HC Deb 25 November 1937 vol 329 cc1411-7
Mr. Attlee

May I ask the Prime Minister whether he has any statement to make about the business for next week?

The Prime Minister

Monday, Second Reading of the Population (Statistics) Bill and Committee stage of the Money Resolution; Committee stage of the Blind Persons Bill, and if there is time, Second Reading of the Merchant Shipping (Superannuation) Bill (Lords), and of the Superannuation (Various Services) Bill.

Tuesday,—Conclusion of the Committee stage of the Air-Raid Precautions Bill by 7.30 p.m.; Consideration of a new Standing Order to carry out a recommendation of the Select Committee on Money Resolutions; Second Reading of the Public Works Loans Bill.

Wednesday,—Consideration of Private Members' Motions.

Thursday,—Second Reading of the Unemployment Insurance Bill and Committee stage of the necessary Money Resolution.

Friday,—Consideration of Private Members' Bills.

On any day, if there is time, other Orders may be taken.

Mr. Attlee

Do the Government propose to ask the House to sit late on Monday and Tuesday, as it is possible that the discussion might be protracted? In the event of Tuesday's proceedings not getting very far on the Air-Raid Precautions Bill, it might be that the business will not be finished till late, and can the Prime Minister say that the new Standing Order will not be entered upon at a late hour?

The Prime Minister

With regard to Monday, as far as I can see there is no reason to imagine that proceedings will be protracted, and certainly it is not intended to ask the House to sit late on that night. As regards Tuesday, if the proceedings on the Committee stage of the Air-Raid Precautions Bill should be protracted, then, of course, we shall take the consideration of the Standing Order later on.

Mr. Benn

When will the new Standing Order be published?

Mr. Attlee

Can the right hon. Gentleman give a day for the discussion of the report of the Commissioner for the Special Areas, as it is impossible to take it on Friday at this time of the year?

The 'Prime Minister

I am quite prepared to take that matter into consideration, and perhaps the right hon. Gentleman will communicate through the usual channels.

Mr. Maxton

Will there be an opportunity on Tuesday of discussing the report of the Committee that was set up on the matter of the Standing Orders generally, or are we to be permitted only to discuss this one Standing Order?

The Prime Minister

I do not think that is a question which should be addressed to me. It should be addressed to Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Maxton

If it is a question for the Speaker, I must certainly put it to him, but I should think what is put down on the Paper will decide what Mr. Speaker will say is in order or not. I put the question to the Prime Minister specifically: Are we to have an opportunity of discussing the report of the Select Committee, which was set up after a very widespread desire was expressed in all parts of the House, or are we to be denied the right of discussing it?

The Prime Minister

All we do is to put down the new Standing Order for consideration, and that will be available over the week-end. I cannot say what we can discuss.

Mr. Maxton

Surely it is for the Government to provide an opportunity for the discussion of the report of the Select Committee which they set up, and I want to ask whether this is to be the opportunity or whether some other opportunity-is to be provided?

The Prime Minister

I do not think I can add anything to what I have said. It is decided that it should take place on Tuesday.

Mr. Stephen

When the Prime Minister was asked about this matter, he suggested that there should be discussion through the usual channels as to whether an opportunity should be given. It was discussed through the usual channels, and I am asking the Prime Minister whether anything it going to be done in order to fulfil what was then indicated?

The Prime Minister

In view of the amount of public business to be transacted, I do not think I can undertake to give special time for a discussion of the Committee's report. Of course, I cannot say what would be out of order or what would be in order in the discussion on the new Standing Order.

Mr. Stephen

Is the Prime Minister not aware that the Government have decided to reject the main conclusion of the Select Committee; and, in these circumstances, ought not the House to have an opportunity of discussing the main conclusion of the Select Committee?

Motion made, and Question put: That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House.)"—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 250; Noes, 124.

Division No. 23.] AYES. [3.57 p.m.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Butler, R. A. Duggan, H. J.
Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. Campbell, Sir E. T. Duncan, J. A. L.
Albery, Sir Irving Cartland, J. R. H. Dunglass, Lord
Amery, Rt. Hon. L. C. M. S. Carver, Major W. H. Eastwood, J. F.
Anderson, Sir A. Garrett (C. of Ldn.) Cary, R. A. Edmondson, Major Sir J.
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Cayzor, Sir C. W. (City of Chester) Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E.
Apsley, Lord Cayzor, Sir H. R. (Portsmouth, S.) Ellis, Sir G.
Aske, Sir R. W. Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Emery, J. F.
Assheton, R. Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. N. (Edgb't'n) Emmott, C. E. G. C.
Astor, Hon. W. W. (Fulham, E.) Channon, H. Emrys-Evans, P. V.
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) Entwistle, Sir C. F.
Balfour, Capt. H. H. (Isle of Thanet) Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.) Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.)
Barrie, Sir C. C. Clarke, F. E. (Dartford) Everard, W. L.
Beauchamp, Sir B. C. Clarke, Lt.-Col. R. S. (E. Grinstead) Fildes, Sir H.
Belt, Sir A. L. Clarry, Sir Reginald Findlay, Sir E.
Bennett, Sir E. N. Conant, Captain R. J. E Fleming, E. L.
Bernays, R. H. Cook, Sir T. R. A. M. (Norfolk, N.) Fremantle, Sir F. E.
Birdsall, Sir J. D. Cox, H. B. Trevor Furness, S. N.
Blair, Sir R. Crooke, J. S. Ganzoni, Sir J.
Blaker, Sir R. Cross, R. H. Gibson, Sir C. G. (Pudsey and Otley)
Boothby, R. J. G. Crossley, A. C. Gluokstein, L. H.
Bossom, A. C. Crowder, J. F. E. Graham, Captain A. C. (Wirral)
Boulton, W. W. Cruddas, Col. B. Grant-Ferris, R.
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Culverwell, C. T. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.
Brocklebank, Sir Edmund Davidson, Viscountess Gretton, Col. Rt. Hon. J.
Brown, Col. D. C. (Hexham) Davison, Sir W. H. Gridley, Sir A. B.
Brown, Rt. Hon. E. (Leith) De la Bère, R. Grigg, Sir E. W. M.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Denman, Hon. F. D. Grimston, R. V.
Bull, B. B. Doland, G. F. Critten, W. G. Howard
Bullock, Capt. M. Donner, P. W. Gunston, Capt. D. W.
Burgin, Rt. Hon. E. L. Dorman-Smith, Major Sir R. H. Hannah, I. C.
Burton, Col. H. W. Drewe, C. Harbord, A.
Butcher, H. W. Duckworth, W. R. (Moss Side) Hartington, Marquess of
Harvey, Sir G. Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A.
Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.) Mills, Sir F. (Layton, E.) Smiles, Lieut.-Colonel Sir W. D.
Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich)
Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Mitchell, H. (Brantford and Chiswick) Smith, L. W. (Hallam)
Heneage, Lieut.-Colonet A. P. Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen)
Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan- Moore, Lieut.-Col. Sir T. C. R. Somervell, Sir D. B. (Crewn)
Herbert, A. P. (Oxford U.) Morris-Jones, Sir Henry Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.) Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J.
Higgs, W. F. Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester) Spears, Brigadier-General E. L.
Hills, Major Rt. Hon. J. W. (Ripon) Muirhead, Lt.-Col. A. J. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Hoare, Rt. Hon. Sir S. Munro, P. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'I'd)
Holmes, J. S. Nicholson, G. (Farnham) Stourton, Major Hon. J. J.
Hopkinson, A. Nicolson, Hon. H. G. Strauss, H. G. (Norwich)
Howitt, Dr. A. B. O'Connor, Sir Terence J. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Palmer, G. E. H. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Hudson, R. S. (Southport) Peaks, O. Sutcliffe, H.
Hunter, T. Peat, C. U. Tasker, Sir R.
Hutchinson, G. C. Perkins, W. R. D. Tate, Mavis G.
Jarvis, Sir J. J. Peters, Dr. S. J. Taylor, C. S. (Eastbourne)
Joel, D. J. B. Pickthorn, K. W. M. Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.)
Kerr, Colonel C. I. (Montrose) Pilkington, R. Thomas, J. P. L.
Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) Plugge, Capt. L. F. Thomson, Sir J. D. W.
Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.) Ponsonby, Col. C. E. Titchfield, Marquess of
Kimball, L. Pownall, Lt.-Col. Sir Assheton Touche, G. C.
Knox, Major-General Sir A. W. F. Procter, Major H. A. Train, Sir J.
Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. Radford, E. A. Tree, A. R. L. F.
Latham, Sir P. Ramsbotham, H. Turton, R. H.
Leech, Dr. J. W. Rathbone, Eleanor (English Univ's.) Walker-Smith, Sir J.
Leighton, Major B. E. P. Rathbone, J. R. (Bedmin) Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan
Levy, T. Rayner, Major R. H. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Lewis, O. Reid, Sir D. D. (Down) Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend)
Lindsay, K. M. Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead) Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.
Lipson, D. L. Reid, W. Allan (Derby) Warrender, Sir V.
Lloyd, G. W. Rickards, G. W. (Skipton) Waterhouse, Captain C.
Locker-Lampson, Comdr. O. S. Ropner, Colonel L. Watt, Major G. S. Harvie
Loftus, P. C. Ross, Major Sir R. D. (Londonderry) Wedderburn, H. J. S.
Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Royds, Admiral P. M. R. Wells, S. R.
Lyons, A. M. Russell, Sir Alexander Whiteley, Major J. P. (Buckingham)
Mabane, W. (Huddersfield) Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) Williams, C. (Torquay)
MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G. Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen) Williams, H. G. (Croydon, S.)
M'Connell, Sir J. Salmon, Sir I. Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
McEwen, Capt. J. H. F. Salt, E. W. Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir A. T. (Hitchin)
McKie, J. H. Salter, Sir J. Arthur (Oxford U.) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel G.
Maclay, Hon. J. P. Sandeman, Sir N. S. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Macnamara, Capt. J. R. J. Sandys, E. D. Withers, Sir J. J.
Macquisten, F. A. Savory, Sir Servington Wood, Hon. C. I. C.
Makins, Brig.-Gen. E. Scott, Lord William Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Selley, H. R. Young, A. S. L. (Partick)
Markham, S. F. Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree)
Maxwell, Hon. S. A. Shepperson, Sir E. W. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J. Simmonds, O. E. Captain Hope and Captain
Dugdale.
NOES.
Adams, D. (Consett) Frankel, D. Lawson, J. J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'Isbr.) Gallacher, W. Leach, W.
Ammon, C. G. Garro Jones, G. M. Leonard, W.
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Leslie, J. R.
Banfield, J. W. Green, W. H. (Deptford) Logan, D. G.
Barnes, A. J. Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Lunn, W.
Barr, J. Grenfell, D. R. Macdonald, G. (Ince)
Batey, J. Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) McEntee, V. La T.
Bellenger, F. J. Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) McGhee, H. G.
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. Groves, T. E. MacLaren, A.
Benson, G. Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) Maclean, N.
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Hall, G. H. (Aberdare) MacMillan. M. (Western Isles)
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (S. Ayrshire) Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Mainwaring, W. H.
Burke, W. A. Hardie, Agnes Mander, G. le M.
Cape, T. Harris, Sir P. A. Mathers, G.
Charleton, H. C. Mayday, A. Maxton, J.
Choler, D. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Milner, Major J.
Cluse, W. S. Montague, F.
Cove, W. G. Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.)
Daggar, G. Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Muff, G.
Dalton, H. Hicks, E. G. Naylor, T. E.
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Hills, A. (Pontefract) Noel-Baker, P. J.
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Hollins, A. Paling, W.
Day, H. Hopkin, D. Parker, J.
Dobbie, W. Jagger, J. Pethiok-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) John, W. Quibell, D. J. K.
Ede, J. C. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Richards, R. (Wrexham)
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) Kelly, W. T. Ridley, G.
Evans, E. (Univ. of Wales) Kirby, B. V. Riley, B.
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. Lathan, G. Ritson, J.
Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Brom.) Stephen, C. White, H. Graham
Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.) Stewart, W. J. (H'ghen-le-Sp'ng) Whiteley, W. (Blaydon)
Rothschild, J. A. de Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.) Wilkinson, Ellen
Salter, Dr. A. (Bermondsey) Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth) Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Sexton, T. M. Thorne, W. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
Short, A. Thurtle, E. Wilson, C. H. (Atterclife)
Silverman, S. S. Tinker, J. J. Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
Simpson, F. B. Viant, S. P. Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's) Walkden, A. G.
Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe) Walker. J. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Smith, E. (Stoke) Watkins, F. C. Mr. Anderson and Mr.
Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly) Watson, W. McL. Adamson.
Smith, T. (Normanton) Westwood, J.