§ Report [22nd May] of the Business Committee (Finance Bill) to be considered forthwith.—[Mr. Roy Jenkins.]
§ Considered accordingly.
§ Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 43A (Allocation of time to Bills), That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution.
890§ The House divided:—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. The Tellers will announce the result of the Division.
§ Mr. R. J. Maxwell-Hyslop(Tiverton) (seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I will not take a point of order at the moment.
§ Ayes 283, Noes 229.
893| Division No. 164.] | AYES | [4.27 p.m. |
| Albu, Austen | Dickens, James | Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) |
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) | Dobson, Ray | Hughes, Roy (Newport) |
| Alldritt, Walter | Doig, Peter | Hunter, Adam |
| Allen, Scholefield | Driberg, Tom | Hynd, John |
| Anderson, Donald | Dunnett, Jack | Irvine, Sir Arthur |
| Archer, Peter | Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter) | Jackson, Peter M. (High Peak) |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e) | Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.) | Eadie, Alex | Jeger, George (Goole) |
| Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) | Ellis, John | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) |
| Bacon, Rt. Hn. Alice | English, Michael | Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford) |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Ennals, David | Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) |
| Barnes, Michael | Ensor, David | Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull W.) |
| Barnett, Joel | Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.) | Jones, Dan (Burnley) |
| Baxter, William | Evans, loan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley) | Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) |
| Beaney, Alan | Faulds, Andrew | Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) |
| Bence, Cyril | Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) | Kelley, Richard |
| Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Kenyon, Clifford |
| Bennett, James (G'gow, Bridgeton) | Foley, Maurice | Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Foot, Rt. Hn. Sir Dingle (Ipswich) | Kerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central) |
| Binns, John | Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) | Kerr, Russell (Feltham) |
| Blackburn, F. | Ford, Ben | Lawson, George |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Forrester, John | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Boardman, H. (Leigh) | Fowler, Gerry | Ledger, Ron |
| Booth, Albert | Fraser, John (Norwood) | Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton) |
| Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur | Freeson, Reginald | Lee, John (Reading) |
| Boyden, James | Galpern, Sir Myer | Lestor, Miss Joan |
| Braddock, Mrs. E. M. | Gardner, Tony | Lever, Harold (Cheetham) |
| Bray, Dr. Jeremy | Garrett, W. E. | Lever, L. M. (Ardwick) |
| Brooks, Edwin | Ginsburg, David | Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) |
| Brown, Rt. Hn. George (Belper) | Gourlay, Harry | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) |
| Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) | Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth) | Lipton, Marcus |
| Brown,Bob(Nc'tle-upon-Tyne,W.) | Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Lomas, Kenneth |
| Brown, R. W. (Shoreditch & F'bury) | Gregory, Arnold | Loughlin, Charles |
| Butler, Herbert (Hackney, C.) | Grey, Charles (Durham) | Luard, Evan |
| Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) | Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) | Lyon, Alexander W. (York) |
| Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James | Griffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly) | Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson |
| Cant, R. B. | Griffiths, Will (Exchange) | McBride, Neil |
| Carmichael, Neil | Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J. | McCann, John |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | MacColl, James |
| Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara | Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) | MacDermot, Niall |
| Chapman, Donald | Hamling, William | Macdonald, A. H. |
| Coe, Denis | Hannan, William | McGuire, Michael |
| Coleman, Donald | Harper, Joseph | McKay, Mrs. Margaret |
| Concannon, J. D. | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) |
| Conlan, Bernard | Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith | Mackie, John |
| Corbet, Mrs. Freda | Haseldine, Norman | Mackintosh, John P. |
| Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) | Hattersley, Roy | MacPherson, Malcolm |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Hazell, Bert | Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) |
| Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Healey, Rt. Hn, Denis | Mahon, Simon (Bootle) |
| Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard | Heffer, Eric S. | Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg) |
| Cullen, Mrs. Alice | Hilton, W. S. | Mallalieu, J.P.W.(Huddersfield, E.) |
| Dalyell, Tam | Hooley, Frank | Manuel, Archie |
| Darling, Rt. Hn. George | Horner, John | Marks, Kenneth |
| Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) | Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas | Marquand, David |
| Davies, Harold (Leek) | Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.) | Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey | Howell, Denis (Small Heath) | Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy |
| Delargy, Hugh | Howie, w. | Maxwell, Robert |
| Dell, Edmund | Hoy, James | Mayhew, Christopher |
| Dempsey, James | Huckfield, Leslie | Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert |
| Dewar, Donald | Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) | Mendelson, J. J. |
| Diamond, Rt. Hn. John | Hughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.) | Mikardo, Ian |
| Millan, Bruce | pentland, Norman | Stonehouse, John |
| Miller, Dr. M. S. | Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.) | Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. |
| Mitchelt, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) | Prentice, Rt. Hn. R. E. | Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley |
| Molloy, William | Price, Christopher (Perry Barr) | Swingler, Stephen |
| Moonman, Eric | Price, Thomas (Westhoughton) | Taverne, Dick |
| Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) | Price, William (Rugby) | Thornton, Ernest |
| Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Probert, Arthur | Tinn, James |
| Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Pursey, Cmdr. Harry | Tomney, Frank |
| Morris, John (Aberavon) | Randall, Harry | Urwin, T. W. |
| Moyle, Roland | Rankin, John | Varley, Eric G. |
| Murray, Albert | Rees, Merlyn | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley) |
| Neal, Harold | Rhodes, Geoffrey | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| Newens, Stan | Richard, Ivor | Wallace, George |
| Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon) | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Watkins, David (Consett) |
| Noel-Baker, Rt. Hn. Philip (Derby,S.) | Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon) | Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor) |
| Norwood, Christopher | Roberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.) | Weitzman, David |
| Ogden, Eric | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Wellbeloved, James |
| O'Malley, Brian | Robinson, Rt. Hn. Kenneth (St.P'c'as) | Whitaker, Ben |
| Oram, Albert E. | Rodgers, William (Stockton) | Whitlock, William |
| Orbach, Maurice | Roebuck, Roy | Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) |
| Orme, Stanley | Rogers, George (Kensington, N.) | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch) |
| Oswald, Thomas | Ross, Rt. Hn. William | Williams, Clifford (Abertillery) |
| Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn) | Rowlands, E. (Cardiff, N.) | Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin) |
| Owen Will (Morpeth) | Ryan, John | Willis, Rt. Hn. George |
| Page, Derek (King's Lynn) | Shaw, Arnold (llford, S.) | Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton) |
| Paget, R. T. | Sheldon, Robert | Wilson, William (Coventry, S.) |
| Palmer, Arthur | Shinwell, Rt. Hn. E. | winnick, David |
| Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles | Short, Rt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne) | woodburn, Rt. Hn. A. |
| Park, Trevor | Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) | Woof, Robert |
| Parker, John (Dagenham) | Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) | Wyatt, Woodrow |
| Parkin, Ben (Paddington, N.) | Silverman, Julius (Aston) | |
| Parkyn, Brian (Bedford) | Skeffington, Arthur | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Pavitt, Laurence | Small, William | Mr. Alan Fitch and |
| Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd) | Snow, Julian | Mr. Ernest G. Perry. |
| Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred | Spriggs, Leslie | |
| NOES | ||
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Crosthwalte-Eyre, Sir Oliver | Hastings, Stephen |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Crouch, David | Hawkins, Paul |
| Astor, John | Cunningham, Sir Knox | Hay, John |
| Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n) | Currie, G. B. H. | Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel |
| Awdry, Daniel | Dalkeith, Earl of | Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward |
| Baker, Kenneth (Acton) | Dance, James | Heseltine, Michael |
| Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) | Davidson, James (Aberdeenshire, W.) | Higgins, Terence L. |
| Balniel, Lord | d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry | Hiley, Joseph |
| Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) | Hill, J. E. B. |
| Batsford, Brian | Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford) | Hirst, Geoffrey |
| Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Digby, Simon Wingfield | Hogg, Rt. Hn. Quintin |
| Bell, Ronald | Doughty, Charles | Holland, Philip |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) | Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec | Hooson, Emlyn |
| Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos. & Fhm) | Drayson, G. B. | Hordern, Peter |
| Berry, Hn. Anthony | du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward | Hornby, Richard |
| Bessell, Peter | Eden, Sir John | Hunt, John |
| Biffen, John | Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) | Hutchison, Michael Clark |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Emery, Peter | Iremonger, T. L. |
| Birch, Rt. Hn. Nigel | Errington, Sir Eric | Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) |
| Black, Sir Cyril | Ewing, Mrs. Winifred | Johnston, Russell (Inverness) |
| Blaker, Peter | Eyre, Reginald | Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) |
| Boardman, Tom | Farr, John | Kaberry, Sir Donald |
| Body, Richard | Fisher, Nigel | Kerby, Capt. Henry |
| Bossom, Sir Clive | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Kershaw, Anthony |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Fortescue, Tim | King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) |
| Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward | Foster, Sir John | Kirk, Peter |
| Braine, Bernard | Galbraith, Hon. T. C. | Kitson, Timothy |
| Brewis, John | Gibson-Watt, David | Lambton, Viscount |
| Bromley-Davenport. Lt.-Col.SirWalter | Giles, Rear-Adm. Morgan | Lancaster, Col. C. G. |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) | Lane, David |
| Bruce-Gardyne, J. | Glyn, Sir Richard | Langford-Holt Sir John |
| Bryan, Paul | Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus, N&M) | Goodhew, Victor | Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) |
| Buck, Antony (Colchester) | Gower, Raymond | Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Selwyn (Wirral) |
| Bullus, Sir Eric | Grant, Anthony | Longden, Gilbert |
| Burden, F. A. | Gresham Cooke, R. | Lubbock, Eric |
| Campbell, Gordon | Grieve, Percy | McAdden, Sir Stephen |
| Carlisle, Mark | Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | MacArthur, Ian |
| Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert | Gurden, Harold | Mackenzie, Alasdair (Ross & Crom'ty) |
| Channon, H. P. G. | Hall, John (Wycombe) | Macleod, Rt. Hn. lain |
| Chichester-Clark, R. | Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | McMaster, Stanley |
| Clark, Henry | Hamilton, Lord (Fermanagh) | Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) |
| Clegg, Walter | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Maddan, Martin |
| Cordle, John | Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.) | Maginnis, John E. |
| Corfield, F. V. | Harrison, Brian (Maidon) | Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest |
| Costain, A. P. | Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere | Marten, Neil |
| Mawby, Ray | Pym, Francis | Temple, John M. |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. | Quennell, Miss J. M. | Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret |
| Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. | Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James | Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy |
| Mills, Peter (Torrington) | Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter | Tilney, John |
| Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) | Rees-Daviet, W. R. | Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H. |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Renton, Rt. Hn. sir David | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Rhys Williams, sir Brandon | Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John |
| Monro, Hector | Ridley, Hn. Nicholas | Vickers, Dame Joan |
| Montgomery, Fergus | Ridsdale, Julian | Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley) |
| Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey | Walker, Peter (Worcester) |
| Mott-Radclyfte, Sir Charles | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) | Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek |
| Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Wall, Patrick |
| Murton, Oscar | Royle, Anthony | Walters, Dennis |
| Nabarro, Sir Gerald | St. John-Stevas, Norman | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Neave, Airey | Sandys, Rt. Hn. D. | Weattierill, Bernard |
| Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael | Scott, Nicholas | Webster, David |
| Nott, John | Scott-Hopkins, James | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Onslow, Crarley | Sharpies, Richard | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) | Williams, Donald (Dudley) |
| Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian | Silvester, Frederick | Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater) |
| Page, Graham (Crosby) | Sinclair, Sir George | Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro) |
| Page, John (Harrow, W.) | Smith, Dudley (W'wick & Li'mington) | Winstanley, Dr. M. P. |
| Pardoe, John | Smith, John (London & W'minster) | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Pearson, sir Frank (Clitheroe) | 8peed, Keith | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Percival, Ian | Stainton, Keith | Worsley, Marcus |
| Peyton, John | Steel, David (Roxburgh) | Wright, Esmond |
| Pike, Miss Mervyn | Stodart, Anthony | Wylie, N. R. |
| Pink, R. Bonner | Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon) | |
| Pounder, Ratton | Tapsell, Peter | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch | Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) | Mr. R. W. Elliott and |
| Price, David (Eastleigh) | Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart) | Mr. Jasper More. |
| Prior, J. M. L. | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) |
§ Mr. Maxwell-HyslopOn a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Is it in order for the Government—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. The hon. Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) must leave the place where she is now standing, before the Table, and return to her place on the benches.
§ Dame Irene WardMr. Speaker, I wish to protest—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder.
§ Dame Irene WardI wish—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder.
§ Dame Irene WardI wish to protest, Mr. Speaker—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. If the hon. Lady wishes to protest, she must protest in a Parliamentary way from her place on the benches.
§ Dame Irene WardNo. Parliament no longer exists—
§ Hon. Members: Sit down.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I am sorry, but, if the hon. Lady will not obey the Chair, I shall have to name her.
§ Dame Irene WardI am very sorry, Mr. Speaker. I wish to protest—
§ Hon. Members: Name her.
894§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I name Dame Irene Ward.
§ The Lord Privy Seal and Leader of the House of Commons (Mr. Fred Peart)I beg to move,
That the hon. Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) be suspended from the service of the House.
§ Hon. Members: Shame.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. The Question is, That the hon. Lady the Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) be suspended from the service of the House.
The House proceeded to a Division; but no Member being willing to act as Teller for the Noes, Mr. Speaker declared that the Ayes had it.
§ Mr. SpeakerI must direct the hon. Lady to withdraw from the Chamber.
§ Dame Irene WardI still wish to make my protest.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder.
§ Dame Irene WardI have a right to make a protest. I am no longer in a position adequately to protect the interests of my constituents. Parliament is turning into a dictatorship, and I protest about it.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder.
§ Dame Irene WardI have a right to protest.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I must ask the hon. Lady now that she obey the directions of Mr. Speaker and that she leave the Chamber. The hon. Lady must not make it more difficult.
§ Dame Irene WardThe Government are preventing me from protecting the interests of my constituents.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. If the hon. Lady does not obey I shall have to call the Serjeant at Arms to conduct her from the Chamber. The hon. Lady must leave the Chamber.
The Serjeant at Arms will be pleased to conduct the hon. Lady from the Chamber.
§ The Serjeant at Arms came forward.
§ Dame Irene WardDo you want my right or my left arm?
§ The hon. Member then withdrew, escorted by the Serjeant at Arms.
§ Hon. Members: Out. Out. Out.
§
The following is the Report of the Business Committee:
That the following provisions shall apply to the remaining Proceedings in Standing Committee:—
§ Number of Sitting and division of Bill
§ 1.—(1) Thirteen days in all, including Wednesday 1st May and later days on which the Committee have already sat when these recommendations take effect, shall be allotted to the Consideration of the Bill by the Standing Committee.
§ (2) The Proceedings to be taken on the 9th to 13th days shall be as shown in the Table at the end of this paragraph.
§ (3) The Proceedings which are to be so taken on any day or days shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion at 11.20 p.m. on that day or as the case may be on the last of those days.
| TABLE | |
| Days | Proceedings |
| 9,10and 11 | All Clauses and related Schedules to the end of Part IV. |
| 12 and 13 | Parts V and VI and related Schedules to the end of the Bill. |
| New Clauses. | |
| Schedule 20. | |
| New Schedules. |
§ Supplemental
§ 2.—(1) At a Sitting of the Standing Committee at which any Proceedings are so to be brought to a conclusion the Chairman shall not adjourn the Committee under any Order relating to the Sittings of the Committee unless the Proceedings have been brought to a conclusion.
§ (2) In Proceedings on the Bill in the Standing Committee:—
- (a) no Motion shall be made relating to the sitting of the Committee except by a Member of the Government, and the Chairman shall permit a brief explanatory statement of the reasons for the Motion from the Member who moves, and from the Member who opposes, the Motion, and shall then put the Question thereon,
- (b) no Motion shall be made to postpone any Clause, Schedule, new Clause or new Schedule,
- (c) no dilatory Motion shall be made except by a Member of the Government, and the Question on any such Motion shall be put forthwith.
§ (3) On the conclusion of the Proceedings in the Standing Committee on the Bill the Chairman shall report the Bill to the House without putting any Question.
§ 3.—(1) For the purpose of bringing to a conclusion any Proceedings in accordance with these recommendations which have not previously been brought to a conclusion, the Chairman shall forthwith proceed to put the following questions (but no others), that is to say: —
- (a) the question or questions already proposed from the Chair, or necessary to bring to a decision a question so proposed (including, in the case of a new Clause or new Schedule which has been read a second time, the question that the Clause or Schedule be added to the Bill);
- (b) the question on any amendment or Motion standing on the Order Paper in the name of any Member, if that amendment or Motion is moved by a Member of the Government;
- (c) any other question necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded,
- and on a Motion so moved for a new Clause or a new Schedule, the Chairman shall put only the question that the Clause or Schedule be added to the Bill.
§ 4. That the Business Committee do meet again to make further recommendations as to the Proceedings on any recommittal and on report.
§ Report to lie upon the Table.