§ COMPENSATION FOR LOSS OF EMPLOYMENT ETC.
§ Mr. Michael HeseltineI beg to move Amendment No. 442, in page 165, line 41, at end insert:
(b) the revocation under paragraph 10(1) of Schedule 6 to this Act of any consent; or.I think that we can make progress very quickly on this very simple Amendment. We are seeking an entirely permissive power to be built into the legislation. It is merely to add certain words to Clause 126 which provides for compensation for loss of employment in certain specified circumstances. We wish to provide that any operator who loses his licence under a passenger transport authority shall be eligible under Schedule 6 provisions— there is nothing to suggest that it should be mandatory—for compensation under this Clause.Where an operator loses his licence under Schedule 6 when he has been operating under a passenger transport authority, he might want to sell his business to the authority. By the normal means of valuing the business it could easily be that the net profits could be multiplied in a given formula, but an owner driver would get no compensation and he could find no alternative employment. It seems reasonable that the authority should take this into account and, if it thought that there was a case for compensation, to pay that compensation.
§ Dr. Dickson MabonThere is a generally accepted workable administration
§ system which both parties have operated on the question of compensation. To widen the traditional limits for compensation in nationalisation would open a great deal of difficulty, not least the consequences to the public purse. I must ask the Opposition to think again about this.
§ I know that the hon. Member for Tavistock (Mr. Michael Heseltine) is playing a new rôle, but he is far too modest in thinking that this would be a minor adjustment. It would be a great departure from the traditional forms of compensation which both parties have accepted for 20 years.
§ This Amendment would widen the provisions of Clause 126 relating to statutory compensation so that a person who suffers a loss of employment or loss or diminution of emoluments or pensions rights or worsening of his position which is attributable to the revocation of an operator's licence by a P.T.A. may become entitled to such compensation. I want the Opposition to think more about this. It would be quite wrong to bring these circumstances within the ambit of Clause 126. This is a new departure proposed by the Opposition.
§ I should like to think that this is a probing Amendment to open up a field of discussion, but I strongly counsel the House not to accept the Amendment.
§ Question put, That that Amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 214, Noes 244.
2023| Division No. 203.] | AYES | [12.34 a.m. |
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Awdry, Daniel | Batsford, Brian |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Baker, Kenneth (Acton) | Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton |
| Astor, John | Baker, W. H. K.(Banff) | Bell, Ronald |
| Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n) | Balniel, Lord | Berry, Hn. Anthony |
| Bessell, Peter | Hall-Davis, A G. F. | Pardoe, John |
| Biffen, John | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe) |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Harrison, Brian (Maldon) | Peel, John |
| Black, Sir Cyril | Harrison, Co,. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Percival, Ian |
| Blaker, Peter | Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere | Peyton, John |
| Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) | Harvie Anderson, Miss | Pike, Miss Mervyn |
| Body, Richard | Hastings, Stephen | Pink, R. Bonner |
| Bossom, Sir Clive | Hawkins, Paul | Pounder, Rafton |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel | Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch |
| Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward | Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward | Price, David (Eastleigh) |
| Braine, Bernard | Heseltine, Michael | Prior, J. M. L. |
| Brewis, John | Higgins, Terence L. | Pym, Francis |
| Brinton, Sir Tatton | Hiley, Joseph | Quennell, Miss J. M. |
| Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. Sir Walter | Hill, J. E. B. | Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James |
| Brown, Sir Edward(Bath) | Holland, Philip | Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter |
| Bruce-Cardyne, J. | Hordern, Peter | Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David |
| Bryan, Paul | Hornby, Richard | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus, N & M) | Howell, David (Guildford) | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas |
| Buck, Antony (Colchester) | Hunt, John | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) |
| Bullus, Sir Eric | Hutchison, Michael Clark | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) |
| Burden, F. A. | Iremonger, T. L. | Royle, Anthony |
| Campbell, Gordon | Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) | Russell, Sir Ronald |
| Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert | Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) | St. John-Stevas, Norman |
| Cary, Sir Robert | Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Scott, Nicholas |
| Chichester-Clark, R. | Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Clark, Henry | Kaberry, Sir Donald | Sharples, Richard |
| Clegg, Walter | Kerby, Capt. Henry | Shaw, Micheal(Sc'b'h & Whitby) |
| Cooke, Robert | Kershaw, Anthony | Silvester, Frederick |
| Cooper-Key, Sir Neill | Kimball, Marcus | Sinclair, Sir Geroge |
| Corfield, F.V. | King, Evleyn (Dorest, S.) | Smith, Dudely (W'Wick & L'mington) |
| Costain, A.P. | Kirk, Peter | Smith, John (London & W' minster) |
| Crouch, David | Kitson, Timothy | Speed, Keith |
| Crowder, F. P. | Knight, Mrs. Jill | Stainton, Keith |
| Cunningham, Sir Knox | Lambton, Viscount | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Lancaster, Col. C. G. | Stodart, Anthony |
| Dance, James. | Lane, David | Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon) |
| Davidson, James (Aberdeenshire) | Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry | Tapsell, Peter |
| Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) |
| Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford) | Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) | Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow, Cathcart) |
| Digby, Simon Wingfield | Lubbock, Eric | Taylor, Frank (Moss side) |
| Dodds-Parker, Douglas | MacArthur, Ian | Teeling, Sir William |
| Doughty, Charles | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy | Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret |
| Drayson, G. B. | McMaster, Stanley | Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H. |
| du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward | Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Eden, Sir John | Maddan, Martin | Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John |
| Elliot, Capt, Walter (Carshalton) | Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest | Vickers, Dame Joan |
| Erringthon, Sir Eric | Marten, Neil | Vickers, Peter (Worcester) |
| Eyre, Reginald | Maude, Angus | Wall, patrick |
| Fisher, Nigel | Mawby, Ray | Walter, Dennis |
| Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Mills, Peter (Torrington) | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Fortescue, Tim | Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) | Webster, David |
| Foster, Sir, John | Miscampbell, Norman | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Galbraith, Hn. T.G. | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| Gibson-Watt, David | Montgomery, Fergus | Williams, Donald (Dudley) |
| Giles, Rear-Adam, Morgan | More, Jasper | Wills, Sir Gerlad (Bridgwater) |
| Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk) | ||
| Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro) |
| Glyn, Sir Richard | Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles | Winstanley, Dr. M. P. |
| Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. | Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Goodhart, Philip | Murton, Oscar | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Goodhew, Victor | Neave, Alrey | Woodnutt, Mark |
| Cower, Raymond | Nicholls, Sir Harmar | Worsley, Marcus |
| Grant, Anthony | Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael | Wylie, N. R. |
| Grant-Ferris, R. | Nott, John. | Younger, Hn. George |
| Gresham Cooke, R. | Onslow, Cranley | |
| Grieve, Percy | Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | |
| Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Gurden, Harold | Page, Graham (Crosby) | Mr. R. W. Elliot and |
| Hall, John (Wycombe) | Page, John (Harrow, W.) | Mr. Hector Monro |
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| Albu, Austen | Bennett, James (G'gow, Bridgeton) | Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) |
| Aldritt, Walter | Binns, John | Brown, Bob(N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) |
| Anderson, Donald | Bishop, E. S. | Brown, R.W. (Shoreditch & F'bury) |
| Archer, Peter | Blackburn, F. | Buchan, Norman |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Blenkinsop, Arthur | Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.) | Boardman, H. (Leigh) | Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) |
| Bacon, Rt. Hn. Alice | Booth, Albert | Cant, R. B. |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Boyden, James | Carmichael, Neil |
| Barnes, Michael | Braddock, Mrs. E. M. | Carter-Jones, Lewis |
| Barnett, Joel | Bradley, Tom | Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara |
| Bence, Cyril | Brooks, Edwin | Coe, Denis |
| Benn. Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Broughton, Dr. A. D. D. | Coleman, Donald |
| Concannon, J. D. | Hunter, Adam | Page, Derek (King's Lynn) |
| Conlan, Bernard | Hynd, John | Paget, R. T. |
| Corbet, Mrs. Freda | Irvine, Sir Arthur (Edge Hill) | Palmer, Arthur |
| Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) | Jackson, Colin (B'h'se & Spenb'gh) | Park, Trevor |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Jackson, Peter M. (High Peak) | Parker, John (Dagenham) |
| Cronin, John | Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas | Parkyn, Brian (Bedford) |
| Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Jeger, Mrs.Lena(H'b'n & St.P'cras, S.) | Pavitt, Laurence |
| Cro[...]sman, Rt. Hn. Richard | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd) |
| Cullen, Mrs. Alice | Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) | Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred |
| Dalyell, Tam | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull W.) | pentland, Norman |
| Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) | Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn(W.Ham, S.) | Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.) |
| Davies, Ednyfed Hudson (Conway) | Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) | Prentice, Rt. Hn. R. E. |
| Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) | Price, Thomas (Westhoughton) |
| Davies, Dr. Ernest (Strctford) | Judd, Frank | Price, William (Rugby) |
| Davies, Harold (Leek) | Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham) | Probert, Arthur |
| Davies, Ifor (Cower) | Kerr, Russell (Feltham) | Rankin, John |
| Dell, Edmund | Lawson, George | Rees, Merlyn |
| Dempsey, James | Ledger, Ron | Reynolds, G. W. |
| Dewar, Donald | Lee, John (Reading) | Richard, Ivor |
| Diamond, Rt. Hn. John | Lestor, Miss Joan | Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon) |
| Dickens, James | Lever, Harold (Cheetham) | Robertson, John (Paisley) |
| Dobson, Ray | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Robinson, Rt. Hn. Kenneth(St.P'c'as) |
| Doig, Peter | Lomas, Kenneth | Robinson, W. O. J. (Walth'stow, E.) |
| Driberg, Tom | Lyon, Alexander W. (York) | Rodgers, William (Stockton) |
| Dunn, James A. | Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) | Roebuck, Roy |
| Dunnett, Jack | Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson | Rose, Paul |
| Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & c'b'e) | McBride, Neil | Ross, Rt. Hn. William |
| Eadie, Alex | MacColl, James | Shaw, Arnold (llford, S.) |
| Edwards, Robert (Bllston) | MacDermot, Niall | Sheldon, Robert |
| Edwards, William (Merioneth) | Macdonald, A. H. | Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney) |
| Ellis, John | McGuire, Michael | Short, Rt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne) |
| English, Michael | McKay, Mrs. Margaret | Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) |
| Ennals, David | Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) | Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Ensor, David | Mackie, John | Silverman, Julius (Aston) |
| Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.) | Mackintosh, John P. | Slater, Joseph |
| Faulds, Andrew | Maclennan, Robert | Small, William |
| Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) | Snow, Julian |
| Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | McNamara, J. Kevin | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Foley, Maurice | MacPherson, Malcolm | Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael |
| Foot, Rt. Hn. Sir Dingle (Ipswich) | Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) | Stonehouse, John |
| Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) | Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) | Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. |
| Forrester, John | Mallalieu, J. P. W.(Huddersflield, E.) | Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley |
| Fowler, Gerry | Manuel, Archie | Swain, Thomas |
| Fraser, John (Norwood) | Marks, Kenneth | Swingler, Stephen |
| Freeson, Reginald | Marquand David | Taverne, Dick |
| Galpern, Sir Myer | Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard | Thomas, Rt. Hn. George |
| Gardner, Tony | Mason, Rt.Hn. Roy | Thomson, Rt. Hn. George |
| Garrett, W. E. | Mayhew, Chirstopher | Tinn, James |
| Gourlay, Harry | Mendelson, J. J. | Urwin, T. W. |
| Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth) | Mikardo, Ian | Varley, Eric G. |
| Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Millian, Bruce | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley) |
| Gregory, Arnold | Walden, Brian (All Saints) | |
| Grey, Charles (Durham) | Miller, Dr. M. S. | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Griffths, David (Rother Valley) | Milne, Edwsrd(Blyth) | Watkins, David (Consett) |
| Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J. | Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) | Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor) |
| Hamling, William | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) | wellbeloved, James |
| Hannan, William | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | whitlock, William |
| Harper, Joseph | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) |
| Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Morris, John (Aberavon) | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch) |
| Haseldine, Norman | Moyle, Roland | Williams, Clifford (Abertillery) |
| Hattersley, Roy | Murray, Albert | Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin) |
| Hazell, Bert | Neal, Harold | Willis, Rt. Hn. George |
| Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis | Newens, Stan | Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton) |
| Howarth, Harry (Wellingborough) | Noel-Baker, Rt. Hn. Philip(Derby, S.) | Wilson, William (Coventry, S.) |
| Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.) | Norwood, Christopher | Winnick, David |
| Howie, W. | Ogden, Eric | Woof, Robert |
| Hoy, James | O'Malley, Brian | Yates, Victor |
| Huckfleld, Leslie | Orme, Stanley | |
| Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) | Oswald, Thomas | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Hughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.) | Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn) | Mr. Loan L. Evans and |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Owen, Will (Morpeth) | Mr. Ernest G. Perry. |