HC Deb 26 March 1963 vol 674 cc1133-41

3.47 p.m.

Mr. William Hamilton (Fife, West)

I beg to move, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to enable county councils, counties of cities and burghs with a population of not less than 25,000 to have all the powers of companies under the Companies Acts. There are four main reasons for my seeking to introduce the Bill. The first is what I can only describe as the shocking unemployment in Scotland, especially among the young people. The second is the complete and utter failure of the 1959 General Election "gimmick", the Local Employment Act. The third is the belief that local authorities can and should be allowed to play a much larger part in the solution of this problem. The fourth is the need to carry further the Government's new-found faith in the ability of public bodies and public enterprise to get the economy out of the stagnation in which it now wallows.

To deal with these reasons very briefly, the figures over the last twelve years show the extent to which the Scottish unemployment situation has deteriorated. In April, 1951, the unemployment in thousands in Scotland was 54.7. In April, 1962, after twelve years of this Conservative Government, that figure had risen to 79.9, an increase of very nearly 50 per cent. in Scotland alone.

The monthly averages show that the situation is much worse than that. In 1951, the monthly average was 53.4 thousand and in 1962 it was 83.1 thousand, an increase of 56 per cent. The current figure of unemployment in Scotland is 125,266—a post-war peak and a drop of only 564 in the last month in the total number of wholly unemployed. So there has been no impact, or scarcely any at all, as a result of the improvement in the weather. Indeed, for every vacancy in Scotland today there are 14 unemployed men chasing it.

The figures of youth unemployment represent what I can only term a criminal irony in National Productivity Year. At 9,432, the number of youths unemployed in Scotland is the highest of any region. No wonder the youth of the country is turning to the Labour Party, as every Gallup poll shows. They would be extremely foolish indeed to put their faith in people who deny them the basic right to work. In Fife alone we have had nearly a fourfold increase in youth unemployment in the last two years. Many boys, straight from school, have never had a job for more than a year. I have no apology to make for setting these facts before the House. I do not share the view of the Leader of the House of Lords, who said in an unemployment debate on 19th February last, that the House talked too much about the problem of unemployment.

Nor do I take the view of certain other Tory speakers, for example, John Clotworthy Talbot Foster Whyte-Melville Skeffington, who is, as all hon. Members know, the thirteenth Viscount Massereene and the sixth Viscount Ferrard. He said in that debate in another place that because we have the Welfare State the unemployed were not too badly off and were, in fact, becoming too choosey.

The noble Lord made those remarks because, he said, he had tried to get a gardener and an odd-job man at the employment exchange and was unable to get them because either the house which was offered was too big, or the wage was too small. I guess that the wage was too small, but he really thought, as a result of his experience, that they were becoming too choosey. He was talking about people who, of course, are living on unemployment rates. Let him and hon. Gentlemen opposite go outside the House now and they will see just what the problem is. They will see a large number of unemployed lobbying hon. Members.

The third reason for my seeking to introduce the Bill is the need to give local authorities new powers. They want much more imaginative work to do. They are responsible bodies. They are large associations of consumers of goods and services of all kinds and they have enormous purchasing power. At present, they rely too heavily for the supply of these goods on private firms, price rings and monopolistic agencies which make vast profits out of their activities.

I would like to give one or two examples of this. First, regarding common services. I do not see why local authorities should not operate their own banking services. Why should they not jointly undertake the flotation of loans through a central bureau? Why should they not have general powers to set up municipal savings banks, like the extremely successful one in Birmingham which has been going for many years?

Many local authorities in England undertake the production of goods. For example, Burnley, Sheffield and many others have their own printing works and I have received information which reveals that in Sheffield, in particular, this is an extremely impressive activity. The same could be applied to direct labour schemes for housing. I understand that in Sheffield, on eight schemes over the last five years, a saving of £½ million was achieved by the local authority in open competition with private enterprise.

I asked the Fife County Council for a list of certain items of equipment used in schools in the county and the amount spent on those items in the last year. The list includes text books, exercise books, paper and boards, stationery sundries, handwork materials, school furniture, science equipment, machine tools and many others. That is not a comprehensive list of all purchases, but the total value was £253,450. Of that, 68.75 per cent. came from firms in England and less than 32 per cent. from Scottish firms.

If local authorities could get together —and I am assuming that if the Bill reaches the Statute Book they will do so —in co-operation in consortia, which the Government are encouraging for school building purposes, and produce in their own factories goods for themselves, there would be tremendous scope for economies. Great advantages would be enjoyed by local authorities if they owned and controlled factories, for they could be sited in areas of high unemployment. They would enjoy the advantages of a known, certain and regular market, the work would be in Scotland rather than mainly in the south of England and a large supply of capital, at low rates of interest, would be forthcoming and no bad debts.

If time permitted I would give other examples of the benefits that would accrue, for there are many other possibilities. For instance, the cost of drugs used in Scotland under the National Health Service in 1961–62 was £7½ million. I have made attempts to find out which firms supplied the drugs, but even the Government are unable to give their sources of origin, athough I guess that they come mainly from firms in England. Why should these not be produced in publicly-owned factories?

My fourth reason for seeking leave to introduce the Bill is this. Since the 1959 election the Government have shown an increasing awareness of the importance of public enterprise; and I am glad to be able to say that. One of the first things they did after the 1959 election, having committed themselves to no more nationalisation, was to nationalise the Highland shipping services. My hon. Friends and I were glad to see that done because it represented the only way to solve the problem. Since then they have nationalised a big steel firm and have nationalised, or are about to nationalise, the major ports. Admiralty orders represent a growing nationalised concern and it is hoped that these orders will be pushed into the development districts. This is not being done to as great an extent as we would like.

For all these reasons, the Government should welcome my Bill. It is a natural, logical development; a step further towards their own policy, and I hope that the House will see fit to allow me to introduce it.

3.58 p.m.

Mr. Michael Clark Hutchison (Edinburgh, South)

The hon. Member for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton) has made his case with his customary charm and clarity, but the proposition that he has put forward will not be acceptable to my hon. Friends, nor to the majority of the electorate. What he is suggesting is a sort of back-handed nationalisation. He is recommending that local authorities in Scotland should have the powers of companies and engage in all sorts of trade and commerce.

I would like to examine the hon. Gentleman's proposition a little more closely, first, in the light of the powers local authorities already possess, and, secondly, as to what they would have if his Bill were enacted.

At present, county councils and large burgh councils in Scotland can promote developments by virtue of the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act, 1947. With the approval of the Secretary of State they can clear derelict sites, prepare land for industry, construct factory buildings for lease; and two or three authorities have already done this. In addition, plans for the redevelopment areas may include the providing of commercial and other buildings for lease and the setting aside of land for this purpose.

These tare wide and sufficient powers authorised by Parliament and I maintain that it is constitutional doctrine that local authorities in this country are given special powers by Parliament which are especially set out in statutes and that it is not acceptable that they should just be given wide general powers.

A company can conduct business, provided that it is lawful, in all sorts of ways. It can trade, manufacture, enter into leases and do any activity that the individual wishes provided that it is within the law and within its articles of memorandum. Furthermore, the objects of a company can be easily changed by resolution without reference to the court. Also the liabilities of members of a company are limited to the number of shares they hold.

The hon. Gentleman's idea bristles with difficulties. If such general powers were given to local authorities, there would be nothing to prevent Edinburgh Corporation setting up a steel works or making mousetraps; or it could start a shipping line or make toy trains. No doubt the Glasgow Corporation could make dustbins and then say that only that pattern would be acceptable to its cleansing department.

I should like to know what local authorities think about these proposals. Who would run all these activities? Would it be the town councils, or the paid officials? We are not given any information about this. Hon. Members opposite believe that if the State or a local authority runs a concern, it must turn to gold. I wonder whether they will ever learn. What would happen if a local authority started one of these concerns and it failed financially? I suppose that it would just be more money on the rates. The ratepayers would be asked to pump more money into it; or a new venture would be started, by which time, I imagine, the exodus of Scots to the South and abroad would be reaching gigantic proportions.

I do not think that the hon. Gentleman has made a very good case. It is purely one of nationalisation. We on this side are glad to know that the Labour Party is stilt wedded to this, because I have no doubt that it is a hobby-horse that will be trotted about in many different colours in the months to come. I have heard many Socialist ideas, but none so fatuous as the one put forward by the hon. Gentleman this afternoon.

Question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 12 (Motions for leave to bring in Bills and nomination of Select Committees at commencement of Public Business):—

The House divided: Ayes 154, Noes 216.

Division No. 77.] AYES [4.4 p.m.
Ainsley, William Castle, Mrs. Barbara Gourlay, Harry
Albu, Austen Chapman, Donald Griffiths, W. (Exchange)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Collick, Percy Gunter, Ray
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Crosland, Anthony Hale, Leslie (Oldham, W.)
Baird, John Crossman, R. H. S. Hannan, William
Barnett, Guy Cullen, Mrs. Alice Hart, Mrs. Judith
Baxter, William (Stirlingshire, W.) Darling, George Hayman, F. H.
Beaney, Alan Daviea, Harold (Leek) Healey, Denis
Bellenger, Rt. Hon. F. J. Davles, S. 0. (Merthyr) Henderson,Rt.Hn.Arthur(Rwly Regis)
Bence, Cyril Deer, George Herblson, Miss Margaret
Bennett, J. (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Delargy, Hugh Holman, Perey
Blackburn, F. Dempsey, James Howell, Charles A. (Perry Barr)
Blylon, William Donnelly, Desmond Howell, Denis (Small Heath/
Bottomley, Rt. Hon. A. G. Edelman, Maurice Hoy, James H.
Bowden, Rt. Hn. H. W. (Leics, s.W.) Edwards, Rt. Hon. Ness (Caerphilly) Hughes, Cledwyn (Anglesey)
Bowles, Frank Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayrshire)
Boyden, James Finch, Harold Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)
Bradley, Tom Fitch, Alan Hunter, A. E.
Bray, Dr. Jeremy Fletcher, Eric Hynd, H. (Accrington)
Brockway, A. Fenner Foot, Dingle (Ipswich) Irvine, A. J. (Edge Hili)
Brown, Rt. Hon. George (Belper) Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale) Irving, Sydney (Dartford)
Brown, Thomas (Ince) Forman, J. C. Jenkins, Roy (Stechford)
Butter, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Fraser, Thomas (Hamilton) Johnson, Carol (Lewieham, S.)
Carmichael, Nell Galpern, Sir Myer Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Paget, R. T. Stewart, Michael (Fulham)
Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Pargiter, G. A. Stones, William
Kelley, Richard Parker, John Strachey, Rt. Hon. John
Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. Parkin, B. T. Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Vauxhall)
King, Dr. Horace Pavitt, Laurence Stross,Dr.Barnett(Stoke-on.Trent,C.)
Lswson, George Peart, Frederick Swingler, Stephen
Lee, Frederick (Newton) Plummer, Sir Leslie Symonds, J. B.
Lee, Miee Jennie (Cannock) Prentice, R. E. Taverne, D.
Lever, L. M. (Ardwick) Price J. T. (Westhoughton) Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Llpton, Marcus Probert, Arthur Thomas, George (Cardiff, W.)
Loughlin, Charles Proctor, W. T. Thompson, Dr. Alan (Dunfermilne)
McCann, John Rankin, John Thomson, G. M. (Dundee, E.)
MacCoil, James Redhead, E, C. Timmoits, John
Mclnnes, James Reid, William Tomney, Frank
McKay, John (Wallsend) Rhodes, H. Warbey, William
MacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles) Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon) Watkins, Tudor
MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) Robertson, John (Paisley) White, Mrs. Eirene
Manuel, Archie Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.) Whitlock, William
Mapp, Charles Royle, Charles (Salford, West) Wigg, George
Mason, Roy Short, Edward Wilkins, W. A.
Melllsh, R. J. Silverman, Sydney (Nelson) Willey, Frederick
Mii donee, 4. Idwal (Wrexham) Paget, R. T. Stewart, Michael (Fulham)
Jones, T. W. (Merioneth) Pargiter, G. A. Stones, William
Kelley, Richard Parker, John Strachey, Rt. Hon. John
Key, Rt. Hon. C. W. Parkin, B. T. Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Vauxhall)
King, Dr. Horace Pavitt, Laurence Stross,Dr.Barnett(Stoke-on.TrentJC.)
Lswson, George Peart, Frederick Swingler, Stephen
Lee, Frederick (Newton) Plummer, Sir Leslie Symonds, J. B.
Lee, Miee Jennie (Cannock) Prentice, R. E. Taverne, D.
Lever, L. M. (Ardwick) Price J. T. (Westhoughton) Taylor, Bernard (Mansfield)
Llpton, Marcus Probert, Arthur Thomas, George (Cardiff, W.)
Loughlin, Charles Proctor, W. T. Thompson, Dr. Alan (Dunfermline)
McCann, John Rankin, John Thomson, G. M. (Dundee, E.)
MacCoil, James Redhead, E, C. Timmoits, John
Mclnnee, James Reid, William Tomney, Frank
McKay, John (Wallsend) Rhodes, H. Warbey, William
MacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles) Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon) Watkins, Tudor
MacPherson, Malcolm (Stirling) Robertson, John (Paisley) White, Mrs. Elrene
Manuel, Archie Robinson, Kenneth (St. Pancras, N.) Whitlock, William
Mapp, Charles Royle, Charles (Salford, West) Wigg, George
Mason, Roy Short, Edward Wllkins, W. A.
Melllsh, R. J. Silverman, Sydney (Nelson) Willey, Frederick
Miilan, Bruce Skeffington, Arthur Williams, W. R. (Openshaw)
Milne, Edward Slater, Mrs. Harriet (Stoke, N.) Willis, E. G. (Edinburgh, E.)
Mltchlson, G. R. Small, William Woof, Robert
Monilow, Walter Snow, Julian Yates, Victor (Ladywood)
Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon) Sorensen, R. W. Zilllaeus, K.
Noel-Baker,Rt.Hn.Phillp(Derby,S.) Soshlce, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Oram, A. E. Spriggs, Leslie Mr. W. W. Hamilton and Mr. Ross.
NOES
Aguew, Sir Peter Emmet, Hon. Mrs. Evelyn Kaberry, Sir Donald
Allason, James Errington, Sir Eric Kerr, Sir Hamilton
Arbuthnot, John Erroll, Rt. Hon. F. J. Kershaw, Anthony
Ashton, Sir Hubert Faroy-Jones, F. W. Kimball, Marcus
Awdry, Daniel (Chippenham) Flnlay, Graeme Kitson, Timothy
Balniel, Lord Fisher, Nigel Lancaster, Col. C. G.
Barber, Anthony Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Langford-Holt, Sir John
Barter, John Forrest, George Lehurn, Gilmour
Batsford, Brian Fraser, Ian (Plymouth, Sutton) Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Baxter, sir Beverley (Southgate) Freeth, Denzil Lilley, F. J. P.
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton CalnraHh, Hon. T. G. D. Linstead, Sir Hugh
Bell, Ronald Gammans, Lady Litchfield, Capt. John
Bevins, Rt. Hon, Reginald George, Sir John (Pollok) Lloyd,Rt.Hn.Geofrrey(8ut'nCd'field>
Bidgood, John C. Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, Central) Longbottom, Charles
Bitten, John Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) Longden, Gilbert
Biggs-Davison, John Clyn, Dr. Alan (Clapham) Loveys, Walter H.
Bingham, R. M. Goodhart, Philip Lubbock, Erie
Birch, Rt. Hon. Nigel Goodhew, Victor Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh
Bossom, Hon. Clive Gower, Raymond McAdden, Sir Stephen
Bourne-Arton, A, Gresham Cooke, R. MacArthur, Ian
Bowen, Roderic (Cardigan) Grimond, Rt. Hon. J. McLaren, Martin
Box, Donald Gurden, Harold Maclay, Rt. Hon. John
Boyle, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward Hall, John (Wycombe) Macleod, Rt. Hn. lain (Enfield, W.)
Brewis, John Hamilton, Michael (Wellingborough) MacmlUan, Maurice (Halifax)
Bromley-Davenport,Lt.-Col.SirWalter Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.) Macpherson.Rt.Hn.NialKDumfrles)
Brooman-White, R. Harrison, Brian (MaWon) Markham, Major Sir Frank
Brown, Alan (Tottenham) Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Marshall, Douglas
Buck, Antony Harvie Anderson, Miss Mathew, Robert (Honlton)
Bullard, Denys Hastings, Stephen Matthews, Gordon (Meriden)
Campbell, Cordon (Mciay & Nairn) Heath, Rt. Hon. Edward Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.
Cary, Sir Robert Henderson, John (Cathcart) Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.
Channon, H. P. G. Hicks Beach, MaJ. W. MIscampbeH, Norman
Chataway, Christopher Hill, Dr. Rt. Hon. Charles (Luton) Montgomery, Fergus
Chichester-Clark, R. Hill, Mrs. Eveline (Wythenshawe) Moore, Sir Thomas (Ayr)
Clark, William (Nottingham, S.) Hill, J. E. B. (S. Norfolk) More, Jasper (Ludlow)
Cooke, Robert Hirst, Geoffrey Morrison, John
Cooper, A. E. Hocking, Philip H. Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles
Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Holland, Philip Nabarro, Sir Gerald
Costain, A. P. Hollingworth, John Neave, Airey
Coulson, Michael Hopkins, Alan Nichotls, Sir Harmar
Crawley, Aldan Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hon. Dame P. Nicholson, Sir Godfrey
Cunningham, Knox Howard, Hon. G. R. (St. Ives) Noble, Rt. Hon. Michael
Curran, Charles Howard, John (Southampton, Test) Oakshott, Sir Hendrie
Dalkeith, Earl of Hughes-Young, Michael Orr-Ewing, C. tan
d'Avigdor-Goldsmld, Sir Henry Hulbert, Sir Norman Osborn, John (Hallam)
Digby, Simon Wlngfield Hurd, Sir Anthony Osborne, Sir Cyril (Louth)
Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. M. Irvine, Bryant God man (Rye) Page, Graham (Crosby)
Doughty, Charles James, David Page, John (Harrow, West)
Drayson, G. B. Jennings, J. C. Pannell, Norman (Klrkdale)
Duthie, Sir William Johnson, Dr. Donald (Carlisle) Pearson, Frank (Clitheroe)
Eden, John Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Peel, John
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Pickthorn, Sir Kenneth
Elliott,R.W.(Newc'tle-upon-Tyne,N.) Jones, Arthur (Northante, S.) Pllkington, Sir Richard
Millan, Bruce Skeffington, Arthur Williams, W. R. (Openshaw)
Milne, Edward Slater, Mrs. Harriet (Stoke, N.) Willis, E. G. (Edinburgh, E.)
Mltchlson, G. R. Small, William Woof, Robert
Monslow, Walter Snow, Julian Yates, Victor (Ladywood)
Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon) Sorensen, R. W. Zilllacus, K.
Noel-Baker,Rt.Hn.Phillp(Derby,S.) SosKice, Rt. Hon. Sir Frank TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Oram, A. E. Spriggs, Leslie Mr. W. W. Hamilton and Mr. Ross.
NOES
Agnew, Sir Peter Emmet, Hon. Mrs. Evelyn Kaberry, Sir Donald
Allason, James Errington, Sir Eric Kerr, Sir Hamilton
Arbuthnot, John Erroll, Rt. Hon. F. J. Kershaw, Anthony
Ashton, Sir Hubert Faroy-Jones, F. W. Kimball, Marcus
Awdry, Daniel (Chippenham) Finlay, Graeme Kitson, Timothy
Balniel, Lord Fisher, Nigel Lancaster, Col. C. G.
Barber, Anthony Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Langford-Holt, Sir John
Barter, John Forrest, George Lehurn, Gilmour
Batsford, Brian Fraser, Ian (Plymouth, Sutton) Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry
Baxter, sir Beverley (Southgate) Freeth, Denzil Lilley, F. J. P.
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D. Linstead, Sir Hugh
Bell, Ronald Gammans, Lady Litchfield, Capt. John
Bevins, Rt. Hon, Reginald George, Sir John (Pollok) Lloyd,Rt.Hn.Geofrrey(Sut'nCd'field>
Bidgood, John C. Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, Central) Longbottom, Charles
Bitten, John Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) Longden, Gilbert
Biggs-Davison, John Clyn, Dr. Alan (Clapham) Loveys, Walter H.
Bingham, R. M. Goodhart, Phllip Lubbock, Eric
Birch, Rt. Hon. Nigel Goodhew, Victor Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh
Bossom, Hon. Clive Gower, Raymond McAdden, Sir Stephen
Bourne-Arton, A, Gresham Cooke, R. MacArthur, Ian
Bowen, Roderic (Cardigan) Grimond, Rt. Hon. J. McLaren, Martin
Box, Donald Gurden, Harold Maclay, Rt. Hon. John
Boyle, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward Hall, John (Wycombe) Macleod, Rt. Hn. lain (Enfield, W.)
Brewis, John Hamilton, Michael (Wellingborough) Macmillan, Maurice (Halifax)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. Sir Walter Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N. W.) Macpherson. Rt. Hn. Niall(Dumfries)
Brooman-White, R. Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Markham, Major Sir Frank
Brown, Alan (Tottenham) Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Marshall, Douglas
Buck, Antony Harvie Anderson, Miss Mathew, Robert (Honiton)
Bullard, Denys Hastings, Stephen Matthews, Gordon (Meriden)
Campbell, Cordon (Mcray & Nairn) Heath, Rt. Hon. Edward Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.
Cary, Sir Robert Henderson, John (Cathcart) Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.
Channon, H. P. G. Hicks Beach, Maj. W. Miscampbell, Norman
Chataway, Christopher Hill, Dr. Rt. Hon. Charles (Luton) Montgomery, Fergus
Chichester-Clark, R. Hill, Mrs. Eveline (Wythenshawe) Moore, Sir Thomas (Ayr)
Clark, William (Nottingham, S.) Hill, J. E. B. (S. Norfolk) More, Jasper (Ludlow)
Cooke, Robert Hirst, Geoffrey Morrison, John
Cooper, A. E. Hocking, Philip H. Mott-Radclyffe, Sir Charles
Cordeaux, Lt.-Col. J. K. Holland, Philip Nabarro, Sir Gerald
Costain, A. P. Hollingworth, John Neave, Airey
Coulson, Michael Hopkins, Alan Nicholls, Sir Harmar
Crawley, Aldan Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hon. Dame P. Nicholson, Sir Godfrey
Cunningham, Knox Howard, Hon. G. R. (St. Ives) Noble, Rt. Hon. Michael
Curran, Charles Howard, John (Southampton, Test) Oakshott, Sir Hendrie
Dalkeith, Earl of Hughes-Young, Michael Orr-Ewing, C. Ian
d'Avigdor-Goldsmld, Sir Henry Hulbert, Sir Norman Osborn, John (Haliam)
Digby, Simon Wingfield Hurd, Sir Anthony Osborne, Sir Cyril (Louth)
Donaldson, Cmdr. C. E. M. Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Page, Graham (Crosby)
Doughty, Charles James, David Page, John (Harrow, West)
Drayson, G. B. Jennings, J. C. Pannell, Norman (Kirkdale)
Duthie, Sir William Johnson, Dr. Donald (Carlisle) Pearson, Frank (Clitheroe)
Eden, John Johnson, Eric (Blackley) Peel, John
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Pickthorn, Sir Kenneth
Elliott, R. W.(Newc'tle-upon-Tyne, N.) Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) Pilkington, Sir Richard
Pott, Percivall Smyth, Rt. Hon. Brig. Sir John Turton, Rt. Hon. R. H.
Prior, J. M. L. Spearman, Sir Alexander Tweedamuir, Lady
Proudfoot, Wilfred Speir, Rupert van Straubenzee, W. R.
Pym, Francis Stanley, Hon. Richard Vane, W. M. F.
Quennell, Miss J. M. Steward, Harold (Stockport, S.) Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Redmayne, Rt. Hon. Martin Studholme, Sir Henry Vosper, Rt. Hon. Dennis
Rees, Hugh Summers, Sir Spencer Wade, Donald
Ridley, Hon. Nicholas Tapsell, Peter Walker-Smith, Rt. Hon. Sir Derek
Robertson, Sir D. (C'thn's & s'th'Jd) Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) Wall, Patrick
Robinson, Rt. Hn. Sir R. (B'pool,s.) Taylor, Edwin (Bolton, E.) Ward, Dame Irene
Rodgers, John (Sevenoaks) Taylor, Frank (M'ch'st'r, Moss Side) Wells, John (Maidstone)
Ropner, Col. Sir Leonard Temple, John M. Williams, Dudley (Exeter)
Royle, Anthony (Richmond, Surrey) Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret Williams, Paul (Sunderland, S.)
Scott-Hopkins, James Thomas, Sir Leslie (Canterbury) Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
Seymour, Leslie Thompson, Sir Kenneth (Walton) Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Sharpies, Richard Thornton-Kemsley, Sir Colin Wood, Rt. Hon. Richard
Shaw, M. Thorpe, Jeremy Woodnutt, Mark
Skeet, T. H. H. Tiley, Arthur (Bradford, W.)
Smith, Dudley (Br'ntf'd & Chiswick) Touche, Rt. Hon. Sir Gordon TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Smithers, Peter Turner, Colin Mr. Clark Hutchison and
Mr. Forbes Headry.