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Motion made, and Question proposed,
That a number of Land Forces, not exceeding 149,500, all ranks, be maintained for the Service of the United Kingdom at home and abroad, excluding His Majesty's Indian Possessions (other than Aden), during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1935.
§ 10.55 p.m.
§ Mr. MAXTONI do not want to detain the Committee at this late hour, but my friends and I have each year taken the opportunity of the Service Estimates of giving a vote in favour of our point of view—namely, total disarmament. This evening with other important business to be taken I will not go into the reasons for our attitude. We have made them clear on many previous occasions, and they have been amply reinforced by the various discussions which have taken place on the various Estimates which have been presented, because the general
§ lessons which we have learned from the speeches of experts on these matters is that it is hopeless for a nation to defend itself against attack. If that is proved by the experts then it is rather a waste of public money to make preparations for defence, which in the eyes of those who seem to know are quite hopeless. Without delaying the Committee in any way I merely want to intimate that my friends and I propose to divide against this Vote.
§ 10.57 p.m.
§ Mr. LAWSONMay I also say that we are going to vote as we have expressed ourselves during the Debate, against this Vote, but not for the same reasons as the hon. Member for Bridgeton (Mr. Maxton), but because the Vote involves an increase in numbers.
§ Question put.
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 171; Noes, 30.
721| Division No. 167.] | AYES. | [10.58 p.m. |
| Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir Francis Dyke | Elmley, Viscount | Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) |
| Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel | Erskine-Bolst, Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) | McKie, John Hamilton |
| Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. | Essenhigh, Reginald Clare | Macmillan, Maurice Harold |
| Albery, Irving James | Fleming, Edward Lascelies | Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest |
| Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nhd.) | Foot, Dingle (Dundee) | Manningham-Butter, Lt.-Col. Sir M. |
| Anstruther-Gray, W. J. | Ford, Sir Patrick J. | Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. |
| Applin, Lieut.-Col. Reginald V. K. | Fox, Sir Gilford | Marsden, Commander Arthur |
| Aske, Sir Robert William | Fremantle, Sir Francis | Mason, Col. Glyn K. (Croydon, N.) |
| Bailey, Eric Alfred George | Fuller, Captain A. G. | Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John |
| Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Gluckstein, Louis Halle | Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) |
| Bateman, A. L. | Glyn, Major Sir Ralph G. C. | Mitcheson, G. G. |
| Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'th, C.) | Golf, Sir Park | Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres |
| Bernays, Robert | Goodman, Colonel Albert W. | Moreing, Adrian C. |
| Bilndell, James | Graves, Marjorle | Moss, Captain H. J. |
| Borodale, Viscount | Grenfell, E. C. (City of London) | Muirhead, Lieut.-Colonel A. J. |
| Bracken, Brendan | Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John | Munro, Patrick |
| Braithwaite, J. G. (Hillsborough) | Griffith, F. Kingsley (Middiesbro', W.) | Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. |
| Brass, Captain Sir William | Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. | Normand, Rt. Hon. Wilfrid |
| Broadbent, Colonel John | Guinness, Thomas L. E. B. | O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh |
| Brockiebank, C. E. R. | Hanbury, Cecil | Palmer, Francis Noel |
| Brown, Ernest (Leith) | Hanley, Dennis A. | Peake, Captain Osbert |
| Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie | Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) | Pearson, William G. |
| Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brmly) | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Peat, Charles U. |
| Campbell, Vice-Admiral G. (Burnley) | Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. | Penny, Sir George |
| Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm | Hills, Major Rt. Hon. John Waller | Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. |
| Caporn, Arthur Cecil | Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston) | Pybus, Sir Percy John |
| Chapman, Col. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | Hore-Belisha, Leslie | Bedford, E. A. |
| Colman, N. C. D. | Howitt, Dr. Alfred B. | Ralkes, Henry V. A. M. |
| Conant, R. J. E. | Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) | Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian) |
| Cook, Thomas A. | Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) | Ramsay T. B. W. (Western Isles) |
| Cooper, A. Duff | Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer | Ramsbotham, Herwald |
| Copeland, Ida | James, Wing-Corn. A. W. H. | Rea, Walter Russell |
| Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. | Ker, J. Campbell | Remer, John R. |
| Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry | Kerr, Hamilton W. | Renwick, Major Gustav A. |
| Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. | Law, Sir Alfred | Ropner, Colonel L. |
| Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) | Leighton, Major B. E. P. | Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge) |
| Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) | Lindsay, Noel Ker | Runge, Norah Cecil |
| Crossley, A. C. | Llewellin, Major John J. | Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy) |
| Cruddas, Lieut-Colonel Bernard | Loder, Captain J. de Vere | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) | Loftus, Pierce C. | Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart |
| Dickie, John P. | Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. | Selley, Harry R. |
| Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) | MacAndrew, Lieut.-Col. C. G. (Partick) | Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell) |
| Eden, Robert Anthony | McCorquodale, M. S. | Shaw, Captain William T. (Forfar) |
| Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey | MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) | Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D. |
| Elliston, Captain George Sampson | MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) | Somervell, Sir Donald |
| Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor) | Sutcliffe, Harold | Wells, Sydney Richard |
| Soper, Richard | Tate, Mavis Constance | Weymouth, Viscount |
| Speare, Brigadier-General Edward L. | Thomson, Sir Frederick Charles | Whiteside, Borras Noel H. |
| Spencer, Captain Richard A. | Thorp, Linton Theodore | Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay) |
| Spens, William Patrick | Titchfield, Major the Marquess of | Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.) |
| Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde) | Touche, Gordon Cosmo | Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir Arnold (Hertf'd) |
| Stevenson, James | Tufnell, Lieut.-Commander R. L. | Wilson, Clyde T. (West Toxteth) |
| Stewart, J. H. (Fife, E.) | Turton, Robert Hugh | Wise, Alfred R. |
| Stourton, Hon. John J. | Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey) | Womersley, Walter James |
| Strauss, Edward A. | Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull) | |
| Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) | Wardlaw-Milne, Sir John S. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart | Warrender, Sir Victor A. G. | Captain Sir George Bowyer and Dr. Morris-Jones. |
| NOES | ||
| Adams, D. M. (Poplar, South) | Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur | Milner, Major James |
| Attlee, Clement Richard | Grundy, Thomas W. | Paling, Wilfred |
| Batey Joseph | Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Parkinson, John Allen |
| Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Buchanan, George | Kirkwood, David | Smith, Tom (Normanton) |
| Cove, William G. | Lawson, John James | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Cripps, Sir Stafford | Logan, David Gilbert | Williams, Edward John (Ogmore) |
| Daggar, George | Lunn, William | Wilmot, John |
| Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) | McEntee, Valentine L. | |
| Dobbie, William | McGovern, John | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Edwards, Charles | Maxton, James | Mr. D. Graham and Mr. Groves. |
Question put, and agreed to.