HC Deb 12 December 1933 vol 284 cc203-9
Mr. ATTLEE

May I ask the Prime Minister what business will be taken on Thursday and also how far it is intended to go to-night in the event of the Motion for the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule being carried?

The PRIME MINISTER

With regard to the business for to-day, if the Motion for the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule is carried we want the Second Reading of the Newfoundland Bill; the Committee stage, and if possible the remaining stages, of the Agricultural Marketing Bill. The Motion to approve the Potato Marketing Scheme, which it is proposed to take, is exempted business.

With reference to Thursday, we propose to take the concluding stages of the Agricultural Marketing Bill, unless we can dispose of that Bill to-day; the Committee stage of the Newfoundland Bill; the Committee stage of the amended Money Resolution relating to the Unemployment Bill, which it is hoped will not entail a long Debate in view of the full discussion that took place yesterday on a similar Resolution. We shall also take into consideration the Motions to approve the Potato Marketing Scheme, unless already passed, and the Hops Marketing Scheme; and, if there is time, other Orders on the Paper will be taken.

Mr. ATTLEE

I hope the right hon. Gentleman will not keep the House until the small hours of the morning to get all these Orders through?

The PRIME MINISTER

No. not unreasonably. But at this time of the Session the business must be put on so that every minute that the House sits may be used.

Mr. MAXTON

If this habit of suspending the Eleven o'Clock Rule is to become a daily custom, would it not be better to alter the Standing Order and make the closing hour of the House a later time than eleven o'clock? May I ask if the revised form of the Money Resolution of the Unemployment Bill is now available to hon. Members? [HON. MEMBERS: "It is on the Order Paper to-day !"] Since that is so, why does the right hon. Gentleman assume that the Debate on it will be any shorter than the Debate which took place yesterday?

The PRIME MINISTER

As regards the last part of the hon. Member's Supplementary Question, he may have carefully observed that I said, "It is hoped." Until it is found to be impossible, I shall continue to hope. With regard to the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule, it is a common practice at certain parts of the Session, and it is unnecessary to change the Standing Order as to hours in order to accommodate the last fortnight's business of a part of the Session.

Mr. MAXTON

Will it ever be possible to put down the consideration of these marketing schemes at an earlier hour? They are always the last item of business, and therefore they do not get the discussion that they rightly deserve. Would it be possible in the arrangement of business to put one of the stages of these marketing schemes for consideration at an early hour, when reasonable discussion would be possible? I am referring particularly to the Potato Marketing Scheme and the Hops Marketing Scheme.

Mr. T. WILLIAMS

May I supplement the suggestion of the hon. Member in regard to the Potato Marketing Scheme, which might very well be brought on next Thursday prior to the Money Resolution of the Unemployment Bill? An intimation has already been made from the Scottish producers that they are in opposition to this scheme. While I appreciate that these marketing schemes are exempted business and can be taken subsequently to 11 p.m., if there is to be constructive opposition to the scheme, perhaps the right hon. Gentleman might consider bringing it up earlier in the day.

The PRIME MINISTER

I am perfectly certain that if there is any desire in any part of the House that the Potato Marketing Scheme should be brought on reasonably early, the business before it need not be prolonged in its consideration.

Mr. MAXTON

No. that will not do.

Mr. CHARLES WILLIAMS

Has the right hon. Gentleman ever considered suspending one or two of the minor oppositions?

Colonel GRETTON

Will the Prime Minister agree not to take the Potato Marketing Scheme or the Hops Scheme at a late hour? These matters are of importance to large sections of the community, and I urge that they should not be brought on at a very late hour, when they cannot be properly debated.

The PRIME MINISTER

I think the best thing is to wait and see how we get along. I am sure that with some cooperation the whole of this programme can be got through.

Colonel GRETTON

I would remind the Prime Minister that people like myself, and others for whom I speak, are not responsible for the prolonged Debates on other matters.

Mr. LUNN

Might not the Newfoundland Bill be adjourned until next week?

The PRIME MINISTER

I am sorry to say that that is impossible. The Bill must be through Parliament and become law before we adjourn for the Christmas, Recess.

Mr. LUNN

Could it be adjourned until next Monday?

The PRIME MINISTER

That is impossible.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 254; Noes, 48.

Division No. 19.] AYES. [3.39 p.m.
Adams, Samuel Vyvyan T. (Leeds, w.) Bossom, A. C. Campbell-Johnston, Malcolm
Agnew, Lieut.-Com. P. G. Boulton, W. W. Carver, Major William H.
Albery, Irving James Bower, Lieut. Com. Robert Tatton Castlereagh, Viscount
Allen. Lt. Col. J. Sandeman (B'k'nhd.) Bowyer, Capt. Sir George E. W. Cautley, Sir Henry S.
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Briscoe, Capt. Richard George Caza.et, Thelma (Islington, E.)
Aske, Sir Robert William Broadbent, Colonel John Chamberlain. Rt. Hon.Sir J. A. (Birm.,W)
Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) Brocklebank, C. E. R. Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Edgbaston)
Baillie, Sir Adrian W. M. Brown, Col. O. C. (N'th'I'd., Hexham) Christie, James Archibald
Beauchamp, Sir Brograve Campbell Brown, Ernest (Leith) Clayton, Sir Christopher
Beaumont, M. W. (Bucks., Aylesbury) Browne, Captain A. C. Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D.
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'th, C.) Buchan-Hepburn. P. G. T Collins, Rt. Hon. Sir Godfrey
Beit, Sir Alfred L. Burgin, Dr. Edward Leslie Colman, N. C. D.
Benn, Sir Arthur Shirley Burnett, John George Colville, Lieut.-Colonel J.
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Cadogan, Hon. Edward Cook, Thomas A.
Blindell, James Calne. G. R. Hall. Cooke, Dnuglas
Borodale, Viscount Campbell, Sir Edward Taswell (Brmly) Cooper, A. Duff
Copeland, Ida Hunter, Capt. M. J. (Brigg) Reid, James S. C. (Stirling)
Courthope, Colonel Sir George L. Hurd, Sir Percy Reid, William Allan (Derby)
Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Rhys, Hon. Charles Arthur U.
Crooke, J. Smedley James, Wing.-Com. A. W. H. Rickards, George William
Crookshank, Col. C. de Windt (Bootle) Jamieson, Douglas Ropner, Colonel L.
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. (Gainb'ro) Jesson, Major Thomas E. Rosbotham, Sir Thomas
Culverwell, Cyril Tom Jones, Lewis (Swansea, West) Ross Taylor, Walter (Woodbridge)
Dalkeith, Earl of Ker, J. Campbell Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Kerr, Hamilton W. Russsell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Davison, Sir William Henry Knight, Holford Russell, Hamer Field (Sheffield, B'tside)
Denville, Alfred Knox, Sir Alfred Rutherford, Sir John Hugo (Liverp'l)
Dickie, John P. Lamb, Sir Joseph Quinton Salmon, Sir Isidore
Donner, P. W. Law, Richard K. (Hull, S. W.) Salt, Edward W.
Doran, Edward Levy, Thomas Samuel, Sir Arthur Michael (F'nham)
Dower, Captain A. V. G. Lindsay, Kenneth Martin (Kilm'rnock) Sandeman, Sir A. N. Stewart
Drewe, Cedric Lloyd, Geoffrey Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Duckworth. George A. V. Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hn. G. (Wd. Gr'n) Scone, Lord
Dug dale, Captain Thomas Lionel Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (H'ndsw'th) Shaw, Helen B. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Duggan, Hubert John Lockwood, John C. (Hackney, C.) Shepperson, Sir Ernest W,
Duncan, James A. L. (Kensington, N.) Lovat-Fraser, James Alexander Simmonds, Oliver Edwin
Eden, Robert Anthony MacDonald, Rt. Hn. J. R. (Seaham) Skelton, Archibald Noel
Elliston. Captain George Sampson MacDonald, Malcolm (Bassetlaw) Smith, Sir J. Walker- (Barrow-in-F.)
Elmley, Viscount Macdonald, Capt. p. D. (I. of W.) Smith, Louis W. (Sheffield. Hallam)
Emmott, Charles E. G. C. McEwen, Captain J. H. F. Smith, R. W. (Ab'rd'n A Kinc'dine, C.)
Entwistle, Cyril Fullard Mckie John Hamilton Smithers, Waldron
Erskine, Lord (Weston-super-Mare) McLean, Major Sir Alan Somerville, Annesley A. (Windsor)
Erskine-Bolst. Capt. C. C. (Blackpool) McLean, Dr. W. H. (Tradeston) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Falle, Sir Bertram G. Macpherson, Rt. Hon. Sir Ian Soper, Richard
Fermoy, Lord Magnay, Thomas Southby, Commander Archibald R. J.
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Maitland, Adam Stevenson, James
Fleming, Edward Lascelles Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Stewart, J. H. (File, E.)
Fox, sir Gifford Mayhew, Lieut.-Colonel John Stones. James
Fraser, Captain Ian Mills, Sir Frederick (Leyton, E.) Stourton, Hon. John J.
Fuller, Captain A. G. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest) Strauss, Edward A.
Galbraith, James Francis Wallace Milne, Charles Strickland, Captain W. F.
Ganzoni, Sir John Mitchell, Harold P. (Br'tf'd & Chisw'k) Stuart, Lord C. Crichton.
Gauit, Lieut.-Col. A. Hamilton Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray F.
Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Molson, A. Hugh Elsdale Sugden, Sir Wilfrid Hart
Gluckstein, Louis Halle Monsell, Rt. Hon. Sir B. Eyres Summersby. Charles H.
Goff, Sir Park Moore, Lt.-Col. Thomas C. R. (Ayr) Taylor, Vice-Admiral E. A. (P'dd'gt'n. S.)
Goldie, Noel B. Morgan, Robert H. Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Goodman, Colonel Albert W. Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Thomas. James P. L. (Hereford)
Grattan-Doyle, Sir Nicholas Nail. Sir Joseph Thompson, Luke
Graves, Marjorle Nation, Brigadier-General J. J. H. Todd, A. L. S. (Kingswinford)
Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Nicholson, Godfrey (Morpeth) Touche, Gordon Cosmo
Grimston, R. V. Nicholson, Rt. Hn. W. G. (Petersef'ld) Train, John
Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. North, Edward T. Wallace, Captain D. E. (Hornsey)
Guy, J. C. Morrison Oman, Sir Charles William C. Ward, Lt.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Hall, Capt. W. D'Arcy (Brecon) O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh Ward, Irene Mary Bewick (Wailsend)
Hamilton. Sir George (Ilford) Ormsby-Gore. Rt. Hon. William G. A. Ward, Sarah Adelaide (Cannock)
Hanbury, Cecil Palmer, Francis Noel Warrender, Sir Victor A. G.
Hanley, Dennis A. Patrick, Colin M. Watt, Captain George Steven H.
Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Pearson, William G. Weymouth. Viscount
Harbord, Arthur Peat, Charles U, Whyte, Jardine Bell
Hartland, George A. Perkins. Walter R. D. Williams, Charles (Devon, Torquay)
Harvey, George (Lambeth, Kenningt'n) Petherick, M. Williams, Herbert G. (Croydon, S.)
Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Peto, Geoffrey K. (W'verh'pt'n, Bilston) Wills, Wilfrid D.
Haslam, Sir John (Bolton) Pickford, Hon. Mary Ada Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir Arnold (Hertf'd)
Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Cuthbert M. Pike. Cecil F. Wilson. Clyde T. (West Toxteth)
Henderson, Sir Vivian L. (Chelmsf'd) Potter, John Winterton. Rt. Hon. Earl
Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Powell, Lieut.-Col. Evelyn G. H. Wise, Alfred R.
Hepworth, Joseph Pownall, Sir Assheton Wolmer, Rt. Hon, Viscount
Hope, Sydney (Chester, Stalybridge) Procter, Major Henry Adam Womersley, Walter James
Hore-Belisha, Leslie Pybus, Percy John Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir H. Kingsley
Hornby, Frank Ramsay, Capt. A. H. M. (Midlothian)
Horsbrugh, Florence Ramsay, T. B. W. (Western Isles) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Howitt. Dr. Alfred B. Ramsden, Sir Eugene Sir Frederick Thomson and Sir George Fenny.
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Rawson, Sir Cooper
Hudson, Robert Spear (Southport) Reid, Capt. A. Cunningham-
NOES.
Attlee, Clement Richard Grenfell, David Rees (Glamorgan) Lunn. William
Banfield, John William Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) McEntee, Valentine L.
Batey, Joseph Grundy, Thomas W. Maclean. Nell (Glasgow, Govan)
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Hall. George H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Mainwaring, William Henry
Buchanan. George Hamilton, Sir R. W. (Orkney & 2etl'nd) Mallalieu, Edward Lancelot
Cove, William G. Hicks. Ernest George Mander, Geoffrey le M.
Cripps, Sir Stafford Janner, Barnett Mason, David M. (Edinburgh, E.)
Daggar, George Jenkins. Sir William Maxton, James.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) John. William Owen. Major Goronwy
Dobbie, William Jones, Mergan (Caerphilly) Parkinson. John Allen
Edwards, Charles Kirkwood, David Rea. Walter Russell
Foot, Isaac (Cornwall, Bodmin) Leonard, William Roberts, Aled (Wrexham)
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Logan, David Gilbert Salter, Dr. Alfred
Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen) White, Henry Graham Wood, Sir Murdoch McKenzie (Banff)
Smith, Tom (Normanton) Williams, Or. John H. (Llanelly)
Thorns, William James Williams, Thomas (York, Don Valley) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Tinker, John Joseph Wilmot, John Mr. Groves and Mr. C. Macdonald.