HC Deb 23 May 1933 vol 278 cc1073-7

Considered in Committee under Standing Order No. 71A.

[Captain BOUENB in the Chair.]

Motion made, and Question put, That, for the purposes of any Act of the present Session to amend the enactments relating to the Metropolitan Police Force in regard to the number of assistant commissioners of police, the age of compulsory retirement, membership of the Police Federation, and the appointment of constables for a fixed period of service; to adapt to the case of constables so appointed the enactments relating to police pensions and gratuities, National Health Insurance, and Widows', Orphans', and Old Age Contributory Pensions; and for purposes connected with the matters aforesaid, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of moneys provided by Parliament of—

  1. (i) any additional expenses which the provisions of the said Act regulating the age of compulsory retirement may entail in respect of pensions to the commissioner and assistant commissioners of the Metropolitan Police Force so far as the cost thereof is payable out of moneys provided by Parliament; and
  2. (ii) any additional expense which the provisions of the said Act extending the National Health Insurance Act, 1924, and the Widows', Orphans', and Old Age Contributory Pensions Act, 1925, to persons employed as short service constables in the Metropolitan Police Force may entail—
    1. (a) in respect of benefits, and the administration of benefits, under the said Act of 1924, so far as the cost thereof is payable out of moneys provided by Parliament; and
    2. (b) in respect of old age pensions payable under the Old Age Pensions Acts, 1908 to 1924."—(King's Recommendation signified.) —[Sir J. Gilmour.]

The Committee divided: Ayes, 291; Noes, 57.

Division No. 189.] AYES. [11.30 p.m.
Acland-Troyta, Lieut.-Colonel Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Butt, Sir Alfred
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leads, W.) Bird, Ernest Roy (Yorks., Skipton) Calne, G. R. Hall-
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Borodale, Viscount Campbell, Edward Taswell (Bromley)
Ainsworth, Lieut.-Colonel Charles Bossom, A. C. Campbell, Vice-Admiral G. (Burnley)
Albery, Irving James Boulton, W. W. Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm
Alexander, Sir William Bower, Lieut.-Com. Robert Tatton Caporn, Arthur Cecil
Aske, Sir Robart William Boyce, H. Leslie Carver, Major William H.
Astbury, Lieut.Com. Frederick Wolfe Boyd-Carpenter, Sir Archibald Castlereagh, Viscount
Astor, Viscountess (Plymouth, Sutton) Braithwaite, Maj. A.N. (Yorks, E. R.) Castle Stewart, Earl
Bailey, Eric Alfred George Brass, Captain Sir William Cayzer, Sir Charles (Chester, City)
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Choriton, Alan Ernest Leofric
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Broadbent, Colonel John Christie, James Archibald
Balfour, Capt. Harold (I. of Thanet) Brocklebank, C. E. R. Clarry, Reginald George
Barrie, Sir Charles Coupar Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'ld., Hexham) Clayton, Dr. George C.
Barton, Capt. Basil Kelsey Brown, Ernest (Leith) Colfox, Major William Philip
Beaumont, M. W. (Bucks., Aylesbury) Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks., Newb'y) Colman, N. C. D.
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'th, C.) Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T. Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J.
Betterton, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry B. Burghley, Lord Conant, R. J. E.
Bevan, Stuart James (Holborn) Burnett, John George Cook, Thomas A.
Copeland, Ida Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Courtauid, Major John Sewell Inskip, Rt. Hon. sir Thomas W. H. Ramsbotham, Herwaid
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Jennings, Roland Rea, Walter Russell
Craddock, Sir Reginald Henry Jesson, Major Thomas E. Reed, Arthur C. (Exeter)
Craven-Ellis, William Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Reid, William Allan (Derby)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Ker, J. Campbell Remer, John R.
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Kerr, Hamilton W. Renwick, Major Gustav A.
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainsb'ro) Kimball, Lawrence Robinson, John Roland
Cruddas, Lieut.-Colonel Bernard Knox, Sir Alfred Ropner, Colonel L.
Dalkeith, Earl of Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Rosbotham, Sir Samuel
Davidson, Rt. Hon. J. C. C. Lambert, Rt. Hon. George Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset, Yeovil) Law, Sir Alfred Rothschild, James A. de
Dawson, Sir Philip Law, Richard K. (Hull, S. W.) Runge, Norah Cecil
Doran, Edward Leckie, J. A. Russell, Albert (Kirkcaldy)
Dower, Captain A. V. G. Leech, Dr. J. W. Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Duckworth, George A. V. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Rutherford, John (Edmonton)
Dugdale, Captain Thomas Lionel Lennox-Boyd, A. T. Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Duggan, Hubert John Liddall, Walter S. Salmon, Sir Isidore
Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Lindsay, Noel Ker Salt, Edward W.
Dunglass, Lord Lister, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Cunliffe- Samuel, Samuel (W'dsworth, Putney)
Eady, George H. Llewellin, Major John J. Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart
Edmondson, Major A. J. Locker-Lampson, Rt Hn. G.(Wd. Gr's) Savery, Samuel Servington
Ellis, Sir R. Geoffrey Lockwood, John C. (Hackney, C.) Shakespeare, Geoffrey H.
Elmley, Viscount Loder, Captain J. de Vere Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Emmott, Charles E. G. C. Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Shaw, Captain William T. (Fortar)
Emrye-Evans, P. V. Lumley, Captain Lawrence R. Shepperson, Sir Ernest W.
Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) Lyons, Abraham Montagu Shute, Colonel J. J.
Essenhigh, Reginald Clare Mabane, William Simmonds, Oliver Edwin
Foot, Dingle (Dundee) MacAndrew, Capt. J. O. (Ayr) Smiles, Lieut.-Col. Sir Walter D.
Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) McCorquodale, M. S. Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield, Haliam)
Fox, Sir Gilford MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Smith, R. W. (Ab'rd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Fraser, Captain Ian MacDonald, Maicolm (Bassetlaw) Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Fremantle, Sir Francis Macdonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Somervell, Donald Bradley
Fuller, Captain A. G. Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
Ganzoni, Sir John McEwen, Captain J. H. F. Soper, Richard
Gault, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton McKeag, William Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Gibson, Charles Granville McKie, John Hamilton Spears, Brigadier-General Edward L.
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Spender-Clay, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.
Gledhill, Gilbert Macmillan, Maurice Harold Spens, William Patrick
Gluckstein, Louis Halle Makins, Brigadier-General Ernest Stanley, Lord (Lancaster, Fylde)
Glyn, Major Raiph G. C. Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westmorland)
Goff Sir Park Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Stevenson, James
Goldie, Noel B. Mason, Col. Glyn K. (Croydon, N.) Stones, James
Goodman, Colonel Albert W. Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Storey, Samuel
Gower, Sir Robert Merriman, Sir F. Boyd Strauss, Edward A.
Graham, Sir F. Fergus (C'mb'rl'd, N.) Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Strickland, Captain W. F.
Graves, Marjorie Milne, Charles Stuart, Lord C. Crichton.
Grenfell, E. C. (City of London) Mitchell, Harold P.(Br'tf'd & Chisw'k) Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F.
Grimston, R. V. Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart.
Gritten, W. G. Howard Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr) Sutcliffe, Harold.
Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon F. E. Moreing, Adrian C Tate, Mavis Constance
Guinness, Thomas L. E. B. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Thomas, James P. L. (Hereford)
Gunston, Captain D. W. Moss, Captain H. J. Thompson, Luke
Guy, J. C. Morrison Munro, Patrick Thomson, Sir Frederick Charles
Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Nail, Sir Joseph Thorp, Linton Theodore
Hales, Harold K. Nail-Cain, Hon. Ronald Train, John
Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Hamilton, Sir R. W.(Orkney & Ztl'nd) Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Turton, Robert Hugh
Hanley, Dennis A. North, Edward T. Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Nunn, William Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Harbord, Arthur O'Donovan, Dr. William James Wallace, John (DunferMilne)
Hartington, Marquess of Oman, Sir Charles William C. Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wallsend)
Hartland, George A. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William G. A. Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) Palmer, Francis Noel Warrender. Sir Victor A. G.
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Patrick, Colin M. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Peake, Captain Osbert Wedderburn, Henry James Scrymgeour.
Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) Pearson, William G. Wells, Sydney Richard
Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Peat, Charles U. White, Henry Graham
Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. Penny, Sir George Whyte, Jardine Bell
Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsford) Percy, Lord Eustace Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Heneage, Lieut-Colonel Arthur P. Perkins, Walter R. D. Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Herbert, Capt. S. (Abbey Division) Peto, Geoffrey K. (W'verh'pt'n, Bliston) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel Georgs
Hope, Capt. Hon. A. O. J. (Aston) Pickford, Hon. Mary Ada Wise, Alfred R.
Hope, Sydney (Chester, Stalybridge) Potter, John Womersley, Walter James
Hornby, Frank Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Horsbrugh, Florence PowNail, Sir Assheton Worthington, Dr. John V.
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Procter, Major Henry Adam
Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) Pybus, Percy John TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Hunter, Dr. Joseph (Dumfries) Raikes, Henry V. A. M. Lieut.-Colonel Sir A. Lambert Ward and Mr. Blindell.
NOES.
Attlee, Clement Richard Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Cape, Thomas
Banfield, John William Brown, C. W. E. (Notts., Mansfield) Cocks, Frederick Seymour
Batey, Joseph Buchanan, George Cove, William G.
Daggar, George Holdsworth, Herbert Milner, Majar James
Davies, David L. (Pontypridd) Janner, Barnett Nathan, Major H, L.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Jenkins, Sir William Owen, Major Goronwy
Dobble, William Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Parkinson, John Alien
Edwards, Charles Jones, J. J. (West Ham, Silvertown) Price, Gabriel
Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univ.) Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
Evans, R. T. (Carmarthen) Kirkwood, David Smith, Tom (Normanton)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Thorne, William James
George, Megan A. Lloyd (Anglesea) Lawson, John James Tinker, John Joseph
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. Arthur Logan, David Gilbert Wallhead, Richard C.
Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Lunn, William Williams, David (Swansea, East)
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Williams, Edward John (Ogmore)
Grundy, Thomas W. McEntee, Valentine L. Williams, Dr. John H. (Llanelly)
Hall, George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) McGovern, John Williams. Thomas (York. Don Valley)
Harris, Sir Percy Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Hicks, Ernest George Mainwaring, William Henry TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hirst, George Henry Maxton, James Mr. John and Mr. Groves.

Resolution to be reported To-morrow.