HC Deb 10 February 1938 vol 331 cc1263-9
Mr. Attlee

May I ask the Prime Minister what will be the business for next week?

The Prime Minister

Monday: Conclusion of the Committee stage of the Coal Bill.

Tuesday: Second Reading of the Housing (Financial Provisions) Bill.

Wednesday: Consideration of Private Members' Motions. This will be the last Private Members' Motion day this Session.

Thursday: Committee stage of the Housing Money Resolution until 7.30 p.m.; Second Reading of the National Health Insurance (Amendment) Bill; remaining stages of the Blind Persons Bill and of the Population (Statistics) Bill; further progress will be made with the Dominica Bill [Lords]; consideration of outstanding Import Duties Orders.

Friday: Consideration of Private Members' Bills.

In the early part of the week we shall consider Amendments to the Unemployment Insurance Bill, which are expected to be received from another place.

On any day, if there is time, other Orders may be taken.

Mr. Attlee

May I ask the Prime Minister two questions with regard to Thursday's business? In the first place, the Housing Money Resolution is being set down only two days after the Second Reading of the Bill. In view of the fact that that Bill very gravely affects the housing financial provisions of the poorest local authorities in the country, is it not possible to postpone consideration of the Money Resolution, in order to give Members a longer time after the Debate in which to get in touch with their local authorities? Secondly, with regard to the outstanding Import Duties Orders, those outstanding Orders are very important, affecting the standard of life of some of the poorest people. Is it not possible to get these Import Duties Orders discussed at an earlier hour, especially in view of the very little information that is now given in the White Papers?

The Prime Minister

With regard to the Housing (Financial Provisions) Bill, the right hon. Gentleman will remember that the Bill itself has been in the hands of hon. Members since the 4th of this month. The Money Resolution will be put down to-night, so that I think there will be ample time for everybody to see what is in it. With regard to the Import Duties Orders, these are, as the right hon. Gentleman knows, exempted business, but I have no reason to suppose that it will be necessary to sit late in order to deal with them.

Mr. Benn

Would the Prime Minister be prepared to let the House know in tabular form how many times these additional taxes by way of Import Duties have been passed by Order of the House after 11 o'clock?

The Prime Minister

The right hon. Gentleman is assuming that the Import Duties Orders are going to be taken after 11 o'clock.

Mr. Benn

I was merely asking whether the right hon. Gentleman would cause a return to be issued for the information of the House.

Mr. Attlee

With further regard to Thursday's business, I notice that it is suggested that the time to be given to the Housing Money Resolution should be only till 7.30 p.m. That is but a short time for a very important subject, and I suggest to the Prime Minister that it is doubtful whether it will be possible to conclude the Debate by that hour. It is then proposed to take further stages of three other Bills, and then the Import Duties Orders. There is, therefore, every reason to fear that these will not come on very early, having regard to the time that the House may require for the Money Resolution.

The Prime Minister

I hope the right hon. Gentleman will not take it that, when I mentioned half-past seven, I was intending to tie the House down too strictly to that time. It was intended merely as an approximation. If further time should be required, we should be prepared to give it. With regard to the other Orders, although I know the list sounds a long one, these are matters which have already received a great deal of attention from the House, and there is no reason to think that any prolonged time will be required for them.

Mr. Buchanan

The Prime Minister is proposing to take on Thursday the Second Reading of a Bill dealing with National Health Insurance, which is not likely to be quite so easily dealt with. There is also another Bill which raises a rather important matter akin to National Health Insurance. In view of these facts, will not the Prime Minister reconsider the business for Thursday?

The Prime Minister

The National Health Insurance (Amendment) Bill is not really a big matter in itself. It arises out of a legal decision. I do not want the House to think we are attempting to drive them: our desire is to make things as easy as possible.

Mr. Attlee

With regard to the Import Duties Orders, since the beginning of this procedure the information given about these Import Duties Orders has become less and less. We have no information with regard to profits, no information as to where the goods come from, and no information as to labour conditions. We have to wait until after 11 o'clock to get any information at all, and that puts the House in very great difficulty.

Sir Archibald Sinclair

I should like to add my protest on this point. The Prime Minister has told us negatively that we ought not to assume that the Import Duties Orders will be taken after 11 o'clock, but they always have been on recent occasions. Will the Prime Minister give an assurance that they will be started well before 11 o'clock, so that we may have an adequate discussion on the important issues that will be raised?

The Prime Minister

I can only say that we will do our best, and hope that they will not need to be taken at a late hour.

Mr. Benn

Is the Prime Minister aware that, on the last occasion on which one of these Orders was brought before the House, the proceedings started after midnight; and would he consider, if I put a question down, granting a return showing on how many occasions these Orders have been taken after 11 o'clock?

The Prime Minister

As I have already mentioned, these Orders are exempted business. I will consider making a return, but I do not know that it will be of any assistance.

Mr. Attlee

I should like to put two other questions with regard to business. Do the Government intend, as has become the practice now, to give a day for a general discussion on Defence before the Debates take place on the Estimates; and how far is it intended to go to-night in the event of the Motion on the Paper for the Suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule being carried?

The Prime Minister

To the right hon. Gentleman's question about a Defence Debate the answer is "Yes." The arrangements will be made through the usual channels. With regard to the business to-night, the House will have heard, from the statement on business, that we are giving Monday for the conclusion of the Committee stage of the Coal Bill. I hope we shall be able to make such progress to-day that it will be unnecessary to ask the House to sit late. I think it should be our aim to reach a point in the Schedules before the House rises to-night that will ensure the conclusion of the Committee stage on Monday next, and I hope it will be possible to achieve that aim without sitting late.

Mr. Attlee

Will the Prime Minister, before the Defence Debate, issue a White Paper on Defence? It is a considerable time since we had a White Paper in any detail about the operations of the Minister for the Co-ordination of Defence and Defence organisation generally, and I suggest that it is time the House had it.

The Prime Minister

I shall be happy to do that.

Mr. Leach

The Prime Minister made an announcement referring to next Wednesday and private Members' business. Is that an undertaking that no private business Motion will be put down that night?

The Prime Minister

That is not a question which should be addressed to me. It is a matter for the Chairman of Ways and Means.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on the Coal Bill be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 250; Noes, 127.

Division No. 92.] AYES. [4.1 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lt. Col. G. J. Everard, W. L. Muirhead, Lt.-Col. A. J.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Findlay, Sir E. Munro, P.
Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. Fox, Sir G. W. G. Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H.
Albery, Sir Irving Furness, S. N. Nicholson, G. (Farnham)
Anderson, Sir A. Garrett (C. of Ldn.) Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir J. Nicolson, Hon. H. G.
Apsley, Lord Gluckstein, L. H. O'Connor, Sir Terence J.
Aske, Sir R. W. Clyn, Major Sir R. G. C. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. W. G. A.
Assheton, R. Graham, Captain A. C. (Wirral) Orr-Ewing, I. L.
Astor, Hon. W. W. (Fulham, E.) Grant-Ferris, R. Palmer, G. E. H.
Baillie, Sir A. W. M. Granville, E. L. Patrick, C. M.
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Peake, O.
Balniel, Lord Greene, W. P. C. (Worcester) Peat, C. U.
Barclay-Harvey, Sir C. M. Grettor. Col. Rt. Hon. J. Perkins, W. R. D.
Barrie, Sir C. C. Gridley, Sir A. B. Peters, Dr. S. J.
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Grigg, Sir E. W. M. Procter, Major H. A.
Beauchamp, Sir B. C. Guinness, T. L. E. B. Radford, E. A.
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm' b) Gunston, Capt. Sir D. W. Raikes, H. V. A. M.
Bennett, Sir E. N. Hacking, Rt. Hon. D. H. Ramsbotham, H.
Birchall, Sir J. D. Hambro, A. V. Ramsden, Sir E.
Bird, Sir R. B. Hannah, I. C. Rankin, Sir R.
Blair, Sir R. Hannon, Sir P. J. H. Rathbone, Eleanor (English Univ's.)
Boulton, W. W. Harbord, A. Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin)
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Hartington, Marquess of Rawson, Sir Cooper
Boyce, H. Leslie Harvey, Sir G. Rayner, Major R. H.
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.) Reid, Sir D. D. (Down)
Brocklebank, Sir Edmund Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Robinson, J. R. (Blackpool)
Brown, Brig.-Gom. H. C. (Newbury) Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Ropner, Colonel L.
Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan. Ross, Major Sir R. D. (Londonderry)
Bull, B. B. Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Rowlands, G.
Bullock, Capt. M. Higgs, W. F. Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R.
Burgin, Rt. Hon. E. L. Hills, Major Rt. Hon. J. W. (Ripon) Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A.
Butcher, H. W. Hoare, Rt. Hon. Sir S. Russell, Sir Alexander
Cartland, J. R. H. Holmes, J. S. Salmon, Sir I.
Hope, Captain Hon. A. O. J.
Carver, Major W. H. Hopkinson, A. Salt, E. W.
Cary, R. A. Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. L. Salter, Sir J. Arthur (Oxford U.)
Cayzer Sir C. W. (City of Chester) Horsbrugh, Florence Samuel M. R. A
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Howitt, Dr. A. B. Sanderson, Sir F. B.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n) Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Sandys, E. D.
Channon, H. Hudson, Rt. Hon. R. S. (Southport) Savery, Sir Servington
Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) Hulbert, N. J. Scott, Lord William
Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, s.) Hunter, T. Selley, H. R.
Clarrv, Sir Reginald Hutchinson, G. C. Shaw, Major P. S. (wavertree)
James, Wins-Commander A. W. H. Simmonds, O. E.
Clydesdale, Marquess of Jarvis, Sir J. J. Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A.
Cobb, Captain E. C. (Perston) Keeling, E. H. Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich)
Colville, Lt.-col. Rt. Hon. D. J Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) smith, L. W. (Hallam)
Conant, Captain R. J. E. Keyes, Admiral of the Fleet Sir R. Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen)
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Knox, Major-General Sir A. W. F. Somervell. Sir D. B. (Crewe)
Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'r S. G'gs) Lamb, Sir J. O. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) Leech, Sir J. W. Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J.
Craven-Ellis, W. Spears, Brigadier-General E. L.
Crooke, Sir J. S. Lees-Jones, J. Spens, W. P.
Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'l'd)
Cross, R. H. Lewis, O. Stewart, J. Henderson (File, E.)
Crossley, A. C. Liddall W. S. Storey, S.
Crowder, J. F. E. Lindsay, K. M. Stourton, Major Hon. J. J.
Cruddas, col. B Lipson, D. L. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Culverwell, C. T. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Davison, Sir W. H. Locker-Lampson, Comdr. O. S. Sutcliffe, H
De Chair, S. S. Lottus, P. C. Tasker, Sir R. I.
De la Bère, R. Mabane, W. (Huddertfield) Tate, Mavis C.
Denman, Hon. R. D. MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G. Taylor, C. S, (Eastbourne)
Denville, Alfred McEwen, Capt. J. H. F. Taylor, Vice-Adm. c. A. (Padd., S.)
Despencer-Robertson, Major J. A. F. McKie, J. H. Thomas, J. P. L
Doland, G. F. Macnamara, Capt. J. R. J. Thomson, Sir J. D. W.
Duckworth, Arthur (Shrewsbury) Macquisten, F. A. Touche, G. C.
Duckworth, w. R. (Moss Side) Magnay, T. Train, Sir J.
Dugdale, Captain T. L. Making, Brig.-Gen. E. Tree, A. R. L. F.
Duggan, H. J. Manning ham-Buller, Sir M. Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C.
Duncan, J. A. L. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.
Markham, S. F. Turton, R. H.
Dunglass, Lord Markham, S. F. Wakefield, W. W.
Edmondson, Major Sir J. Marsden, Commander A. Walker-Smith, Sir J.
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Mason, Lt.-Col. Hon. G. K. M. Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan
Ellis, Sir G. Maxwell, Hon. S. A. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Elmley, Viscount Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J. Warrender, Sir V.
Emery, J. F. Mellar, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) Watt, Major G. S. Harvie
Emmott, C. E. G. C. Mills, Sir F. (Leyton, E.) Wedderburn, H. J. S.
Emrys-Evans, P. V. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Whiteley, Major J. P. (Buckingham)
Emwistle, Sir C. F. Moore, Lieut.-Col. Sir T. C. R. Williams, H. G. (Croydon, S.)
Errington, E. Morgan, R. H. Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.) Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester) Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir A. T. (Hitchin)
Windser-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel G. Wood, Hon. C. I. C. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley Captain Waterhouse and Mr.
Wise, A. R. Young, A. S. L. (Partick) Grimston.
Withers, Sir J. J.
NOES.
Adams, D. (Consett) Green, W. H. (Deptford) Noel-Baker, P. J.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Oliver, G. H.
Attention, W. M. Grenfell, D. R Parker, J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddt'sbro, W.) Parkinson, J. A.
Ammon, C. G. Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Han. F. W.
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) Price, M. P.
Banfield, J. W. Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) Richards, R. (Wrexham)
Barnes, A. J. Hall, J. H. (Whitechallpel) Ridley, G.
Barr, J. Harris, Sir P. A. Ritson, J.
Batey, J. Hayday, A. Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Brom.)
Bellenger, F. J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.)
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Rothschild, J. A. dete
Benson, G. Hills, A. (Pontefract) Salter, Dr. A. (Bermondsey)
Bevan, A. Holline, A. Seely, Sir H. M.
Broad, F. A. Hopkin, D. Sexton, T. M.
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) Shinwell, E.
Buchanan, G. Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Simpson, F. B.
Burke, W. A. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C' thn's)
Cape, T. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Smith, E. (Stoke)
Charleton, H. C. Kelly, W. T. Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly)
Chater, D. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Smith, T. (Normanton)
Cluse, W. S. Kirby, B. V. Sorensen, R. W.
Cocks, F. S. Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. Stephen, C.
Cove, W. G. Lathan, G. Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-heSp'ng)
Cripps, Hon. Sir Stafford Lawson, J. J. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Daggar, G. Leach, W. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Leonard, W. Thorne, W.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Leslie, J. R. Thurtle, E.
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Logan, D. G. Tinker, J. J.
Day, H. Lunn, W. Tomlinaon, G.
Dobbie. W. Macdonald, G. (Ince) Viant, S. P.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) McEntee, V. La T. Walkden, A. G.
Ede, J. C. McGhee, H. G. Walker, J.
Edwards. Sir C. (Bedwellty) Maclean, N. Watson, W. McL.
Evans, D. O. (Cardigan) Mander, G. le M. Westwood. J.
Evans, E. (Univ. of Wales) Marshall, F. Whiteley, W. (Blaydon)
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. Maxton, J. Wilkinson, Ellen
Frankel, D. Montague, F. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
Gallacher, W. Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
Gardner, B. VV. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Young, Sir R. (Newton)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Muff, G.
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesey) Nathan, Colonel H. L. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Naylor, T. E. Mr. Groves and Mr. Mathers.
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