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Amendments made: No. 47, in page 15, line 30, leave out from 'him' to 'or' in line 38 and insert:
' by virtue of section 3(5) above '.
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No. 48, in page 15, line 42, leave out from beginning to 'above' and insert:
' by virtue of section 3(5) '.
§
No. 49, in page 16, line 3, at end insert:
(2A) An appeal under this section against a decision to make a deportation order against a person shall be to the Appeal Tribunal in the first instance, instead of to an adjudicator, if the ground of the decision was that his deportation is conducive to the public good; and a person shall not be entitled to appeal against a decision to make a deportation order against him if the ground of the decision was that his deportation is conducive to the public good as being in the interests of national security or of the relations between the United Kingdom and any other country or for other reasons of a political nature.
§
No. 50, in page 16, line 4, leave out 'under subsection (1)(b) above' and insert:
' against a decision to make a deportation order against him as belonging to the family of another person '.- —[Mr. Maudling.]
§ Mr. S. C. Silkin (Dulwich)I beg to move Amendment No. 97, in page 16, line 5, after 'that', insert: 658
' (a) he is capable of providing for his own support without assistance from the other person who is ordered to be deported; or(b) he was not when either of the relevant deportation orders were made and had not between the making of the said orders been living as part of the family of the other person ordered to be deported;and in either of the cases referred to under (a) and (b) above that it would not be in his interest to be deported or on the ground that '.
§ Mr. SpeakerIt is suggested that it will be convenient to take also Amendment No. 53, in page 16, line 8, after 'deported', insert:
' or on the ground that—(a) he is capable of providing for his own support without assistance from the other person who is ordered to be deported; or '
§ Mr. SilkinThe purpose of the Amendment is to provide a right of appeal in cases of what has been called family deportation. When we were dealing with that subject in another context last night the Home Secretary, perhaps anticipating the debate on this Amendment, said:
I have decided that what I would like to do is to introduce at a later stage … the right of appeal. I will have to draft the wording. It will be a right of appeal in cases of family deportation, direct to the appeal tribunal. I am sorry that I cannot put an Amendment down today, but it will take some drafting.I am not sure whether the emphasis was on the word "some", or otherwise. The right hon. Gentleman then said:I am willing to give that undertaking, to introduce a right of appeal in these cases at a later stage."—[OFFICIAL REPORT, 16th June, 1971; Vol. 819, c. 507.]We expressed our pleasure that the right hon. Gentleman had succumbed to our pressure on this matter.The intention of Amendment No. 97 is to do what the right hon. Gentleman says that he intends to do, and he reserves to himself, as is no doubt proper, the right to carry out the drafting. In these circumstances, it is unnecessary for me to expatiate on the principle of the matter. However, I should appreciate it if the right hon. Gentleman, who has no doubt had an opportunity of considering the Amendment, will tell us about the kind of difficulties which he appears to envisage, how he proposes that this right of appeal should operate in the case of the family of a person who is deported, and how it fits in generally with his scheme 659 for supervised departure and the timetable which he has proposed in accordance with earlier Amendments. It would be of assistance if he explained that, particularly as the Amendment which he has undertaken to introduce will be discussed first in another place and will only return to this House at a very late stage.
§ 4.15 p.m.
§ The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. Reginald Maudling)As the hon. and learned Member for Dulwich (Mr. S. C. Silkin) has said, to some extent the Amendment has been overtaken by what I said about a right of appeal. The Amendment would give a right of appeal on certain grounds. I envisage a wider right of appeal. I certainly give an undertaking that the grounds of appeal in the Amendment will be encompassed within the Amendment which I shall put down at a later stage. Were I to accept the Amendment, it
§ might exclude other wider grounds which I should like to include. I hope that the hon. and learned Gentleman will accept my asurance that the purpose of his Amendment will be fully covered by the Amendments I intend putting down at a later stage.
§ Amendment negatived.
§ Amendments made: No. 51, in page 16, line 7, after 'or', insert 'is or was'.
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No. 52, in page 16, line 7, leave out from 'person' to first 'the' in line 9 and insert:
' and on an appeal against such a decision '.—[Mr. Maudling.]
§ Amendment proposed: No. 114, in page 16, line 14, leave out 'not'.—[Mr David Steel.]
§ Question put, That the Amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 205, Noes 226.
661| Division No. 381.] | AYES | [4.16 p.m. |
| Abse, Leo | de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey | Hughes, Mark (Durham) |
| Albu, Austen | Delargy, H. J. | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) |
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) | Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund | Hughes, Roy (Newport) |
| Allen, Scholefield | Dempsey, James | Janner, Greville |
| Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) | Doig, Peter | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Dormand, J. D. | Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) |
| Ashley, Jack | Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) |
| Ashton, Joe | Douglas-Marnn, Bruce | Johnson, Walter (Derby, 8.) |
| Atkinson, Norman | Driberg, Tom | Jones, Dan (Burnley) |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Duffy, A. E. P. | Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham. S.) |
| Barnes, Michael | Dunn, James A. | Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) |
| Barnett, Joel | Dunnett, Jack | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) |
| Beaney, Alan | Edeiman, Maurice | Kaufman, Gerald |
| Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Edwards, Robert (Bilston) | Lambie, David |
| Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) | Edwards, William (Merioneth) | Lamond, James |
| Bidwell, Sydney | English, Michael | Latham, Arthur |
| Bishop, E. S. | Evans, Fred | Lawson, George |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Fisher, Mrs. Doris (B'ham, Lady wood) | Leonard, Dick |
| Boardman, H. (Leigh) | Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | Lestor, Miss Joan |
| Booth, Albert | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) |
| Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur | Foley, Maurice | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) |
| Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) | Foot, Michael | Lipton, Marcus |
| Buchan, Norman | Ford, Ben | Loughlin, Charles |
| Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) | Forrester, John | McBride, Neil |
| Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) | Freeson, Reginald | McCartney, Hugh |
| Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James | Gilbert, Dr. John | McElhone, Frank |
| Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) | Ginsburg, David | McGuire, Michael |
| Cant, R. B. | Gourlay, Harry | Mackenzie, Gregor |
| Carmichael, Neil | Grant, George (Morpeth) | Mackie, John |
| Carter, Ray (Birmingham, Northfield) | Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) | Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) | McNamara, J. Kevin |
| Clark, David (Colne Valley) | Griffiths, Will (Exchange) | Marion, Simon (Bootle) |
| Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) | Grimond, Rt. Hn. J. | Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) |
| Cohen, Stanley | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) |
| Concannon, J. D. | Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) | Marsden, F. |
| Conlan, Bernard | Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) | Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy |
| Corbet, Mrs. Freda | Hardy, Peter | Mayhew, Christopher |
| Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) | Harper, Joseph | Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Merdelson, John |
| Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith | Millan, Bruce |
| Dalyell, Tarn | Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis | Milne, Edward (Blyth) |
| Davies, Denzil (Lianetly) | Heffer, Eric S. | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) |
| Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Horam, John | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.) | Huckfield, Leslie | Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) |
| Deakins, Eric | Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) | Mcyle, Roland |
| Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Roberts, R t. H n. Goronwy (Caernarvon) | Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy |
| Murray, Ronald King | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Tomney, Frank |
| Ogden, Eric | Roderick. CaerwynE. (Br'c'n&R'dnor) | Torney, Tom |
| O'Malley, Brian | Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees) | Urwin, T. W. |
| Oram, Bert | Roper, John | Varley, Eric G. |
| Orme, Stanley | Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock) | Wainwright, Edwin |
| Oswald, Thomas | Shore, Rt. Hfl. Peter (Stepney) | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Paget, R. T. | Short, Mrs. Renee (W'hampton. N. E.) | Wallace, George |
| Palmer, Arthur | Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) | Watklns, David |
| Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles | Sillars, James | Weltzman, David |
| Pavitt, Laurie | Silverman, Julius | Wellbeloved, James |
| Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred | Skinner, Dennis | Wells, William (Walsall, N.) |
| Pendry, Tom | Small, William | White, James (Glasgow, Pollok) |
| Pentland, Norman | Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.) | Whitehead, Phillip |
| Perry, Ernest G. | Spearing, Nigel | Whitlock, William |
| Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. | Spriggs, Leslie | Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) |
| Prescott, John | Stoddart, David (Swindon) | Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchln) |
| Price, William (Rugby) | Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John | Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton) |
| Probert, Arthur | Strang, Gavin | Woof, Robert |
| Rankin, John | Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. | |
| Reed, O. (Sedgefield) | Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley | TELLERS FOR THE AYES |
| Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) | Swain, Thomas | Mr. David Steel and |
| Rhodes, Geoffrey | Thomas, Rt. Hn. George (Cardiff, W.) | Mr. John Golding. |
| Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) | |
| NOSE | ||
| Adley, Robert | Fowler, Norman | McMaster, Stanley |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Fox, Marcus | McNair-Wilson, Michael |
| Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) | Fraser, Rt. Hn. Hugh (St'fford & Stone) | Maddan, Martin |
| Astor, John | Calbraith, Hn. T. G. | Madel, David |
| Awdry, Daniel | Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) | Maginnis, John E. |
| Batsford, Brian | Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) | Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest |
| Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Glyn, Dr. Alan | Marten, Neil |
| Bell, Ronald | Goodnew, Victor | Maude, Angus |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) | Gorst, John | Maudlins, Rt. Hn. Reginald |
| Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) | Cower, Raymond | Mawby, Ray |
| Biffen, John | Gray, Hamish | Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Green, Alan | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Blaker, Peter | Grylls, Michael | Mills, Peter (Torrington) |
| Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S. W.) | Gummer, Selwyn | Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) |
| Boscawen, Robert | Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) |
| Bossom, Sir Clive | Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Moate, Roger |
| Bowden, Andrew | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Molyneaux, James |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Hannam, John (Exeter) | Money, Ernle |
| Bray, Ronald | Harrison, Brian (Maldon) | Monks, Mrs. Connie |
| Brinton, Sir Tatton | Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Monro, Hector |
| Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher | Haselhurst, Alan | Montgomery, Fergus |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Hay, John | More, Jasper |
| Bruce-Gardyne, J. | Heseltine, Michael | Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) |
| Bryan, Paul | Hicks, Robert | Morgan-Giles, Rear Adm. |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) | Hiley, Joseph | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) |
| Bullus, Sir Eric | Hill, James (Southampton, Test) | Mudd, David |
| Campbell, Rt. Hn. G. (Moray&Nairn) | Holland, Philip | Murton, Oscar |
| Carlisle, Mark | Holt, Miss Mary | Neave, Airey |
| Channon, Paul | Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hn. Dame Patricia | Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael |
| Chapman, Sydney | Howell, David (Guildford) | Normanton, Tom |
| Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher | Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) | Nott, John |
| Chichester-Clark, R | Hutchison, Michael Clark | Onslow, Cranley |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Iremonger, T. L. | Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally |
| Cooke, Robert | James, David | Orr, Capt. L. P. S |
| Coombs, Derek | Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) | Osborn, John |
| Cooper, A. E. | Jennings, J. C. (Burton) | Page, John (Harrow, W.) |
| Cormack, Patrick | Jessel, Toby | Percival, Ian |
| Costain, A. P. | Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) | Pike, Miss Mervyn |
| Critchley, Julian | Jopling, Michael | Pink, R. Bonner |
| Crouch, David | Kaberry, Sir Donald | Pounder, Rafton |
| Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) | Kimball, Marcus | Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch |
| d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry | King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) | Price, David (Eastleigh) |
| d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj.-Gen. James | King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L. |
| Dixon, Piers | Kinsey, J. R. | Proudfoot, Wilfred |
| Drayson, G. B. | Knox, David | Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis |
| Eden, Sir John | Lane, David | Quennell, Miss J. M. |
| Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Langford-Holt, Sir John | Raison, Timothy |
| Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.) | Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry | Redmond, Robert |
| Eyre, Reginald | Le Marchant, Spencer | Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) |
| Farr, John | Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey (Sut'nC'dfield) | Rees, Peter (Dover) |
| Fell, Anthony | Longden, Gilbert | Ronton, Rt. Hn. Sir David |
| Fenner, Mrs. Peggy | Loveridge, John | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Fidler, Michael | Luce, R. N. | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) | Mac Arthur, Ian | Ridsdale, Julian |
| Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) | McCrindle, R. A. | Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | McLaren, Martin | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) |
| Fortescue, Tim | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | ||
| Rost, Peter | Stuttaford, Dr. Tom | Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester) |
| Russell, Sir Ronald | Sutcliffe, John | Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek |
| Scott, Nicholas | Tapsell, Peter | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Sharpies, Richard | Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) | Warren, Kenneth |
| Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) | Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow, Cathcart) | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Shelton, William (Clapham) | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Simeons, Charles | Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N. W.) | White, Roger (Gravesend) |
| Sinclair, Sir George | Tebbit, Norman | Wiggln, Jerry |
| Skeet, T. H. H. | Temple, John M. | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mlngton) | Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Soref, Harold | Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth) | Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher |
| Speed, Keith | Thomas, Rt Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.) | Woodnutt, Mark |
| Spence, John | Trafford, Dr. Anthony | Worsley, Marcus |
| Sproat, Iain | Trew, Peter | Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R. |
| Stainton, Keith | Tugendhat, Christopher | Younger, Hn. George |
| Stanbrook, Ivor | Turton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin | |
| Stewart-Smith, D. G. (Belper) | van Straubenzee, W. R. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.) | Vaughan, Dr. Gerard | Mr. Paul Hawkins and |
| Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. | Waddington, David | Mr. Walter Clegg. |
| Stokes, John |