers, Peter |
| Macfarlane, Neil | Reid, George | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| MacGregor, John | Ridley, Hon Nicholas | Wakeham, John |
| Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) | Ridsdale, Julian | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | Rifkind, Malcolm | Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey | Walters, Dennis |
| Madel, David | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) | Warren, Kenneth |
| Marten, Neil | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Watt, Hamish |
| Mates, Michael | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) | Wealherill, Bernard |
| Mather, Card | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) | Wells, John |
| Maude, Angus | Ross, William (Londonderry) | Welsh, Andrew |
| Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| Mawby, Ray | Rosl, Peter (SE Derbyshire) | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Royle, Sir Anthony | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E) |
| Mayhew, Patrick | Sainsbury, Tim | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | St. John-Stevas, Norman | Wood, Rt Hon Richard |
| Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Scott, Nicholas | Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton) |
| Mills, Peter | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) | Younger, Hon George |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Shelton, William (Streatham) | |
| Molloy, William | Shepherd, Colin | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Molyneaux, James | Shersby, Michael | Mr. Spencer Le Marchant. |
| Monro, Hector | Silvester, Fred | Mr. Cecil Parkinson. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ It being three hours after the commencement of the proceedings on the Lords amendments, Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER, pursuant to the Order [8th November], proceeded to put forthwith the Questions specified in that Order.
§ Amendments made to the Bill in lieu thereof: No. 2, in page 21, line 40, leave out "Part I" and insert "paragraph 1, 3 or 4".
§ No. 3, in page 21, line 41, leave out "fulfilled the conditions in Part II of that Schedule" and insert—
- "(a) fulfilled the conditions in Part II of that Schedule, and
- (b) fulfilled the conditions specified in sub-paragraph (b) of paragraph 5 of that Schedule as being for the purposes of that
1672 paragraph shipbuilding companies manufacturers of slow speed diesel marine engines or training companies,".
§
No. 4, in page 21, line 43, at end insert—
(2A) Subject to the provisions of this Part of this Act, on the shiprepairing industry vesting date all securities of the companies which on that date were known by the names specified in paragraph 2 of Schedule 2 to this Act, being the companies other than any excepted company which on that date—
shall, by virtue of this section, vest in British Shipbuilders free from all trusts and incumbrances".
§
No. 5, in page 77, line 15, after "Shipbuilders", insert—
by virtue of section 19(2) of this Act".
§
No. 6, in page 77, line 16, at end insert
and
(c) in relation to a company which becomes, or would but for the provisions of section 27 of this Act become, a wholly owned subsidiary of British Shipbuilders by virtue of section 19(2A) of this Act, the shiprepairing industry vesting date;".
§
No. 7, in page 77, line 34, at end insert—
'shiprepairing industry vesting date' means such date not less than 3 nor more than 6 months after the passing of this Act as the Secretary of State may by order made by statutory instrument specify for the purposes of section 19(2A) of this Act;".
§
No. 8, in page 80, line 44, at beginning insert—
1. The companies whose securities are to vest in British Shipbuilders under section 19(2) above as being shipbuilding companies for the purposes of paragraph 5 below are:—".
§
No. 9, in page 81, line 18, at end insert—
2. The companies whose securities are to vest in British Shipbuilders under section 19(2A) above as being shiprepairing companies for the purposes of paragaph 5 below are—".
§
No. 10, in page 81, line 31, at end insert—
3. The companies whose securities are to vest in British Shipbuilders under section 19(2) above as being manufacturers of slow speed diesel marine engines for the purposes of paragraph 5 below are:—".
§
No. 11, in page 82, line 1, at end insert—
4. The companies whose securities are to vest in British Shipbuilders under section 19(2) above, as being training companies for the purposes of paragraph 5 below are:—".—[Mr. Kaufman.]
§
Motion made, and Question,
That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their amendments.—[Mr. Kaufman.]
§ put forthwith, pursuant to the Order [10th November], and agreed to.
§
Motion made, and Question,
That Mr. Michael Heseltine, Mr. Leslie Huckfield, Mr. Gerald Kaufman, Mr. Tom King, Mr. Tom Pendry be Members of the Committee.—[Mr. Kaufman.]
§ put forthwith, pursuant to the Order [10th November], and agreed to.
§
Motion made, and Question,
That three be the quorum.—[Mr. Kaufman.]
§ put forthwith, pursuant to the Order [10th November], and agreed to.
§
Motion made, and Question.
That the Committee do withdraw immediately.—[Mr. Kaufman.]
§ put forthwith, pursuant to the Order [10th November], and agreed to.