HC Deb 09 April 1968 vol 762 cc1222-9

The power of the Minister to acquire by compulsory purchase land which in his opinion is suitable for afforestation or for purposes connected with forestry shall not be exercised in relation to the purposes of section 18 of this Act.—[Mr. Gibson-Watt.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Mr. Gibson-Watt

I beg to move, That the Clause be read a Second time.

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Sydney Irving)

With this new Clause we can discuss Amendment No. 95, in page 46, line 54, Schedule 4, at end add:

15 & 16 Eliz. 2.c.10. Forestry Act 1967. In section 40(2) at end insert (e) land acquired under section 18 of this Act.
Mr. Gibson-Watt

Time is getting on and I shall be brief. We are proposing that the power of the Minister to give compulsory purchase power to the Forestry Commission to buy land for certain recreational purposes should be done away with. The Commission, under Section 9 of the Forestry Act, 1967, already has an eventual power of compulsory purchase with regard to afforestation, and afforestation is what the Commission was put there for by the House in the first place.

10.45 p.m.

My right hon. and hon. Friends and I do not exclude the fact that within the bounds of the Forestry Commission land, under certain circumstances, it is a sensible idea, for the provision of public enjoyment and recreation, to provide such things as have been noted in Clause 18. We cavil at the fact that Clause 18 gives the Minister compulsory powers to allow the Commission to provide accommodation for visitors, camping and caravan sites, places for meals and refreshments, picnic places, viewpoint stances, parking places, routes for nature study and footpaths, information and display centres, shops in connection with these facilities, and public conveniences.

Within the existing land that the Commission has, it is possible that these recreational and occupational provisions should be met. But it is wrong that the Minister should be given the power to give the Commission the power to look over its borders, rather on the lines of Naboth's vineyard, and say that it wants that piece of land in order to provide a hotel or a "loo". This is not right, and it is for this reason, without wasting further time, that I move this new Clause.

Mr. MacDermot

I must begin by advising the hon. Gentleman and the House that the new Clause would not achieve the hon. Gentleman's purpose. It would have no effect, for it refers to the power of the Minister to acquire by compulsory purchase, land, and so on. The Minister in the Bill is the Minister of Housing, except, in some cases, it is the Secretary of State for Wales. The Ministers concerned with the powers of compulsory purchase for the Forestry Commissioners are the forestry Ministers, the Agriculture Ministers. I point that out, not only to advise the House, as is my duty, of what would be the effect of that Clause, but also because it may be some reassurance, in view of the tone in which the Clause was moved, to know that the confirmation power is with the Minister of Agriculture. I hope that will assure the hon. Gentleman that before any such compulsory purchase order was confirmed, the interests of agriculture would be fully taken into account.

As I understand it, the forestry Ministers except to use the powers of acquisition under Clause 18 sparingly in any event. I am not talking just about their powers of compulsory acquisition, but their powers of acquisition in general. It would be an unusual circumstance, in our view, for it to be necessary to acquire any other land in order to facilitate the use of Forestry Commission land for amenity purposes.

We think it necessary to provide for the rare contingency that may arise, where for example, an access route near, but not on, its land was essential for purposes of a camping site, which was on its land. That being so, we regard the possibility of compulsory powers being used for these purposes as being even more remote. Nevertheless, we think it right to retain the right and power to acquire land compulsorily for that purpose, even though we think that it would be a most unusual eventuality for them to have to use their power. To deprive the Forestry Commission of these powers and withdraw them would be inconsistent with the other powers existing in the Bill to acquire land for amenity purposes. It would also incidentally produce the curious anomaly, in view of the provisions already contained in the Countryside (Scotland) Act, of giving one forestry Minister stronger powers than other forestry Ministers.

I would also remind the house of the provisions of Section 40 of the Forestry Act, 1967, because it is under that Section that any powers of acquisition would be used for this purpose. There are certain classes of land that cannot be compulsorily acquired under these powers; they include land which is the site of an ancient monument or other object of archaeological interest; land which forms part of a park, garden or pleasure ground or which forms part of the home farm attached to, and usually occupied with, a mansion house or is otherwise required for the amenity or convenience of a dwelling house; land which is the property of a local authority; land which has been acquired for the purpose of their undertaking by statutory undertakers; and land subject to a forestry dedication covenant or agreement which is being used and managed in accordance with a plan of operations approved by the Commissioners. So there are a number of restrictions on the powers of acquisition. To get the matter in true perspective, the real picture is that it is a last resort power and would be used only when the Forestry Ministers were satisfied that it was essential to enable the Forestry Commissioners to carry out their amenity responsibilities which they are acquiring under Clause 18.

Mr. Gibson-Watt

The hon. and learned Gentleman felicitously replied to my short speech with an equally short speech, but I do not agree with a word that he has said.

He referred to the fact that there would be rare contingencies, but that this would be a most unusual eventuality. He then went on to give the various exceptions where the Forestry Commission would rot and cannot, under the existing law, tike these compulsory powers. One of the exceptions was land which had already been dedicated by individuals to the growing of trees. With respect, if individuals have dedicated their land to the production of trees it would be taken for granted by any Minister of the Crown that no Forestry Commission would be able to come along and take it. This was a poor type of example to produce tonight.

The hon. and learned Gentleman did not answer my argument on this. My argument, which I will not repeat at great length, was that the Forestry Commission already has powers of the sort we are describing to get land for trees. But why should it be necessary for the Forestry Commission to have these powers for the provision of land for recreational purposes? My point was that the Forestry Commission, on the land that it already has, should be able to provide these types of recreation and it should be unnecessary for the Government to go in for further compulsory powers in this way.

We are in danger today in this and in other ways of blinding our people with the number of compulsory powers that the central Government are taking. I believe that some of the results which we are seeing, and the way in which certain parts of the country are reacting, have a definite connection with the compulsory purchase and overriding powers which in certain ways the central government are taking.

The hon. and learned Gentleman also mentioned the Ministers. I would point out that the Secretary of State for Wales acts as the Minister of Housing and is also in charge of forestry. In Wale:, we are dealing not with two Ministers, but one.

The hon. and learned Gentleman has not answered my argument. He has not proved to the House why it is necessary for the Forestry Commission to have these compulsory powers. I hope that my right hon. and hon. Friends will show their support by voting for the Amendment, unless the hon. and learned Gentleman says something rather more encouraging.

Dr. Bennett

I am always deeply suspicious when a Minister says, "These are powers which we do not expect to have to use", or "They are only marginal powers, and it would he extraordinary if we had to use them." The Minister's sweet words are never recorded on any document in the possession of a solicitor who has to fight an incursion by the Government on the lines adumbrated by a provision such as that which the new Clause seeks to moderate. Therefore, we should reject any idea of giving these powers which are to be used so sparingly. The whole idea is misconceived, and certainly I oppose it.

Question put, That the Clause be read a Second time:—

The House divided: Ayes 130. Noes 189.

Division No. 117.] AYES [10.14 p.m.
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Doughty, Charles Kitson, Timothy
Astor, John Drayson, G. B. Lane, David
Baker, Kenneth (Acton) Eden, Sir John Langford-Holt, Sir John
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Errington, Sir Eric Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Cos. & Fhm) Eyre, Reginald Loveys, W. H.
Biffen, John Fisher, Nigel Lubbock, Eric
Biggs-Davison, John Fletcher-Cooke, Charles MacArthur, Ian
Black, Sir Cyril Fortescue, Tim Mackenzie, Alasdair (Ross&Crom'ty)
Blaker, Peter Gibson-Watt, David Maclean, Sir Fitzroy
Boardman, Tom Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Maddan, Martin
Body, Richard Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Mawby, Ray
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Goodhew, Victor Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward Gower, Raymond Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.
Brewis, John Grant, Anthony Mills, Peter (Torrington)
Brinton, Sir Tatton Gresham Cooke, R. Miscampbell, Norman
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col.Sir Walter Grieve, Percy Monro, Hector
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Gurden, Harold More, Jasper
Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) Hamilton, Lord (Fermanagh) Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh)
Buck, Anthony (Colchester) Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Bullus, Sir Eric Hawkins, Paul Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh
Carlisle, Mark Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian
Channon, H. P. G. Hiley, Joseph Page, Graham (Crosby)
Chichester-Clark, R. Hill, J. E. B. Page, John (Harrow, W.)
Clark, Henry Holland, Philip Pardoe, John
Clegg, Walter Hornby, Richard Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe)
Cooke, Robert Hunt, John Peel, John
Costain, A. P. Iremonger, T. L. Percival, Ian
Cunningham, Sir Knox Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Pink, R. Bonner
Dalkeith, Earl of Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Pounder, Rafton
Dance, James Jennings, J. c. (Burton) Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) Jopling, Michael Prior, J. M. L.
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford) Kimball, Marcus Pym, Francis
Dodds-Parker, Douglas King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Quennell, Miss J. M.
Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Stainton, Keith Vickers, Dame Joan
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Steel, David (Roxburgh) Ward, Dame Irene
Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Stoddart-Scott, Col, Sir M. (Ripon) Webster, David
Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow, Cathcart) Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Royle, Anthony Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Scott, Nicholas Teeling, Sir William Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Sharples, Richard Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy Worsley, Marcus
Silvester, Frederick Tilney, John Wright, Esmond
Smith Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Smith, John (London & W'minster) van Straubenzee, W. R. TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Speed, Keith Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John Mr. R. W. Elliott and
Mr. Humphrey Atkins.
NOES
Abse, Leo Griffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly) Norwood, Christopher
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Oakes, Gordon
Alldritt, Walter Hamling, William O'Malley, Brian
Anderson, Donald Hannan, William Orbach, Maurice
Archer, Peter Harper, Joseph Orme, Stanley
Armstrong, Ernest Harrison., Walter (Wakefield) Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn)
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.) Haseldine, Norman Owen, Will (Morpeth)
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) Hazell, Bert Padley, Walter
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Herbison, Rt. Hn. Margaret Page, Derek (King's Lynn)
Beaney, Alan Hilton, W. S. Palmer, Arthur
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Hobden, Dennis (Brighton, K'town Parker, John (Dagenham)
Bidwell, Sydney Hooley, Frank Parkyn, Brian (Bedford)
Binns, John Horner, John Pentland, Norman
Bishop, E. S. Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas Price, Thomas (Westhoughton)
Blackburn, F. Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.) Price, William (Rugby)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Probert, Arthur
Boston, Terence Howie, W. Richard, Ivor
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. Hoy, James Robertson, John (Paisley)
Brooks, Edwin Huckfield, Leslie Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) Hughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.) Rose, Paul
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Ross, Rt. Hn. William
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Hughes, Roy (Newport) Rowlands, E. (Cardiff, N.)
Cant, R. B. Hynd, John Shaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.)
Carmichael, Neil Jeger, Mrs. Lena (H'b'n&St.P 'cras, S.) Short, Rt.Hn.Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Carter-Jones, Lewis Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N.E.)
Coe, Denis Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Coleman, Donald Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Concannon, J. D. Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) Silverman, Julius (Aston)
Conlan, Bernard Kelley, Richard Skeffington, Arthur
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham) Small, William
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Lawson, George Spriggs, Leslie
Culien, Mrs. Alice Leadbitter, Ted Steele, Thomas (Dunbartonshire, W.)
Dalyell, Tam Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton) Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) Lee, John (Reading) Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford) Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Swain, Thomas
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Lomas, Kenneth Swingler, Stephen
Davies, Ednyfed Hudson (Conway) Loughlin, Charles Symonds, J. B.
Davies, Harold (Leek) Luard, Evan Taverne, Dick
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Thornton, Ernest
Dell, Edmund McBride, Neil Tinn, James
Dempsey, James McCann, John Urwin, T. W.
Dewar, Donald MacDermot, Niall Varley, Eric G.
Doig, Peter Macdonald, A. H. Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Dunn, James A. McGuire, Michael Walden, Brian (All Saints)
Dunnett, Jack McKay, Mrs. Margaret Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter) Mackenzie, Gregor (Ruttherglen) Wallace, George
Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e) Mackie, John Watkins, David (Consett)
Eadie, Alex Maclennan, Robert Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Edwards, Rt. Hn. Ness (Caerphilly) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Weitzman, David
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) McNamara, J. Kevin Wellbeloved, James
Ellis, John MacPherson, Malcolm White, Mrs. Eirene
Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley) Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) Whitlock, William
Faulds, Andrew Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Wilkins, W. A.
Fernyhough, E. Mallalieu, J.P.W.(Huddersfield, E.) Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Mapp, Charles Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Marks, Kenneth Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Marquand, David Williams, Clifford (Abertillery)
Foley, Maurice Maxwell, Robert Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) Mendelson, J. J. Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Ford, Ben Mikardo, Ian Winnick, David
Forrester, John Miller, Dr. M. S. Winstanley, Dr. M. P.
Fowler, Gerry Milne, Edward (Blyth) Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Galpern, Sir Myer Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) Yates, Victor
Garrett, W. E. Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)
Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Anthony Moyle, Roland Mr. Harry Gourlay and
Grey, Charles (Durham) Murray, Albert Mr. Charles Morris.
Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Noel-Baker, Rt.Hn.Philip (Derby, S.)
Division No. 118.] AYES [10.55 p.m.
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Goodhew, Victor Page, John (Harrow, W.)
Astor, John Gower, Raymond Pardoe, John
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n) Grant, Anthony Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe)
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Gresham Cooke, R. Peel, John
Baker, Kenneth (Acton) Grieve, Percy Percival, Ian
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) Pink, R, Bonner
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos. & Fhm) Gurden, Harold Pounder, Rafton
Biffen, John Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Biggs-Davison, John Hastings, Stephen Prior, J. M. L.
Black, Sir Cyril Hawkins, Paul Pym, Francis
Blaker, Peter Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel Quennell, Miss J. M.
Boardman, Tom Hiley, Joseph Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James
Body, Richard Hill, J. E. B. Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John Holland, Philip Ridley, Hn. Nicholas
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward Hornby, Richard Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Brewis, John Hunt, John Royle, Anthony
Brinton, Sir Tatton Iremonger, T. L. Scott, Nicholas
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Sharples, Richard
Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Silvester, Frederick
Buck, Anthony (Colchester) Jopling, Michael Smith, Dudley (Warwick&Leamington)
Carlisle, Mark Kimball, Marcus Speed, Keith
Channon, H. P. G. King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Chichester-Clark, R. Kitson, Timothy Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon)
Clark, Henry Lane, David Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow, Cathcart)
Clegg, Walter Langford-Holt Sir John Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Cooke, Robert Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Teeling, Sir William
Crouch, David Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy
Cunningham, Sir Knox Loveys, W. H. Tilney, John
Dalkeith, Earl of Lubbock, Eric Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Dance, James MacArthur, Ian van Straubenzee, W. R.
Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) Mackenzie, Alasdair (Ross&Crom'ty) Vaughan-Morgan, Rt, Hn. Sir John
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford) Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Vickers, Dame Joan
Dodds-Parker, Douglas Maddan, Martin Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Doughty, Charles Mawby, Ray Ward, Dame Irene
Drayson, G. B. Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Webster, David
Eden, Sir John Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Mills, Peter (Torrington) Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Emery, Peter Miscampbell, Norman Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Eyre, Reginald More, Jasper Worsley, Marcus
Fisher, Nigel Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Wright, Esmond
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Fortescue, Tim Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Gibson-Watt, David Nicholls, Sir Harmar Mr. R. W. Elliott and
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian Mr. Hector Monro.
Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Page, Graham (Crosby)
NOES
Abse, Leo Dempsey, James Hobden, Dennis (Brighton, K'town)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Dewar, Donald Hooley, Frank
Alldritt, Walter Dickens, James Horner, John
Anderson, Donald Doig, Peter Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas
Archer, Peter Dunn, James A. Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.)
Armstrong, Ernest Dunnett, Jack Howell, Denis (Small Heath)
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.) Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter) Howie, W.
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e) Hoy, James
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Eadie, Alex Huckfield, Leslie
Beaney, Alan Ellis, John Hughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.)
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Evans, Ioan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley) Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)
Bidwell, Sydney Faulds, Andrew Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Binns, John Fernyhough, E. Hynd, John
Bishop, E. S. Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Jackson, Colin (B'h'se & Spenb'gh)
Blackburn, F. Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Jeger, Mrs.Lena (H'b'n&st.P'cras, S.)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Foley, Maurice Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)
Boston, Terence Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.)
Brooks, Edwin Ford, Ben Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham)
Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) Forrester, John Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West)
Brown Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) Fowler, Gerry Kelley, Richard
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Galpern, Sir Myer Kerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central)
Cant, R. B. Garrett, W. E. Kerr, Russell (Feltham)
Carmichael, Neil Gourlay, Harry Lawson, George
Coe, Denis Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth) Leadbitter, Ted
Coleman, Donald Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Anthony Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton)
Concannon, J. D. Grey, Charles (Durham) Lee, John (Reading)
Conlan, Bernard Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Lestor, Miss Joan
Cullen, Mrs. Alice Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Dalyell, Tam Hamling, William Lomas, Kenneth
Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) Hannan, William Loughlin, Charles
Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Harper, Joseph Luard, Evan
Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford) Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.)
Davies, Ednyfed Hudson (Conway) Haseldine, Norman McBride, Neil
Davies, Harold (Leek) Hazell, Bert MacDermot, Niall
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Herbison, Rt. Hn. Margaret Macdonald, A. H.
Dell, Edmund Hilton, W. S. McGuire, Michael
McKay, Mrs. Margaret Padley, Walter Thornton, Ernest
Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) Page, Derek (King's Lynn) Tinn, James
Maclennan, Robert Palmer, Arthur Urwin, T. W.
McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Parker, John (Dagenham) Varley, Eric G.
McNamara, J. Kevin Parkyn, Brian (Bedford) Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
MacPherson, Malcolm Pavitt, Laurence Walden, Brian (All Saints)
Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) Pentland, Norman Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Price, William (Rugby) Wallace, George
Mallalieu, J.P.W.(Huddersfield, E.) Probert, Arthur Watkins, David (Consett)
Mapp, Charles Robertson, John (Paisley) Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Marks, Kenneth Rogers, George (Kensington, N.) Weitzman, David
Marquand, David Rose, Paul Wellbeloved, James
Maxwell, Robert Rowlands, E. (Cardiff, N.) White, Mrs. Eirene
Mendelson, J. J. Shaw, Arnold (Ilford, S.) Whitlock, William
Mikardo, Ian Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N.E.) Wilkins, W. A.
Miller, Dr. M. S. Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Milne, Edward (Blyth) Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) Silverman, Julius (Aston) Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Sherrington, Arthur Williams, Clifford (Abertillery)
Moyle, Roland Small, William Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Murray Albert Spriggs, Leslie Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Noel-Baker, Rt.Hn.Philip (Derby, S.) Steele, Thomas (Dunbartonshire, W.) Winnick, David
Norwood, Christopher Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Oakes, Gordon Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley Woof, Robert
O'Malley, Brian Swain, Thomas Yates, Victor
Orbach, Maurice Swingler, Stephen
Orme, Stanley Symonds, J. B. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn) Taverne, Dick Mr. Alan Fitch and Mr. John McCann.