HC Deb 07 July 1965 vol 715 cc1733-9

Amendment made: In page 28, line 25, at end insert: (2A) If the adjusted sale price and adjusted purchase price to be taken into account under

Schedule 6 to this Act in computing the amount of a gain accruing on a disposal of securities of one of the descriptions in Schedule (Capital gains: Government securities issued at a discount) to this Act are both within the exempt price range specified in that Schedule for those securities a gain accruing on that disposal shall not be a chargeable gain (and a loss so accruing shall not be an allowable loss) and if the range between those prices overlaps that exempt price range a proportion of a gain so accruing shall not be a chargeable gain, which shall be the proportion which the part of the range between those prices which overlaps that exempt price range bears to the whole of the range between those prices (and correspondingly a part of a loss so accruing shall not be an allowable loss).

In this subsection "adjusted sale price" means the amount of the consideration for the disposal and "adjusted purchase price" means the amount of the consideration for the acquisition (that is the acquisition by the person making the disposal), both adjusted, where the nominal amount of the securities being disposed of is not one hundred pounds, to represent a price for a nominal amount of one hundred pounds.—[Mr. MacDermot.]

Amendment proposed: In page 28, line 29, at end insert: (4) British Government securities shall not be chargeable assets.—[Mr. Peter Walker.]

Question put, That those words be there inserted in the Bill:—

The House divided: Ayes 274, Noes 279.

Division No. 243.] AYES [10.21 p.m.
Agnew, Commander Sir Peter Buchanan-Smith, Alick Dean, Paul
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Buck, Antony Digby, Simon Wingfield
Allan, Robert (Paddington, S.) Bullus, Sir Eric Dodds-Parker, Douglas
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Burden, F. A. Doughty, Charles
Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian Butcher, Sir Herbert Drayson, G. B.
Anstruther-Gray, Rt. Hn. Sir W. Buxton, Ronald du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward
Astor, John Campbell, Gordon Eden, Sir John
Atkins, Humphrey Carlisle, Mark Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)
Awdry, Daniel Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.)
Baker, W. H. K. Cary, Sir Robert Emery, Peter
Balniel, Lord Channon, H. P. G. Eyre, Reginald
Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Chataway, Christopher Farr, John
Barlow, Sir John Chichester-Clark, R. Fell, Anthony
Batsford, Brian Clark, Henry (Antrim, N.) Fisher, Nigel
Bell, Ronald Clark, William (Nottingham, S.) Fletcher-Cooke, Charles (Darwen)
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) Clarke, Brig. Terence (Portsmth, W.) Fletcher-Cooke, Sir John (S'pton)
Berkeley, Humphry Cole, Norman Foster, Sir John
Berry, Hn. Anthony Cooke, Robert Fraser, Rt. Hn. Hugh (St'fford & Stone)
Biffen, John Cooper, A. E. Galbraith, Hn. T. G. D.
Biggs-Davison, John Cooper-Key, Sir Neill Gammans, Lady
Birch, Rt. Hn. Nigel Cordle, John Gibson-Watt, David
Black, Sir Cyril Corfield, F. V. Giles, Rear-Admiral Morgan
Blaker, Peter Costain, A. P. Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, Central)
Bossom, Hn. Clive Courtney, Cdr. Anthony Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife)
Bowen, Roderic (Cardigan) Craddock, Sir Beresford (Spelthorne) Glover, Sir Douglas
Box, Donald Crawley, Aidan Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B.
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. J. Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. Sir Oliver Goodhart, Philip
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward Crowder, F. P. Gower, Raymond
Braine, Bernard Cunningham, Sir Knox Grant, Anthony
Brewis, John Curran, Charles Grant-Ferris, R.
Brinton, Sir Tatton Currie, G. B. H. Gresham Cooke, R
Brooke, Rt. Hn. Henry Dalkeith, Earl of Grieve, Percy
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Dance, James Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Davies, Dr. Wyndham (Perry Barr) Griffiths, Peter (Smethwick)
Bryan, Paul d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Grimond, Rt. Hn. J.
Gurden, Harold Mackenzie, Alasdair (Ross & Crom'ty) Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Hall, John (Wycombe) Mackie, George Y. (C'ness & S'land) Roots, William
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Royle, Anthony
Hamilton, Marquess of (Fermanagh) Macleod, Rt. Hn. Iain St. John-Stevas, Norman
Hamilton, M. (Salisbury) McMaster, Stanley Sandys, Rt. Hn. D.
Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.) McNair-Wilson, Patrick Scott-Hopkins, James
Harris, Reader (Heston) Maginnis, John E. Sharples, Richard
Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Maitland, Sir John Sinclair, Sir George
Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere (Macclesf'd) Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest Smith, Dudley (Br'ntf'd & Chiswick)
Harvey, John (Walthamstow, E.) Marten, Neil Smyth, Rt. Hn. Brig. Sir John
Harvie Anderson, Miss Mathew, Robert Soames, Rt. Hn. Christopher
Hastings, Stephen Maude, Angus Spearman, Sir Alexander
Hawkins, Paul Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald Speir, Sir Rupert
Hay, John Mawby, Ray Stainton, Keith
Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Stanley, Hn. Richard
Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Hendry, Forbes Meyer, Sir Anthony Stodart, Anthony
Higgins, Terence L. Mills, Peter (Torrington) Studholme, Sir Henry
Hill, J. E. B. (S. Norfolk) Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) Talbot, John E.
Hirst, Geoffrey Miscampbell, Norman Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Hobson, Rt. Hn. Sir John Mitchell, David Taylor, Edward M. (G'gow, Cathcart)
Hooson, H. E. Monro, Hector Teeling, Sir William
Hopkins, Alan More, Jasper Temple, John M.
Hordern, Peter Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Hornby, Richard Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles Thomas, Sir Leslie (Canterbury)
Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hn. Dame P. Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Hunt, John (Bromley) Murton, Oscar Thorpe, Jeremy
Hutchison, Michael Clark Neave, Airey Tiley, Arthur (Bradford, W.)
Iremonger, T. L. Nicholson, Sir Godfrey Tilney, John (Wavertree)
Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Nugent, Rt. Hn. Sir Richard Tweedsmuir, Lady
Jennings, J. C. Onslow, Cranley van Straubenzee, W. R.
Johnson Smith, G. (East Grinstead) Orr, Capt. L. P. S. Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) Osborn, John (Hallam) Vickers, Dame Joan
Jopling, Michael Osborne, Sir Cyril (Louth) Walder, David (High Peak)
Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith Page, John (Harrow, W.) Walker, Peter (Worcester)
Kaberry, Sir Donald Page, R. Graham (Crosby) Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Kerby, Capt. Henry Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe) Wall, Patrick
Kerr, Sir Hamilton (Cambridge) Peel, John Walters, Dennis
Kilfedder, James A. Percival, Ian Ward, Dame Irene
Kimball, Marcus Peyton, John Weatherill, Bernard
King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Pickthorn, Rt. Hn. Sir Kenneth Webster, David
Kirk, Peter Pike, Miss Mervyn Wells, John (Maidstone)
Kitson, Timothy Pitt, Dame Edith Whitelaw, William
Lagden, Godfrey Pounder, Rafton Williams, Sir Rolf Dudley (Exeter)
Lambton, Viscount Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
Lancaster, Col. C. G. Price, David (Eastleigh) Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Langford-Holt, Sir John Wise, A. R.
Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Prior, J. M. L. Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Pym, Francis Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Litchfield, Capt. John Quennell, Miss J. M. Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher
Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey (Sut'n C'dfield) Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James Wylie, N. R.
Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) Redmayne, Rt. Hn. Sir Martin
Longden, Gilbert Rees-Davies, W. R. Yates, William (The Wrekin)
Loveys, Walter H. Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David Younger, Hn. George
Lubbock, Eric Ridley, Hn. Nicholas
McAdden, Sir Stephen Ridsdale, Julian TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
MacArthur, Ian Roberts, Sir Peter (Heeley) Mr. Martin McLaren and
Mr. Ian Fraser.
NOES
Abse, Leo Brown, Rt. Hn. George (Belper) Diamond, Rt. Hn. John
Albu, Austen Brown, Hugh D. (Glasgow, Provan) Dodds, Norman
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Buchan, Norman (Renfrewshire, W.) Doig, Peter
Alldritt, Walter Buchanan, Richard Driberg, Tom
Atkinson, Norman Butler, Herbert (Hackney, C.) Duffy, Dr. A. E. P.
Bacon, Miss Alice Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Dunn, James A.
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James Dunnett, Jack
Barnett, Joel Carmichael, Neil Edelman, Maurice
Baxter, William Chapman, Donald Edwards, Rt. Hn. Ness (Caerphilly)
Bence, Cyril Coleman, Donald English, Michael
Bennett, J. (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Conlan, Bernard Ennals, David
Binns, John Corbet, Mrs. Freda Ensor, David
Bishop, E. S. Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.)
Blackburn, F. Crawshaw, Richard Evans, Ioan (Birmingham, Yardley)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony Fernyhough, E.
Boardman, H. Crossman, Rt. Hn. R. H. S. Finch, Harold (Bedwellty)
Boston, T. G. Cullen, Mrs. Alice Fletcher, Sir Eric (Islington, E.)
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Dalyell, Tam Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)
Bowden, Rt. Hn. H. W. (Leics S.W.) Darling, George Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston)
Boyden, James Davies, Ifor (Gower) Floud, Bernard
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Foley, Maurice
Bradley, Tom Delargy, Hugh Foot, Sir Dingle (Ipswich)
Bray, Dr. Jeremy Dell, Edmund Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale)
Broughton, Dr. A. D. D. Dempsey, James Ford, Ben
Fraser, Rt. Hn. Tom (Hamilton) McBride, Neil Robinson, Rt. Hn. K. (St. Pancras, N.)
Freeson, Reginald MacColl, James Rodgers, William (Stockton)
Galpern, Sir Myer MacDermot, Niall Rogers, George (Kensington, N.)
Garrett, W. E. McGuire, Michael Rose, Paul B.
George, Lady Megan L'oyd Mclnnes, James Ross, Rt. Hn. William
Ginsburg, David McKay, Mrs. Margaret Rowland, Christopher
Gourlay, Harry Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) Sheldon, Robert
Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Anthony Mackie, John (Enfield, E.) Shore, Peter (Stepney)
Gregory, Arnold McLeavy, Frank Short, Rt. Hn. E. (N'c'tle-on-Tyne, C.)
Grey, Charles Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N. E.)
Griffiths, David (Rother Valley) Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Silkin, John (Deptford)
Griffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly) Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Silkin, S.C. (Camberwell, Dulwich)
Griffiths, Will (M'chester, Exchange) Manuel, Archie Silverman, Julius (Aston)
Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J. Mapp, Charles Silverman, Sydney (Nelson)
Hale, Leslie Marsh, Richard Skeffington, Arthur
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Mason, Roy Slater, Mrs. Harriet (Stoke, N.)
Hamilton, William (West Fife) Maxwell, Robert Small, William
Hamling, William (Woolwich, W.) Mayhew, Christopher Snow, Julian
Hannan, William Mellish, Robert Soskice, Rt. Hn. Sir Frank
Harper, Joseph Mendelson, J. J. Spriggs, Leslie
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Mikardo, Ian Steele, Thomas (Dunbartonshire, W.)
Hart, Mrs. Judith Millan, Bruce Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael
Hattersley, Roy Miller, Dr. M. S. Stonehouse, John
Hazell, Bert Milne, Edward (Blyth) Stones, William
Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis Molloy, William Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Vauxhall)
Heffer, Eric S. Monslow, Walter Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Henderson, Rt. Hn. Arthur Morris Alfred (Wythenshawe) Swain, Thomas
Herbison, Rt. Hn. Margaret Morris, Charles (Openshaw) Swingler, Stephen
Hobden, Dennis (Brighton, K'town) Morris, John (Aberavon) Symonds, J. B.
Holman, Percy Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Sheffield Pk) Taverne, Dick
Horner, John Murray, Albert Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas Neal, Harold Thomas, George (Cardiff, W.)
Howarth, Harry (Wellingborough) Newens, Stan Thomas, Iorwerth (Rhondda, W.)
Howarth, Robert L. (Bolton, E.) Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon) Thomson, George (Dundee, E.)
Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Noel-Baker, Rt. Hn. Philip (Derby, S.) Thornton, Ernest
Howie, W. Norwood, Christopher Tinn, James
Hoy, James Oakes, Gordon Tomney, Frank
Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey) Ogden, Eric Tuck, Raphael
Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire) O'Malley, Brian Urwin, T. W.
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Oram, Albert E. (E. Ham, S.) Varley, Eric G.
Hunter, Adam (Dunfermline) Orbach, Maurice Wainwright, Edwin
Hunter, A. E. (Feltham) Orme, Stanley Walden, Brian (All Saints)
Hynd, H. (Accrington) Oswald, Thomas Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Irving, Sydney (Dartford) Owen, Will Wallace, George
Jackson, Colin
Janner, Sir Barnett Page, Derek (King's Lynn) Watkins, Tudor
Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Paget, R. T. Weitzman, David
Jeger, Mrs. Lena (H'b'n & St. P'cras, S.) Palmer, Arthur Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles White, Mrs. Eirene
Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Pargiter, G. A. Whitlock, William
Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) Park, Trevor (Derbyshire, S.E.) Wigg, Rt. Hn. George
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Parkin, B. T. Wilkins, W. A.
Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.) Pavitt, Laurence Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick
Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd) Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred Williams, Clifford (Abertillery)
Kelley, Richard Pentland, Norman Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Kenyon, Clifford Perry, Ernest G. Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham) Popplewell, Ernest Willis, George (Edinburgh, E.)
Kerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central) Prentice, R. E. Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Lawson, George Price, J. T. (Westhoughton) Wilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Leadbitter, Ted Probert, Arthur Winterbottom, R. E.
Ledger, Ron Pursey, Cmdr. Harry Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton) Randall, Harry Woof, Robert
Lee, Miss Jennie (Cannock) Rankin, John Wyatt, Woodrow
Lever, Harold (Cheetham) Redhead, Edward Yates, Victor (Ladywood)
Lever, L. M. (Ardwick) Rees, Merlyn Zilliacus, K.
Lewis, Arthur (West Ham, N.) Rhodes, Geoffrey
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Richards, Ivor TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Lipton, Marcus Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Mr. John McCann and
Loughlin, Charles Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon) Mr. Alan Fitch.
Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Robertson, John (Paisley)
Mr. MacDermot

I beg to move, Amendment No. 58, in page 28, line 35 at the end to insert: (5) A gain shall not be a chargeable gain if accruing on the disposal by any person of a decoration awarded for valour or gallant conduct which he acquired otherwise than for consideration in moneys or money's worth. This does the same in respect of the long-term tax as Amendment No. 12, which we have already passed, does in relation to short-term tax.

Sir D. Glover rose

Hon. Members

Hear, hear.

Sir D. Glover

I am so glad that the House unanimously applauds by intervention, particularly as on this occasion, for about the first time during our proceedings on the Bill, I rise to thank the Financial Secretary. I thank him for the help which he gave me as the hon. Member who moved an Amendment in Committee and to say that the hon. and learned Gentleman's Amendment is far better than the one which I then moved.

I apologise to the hon. and learned Gentleman for not being here earlier when he moved the other Amendment. I was attending a conference under the chairmanship of Mr. Speaker. If I could have been present, I should have been glad to pay my tribute then. I am very grateful for what has been done. This is a small cloud of wisdom coming into the Government's handling of affairs. [An. HON. MEMBER: "Do not spoil it".] I shall not spoil it. Even from me the Government can learn wisdom, and in this case they have done. I am certain that no one in the House wanted the Capital Gains Tax to be applied to decoration of this sort, and the point only needed to be drawn to the attention of the Treasury for it to be dealt with. It is a small item, and I am grateful to the Minister for accepting my Amendment in the way he has.

Amendment agreed to.